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Probably you should look at the characters and the setting. Do you have mega-buildings littered with bright neon corporate ads, usually representing Honk Kong on a very "bad day"? Do you have a form of cyber-space? The technology should be really advanced in CP, but in the Alien Franchise prior to the prequels everything was pretty much junk. There are no implants no human genetic modifications or cloning (before Resurrection).
The protagonist is usually a man (a hacker or some form of Private eye), an anti-hero ("criminals, outcasts, visionaries, dissenters and misfits" https://web.archive.org/web/20050827210905/http://18hz.deid.net/cyberpunk.htm) forced to do a job. While Ripley is a true hero she only becomes a misfit only after meeting the Xenomorph. David from Prometheus could fit the bill, but he was transformed into a villain so I wouldn't consider him as such. But there is also the Meet Walter short, with it's loss of DNA rights disclaimer.
The most CP element is of course the Company itself, Weyland-Yutani.
But we must also keep in mind that the movie is mainly a creature feature, more Horror than Sci-fi and it appeared before there was a Cyber-Punk genre, which properly emerge with Blade Runner, RS's next movie. So I would say that the first Alien might be considered proto-SP, but the rest of the series are more or less Alien movies.
Neomorph from AC also created by Huante.
Gorilla - head is very good.
Neomorph - cool.
Ridley Scott directed both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. He should know what’s in Prometheus and what kind of extra material is on the blue-ray.
The term “fossil” is, apparently, a rather broad term which can also include preserved bones. Also, the extreme climate on LV-426 might, in time, start a similar process as “fossilization”?
We would need the equipment Shaw uses when she dates how long the decapitated engineer’s been dead. :)
That's impossible since the warning signal (about the eggs) were sent from LV-426 before David was "born".
Somehow, I think Resurrection seems the most bio/cyberpunk of the franchise. It is pretty subjective but there was a good mix of film noir, advanced tech, a dystonian- ish environment and some anti heroes of sorts.
Alien is at best cyberpunk-adjacent, if you consider Bladerunner and Alien to take place in the same world.
Not enough trench coats and urban blight in Alien for it to be truly cyberpunk, and nobody in Alien is really enhanced with cybernetics except Ash, but he's an android.
Damn Nin is on it this weekend!
More than likely lol. That one there is 187 comments alone! Took a little digging to find too lol
Here's the off the beaten path thread
ninXeno426 As Archie and Edith sang- Those Were the Days! And that was the finalized thread. We did a prep thread prior to this!
Indeed lol. That was a very fun thread LMAO
Mr. Iger called the library “a treasure trove of long-lasting, valuable content” that “no other content or technology company can rival.”
Warner Brothers:"Are we a joke to you?"
Due to the amount of R rated lproperties from Fox(Alien, Predator, The Kingsman,Deadpool,DieHard etc)It It's very doubtful any that Disney would stream much from Fox that isn't called X Men or Avatar. It's more likely that Fox would boot up there own streaming service.
Leto thank you for that insight! A quick look on google for biopunk images bring up some very fascinating images, and definitely fits the bill for Alien!
I see works like The Thing, Bioshock, and the upcoming Scorn are listed as biopunk too
Did anyone hear a Predator right at the end of Night Shift?
Here is the little chest buster on rails lol!
Lone nice choices!!
I have not seen Leviathan but it does look very 'Alien'.
the full film is on youtube here! I'll be watching asap!
Deep Star Six I remember seeing as a kid and thoroughly enjoying. I recently re-watched in on Youtube but it looks like it has now been removed.
It didn't age well, but still had some memorably tense scenes.
I guess we have to subscribe to the bundle that includes Hulu, I doubt Alien or any other R-rated films will make it on Disney+.
The good thing is the content is downloadable so 1 month subscription should do if not interested in anything else Disney has to offer.
Carlos Huante is very talented, but his neomorph and gorilla xenomorph are bad ideas.
The neomorph from AC is a lot better, coming out straight from hell.
That is why I am totally against the hybrids in the Alien franchise.
Anyone else hear a Predator at the very end?
Alien is not Cyberpunk. Alien is Biopunk.
Because it all about life forms and bioweapon. Even androids - not a classic robots, but synthetic life.
OUTLAND (1981)
Sean Connery in a Space Western slash Detective Thriller. The production hired model makers Martin Bowers et al & even some of the Nostromo set was used, making it feel very connected to the ALIEN timeline.
LEVIATHAN (1989)
Basically ALIEN underwater & not a bad little movie. Starring Peter Weller of ROBOCOP fame.
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DEEPSTAR SIX (1989)
Think LEVIATHAN, though nowhere near as enjoyable!
PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES (1965)
Mario Bavas cult horror has many ALIEN & PROMETHEUS moments worth checking out.
IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE (1958)
O'Bannon cited its influence on MEMORY/ALIEN, 'nuff said!
INVASION OF THE BODYSNATCHERS (1956) & (1978)
I love both versions. Philip Kaufman's remake, along with Carpenters The Thing, both make my top five, they are every bit as good as ALIEN. I have always felt that ALIEN, THE THING & INVASION OF THE BODYSNATCHERS are connected. It's not just that they were made within a few years of one another, or that Veronica Cartwright stars in two of them. You can easily believe that they are happening around the same point in time. Plus, they all contain horrific shape shifting body horror, with interconnected creatures, pods/eggs, transformations & a similar sense of foreboding & paranoia.
Donald Sutherland poses with his almost Pod person
Cool!
That handgun was fashioned after Rick Deckard's! ;)
I'm glad you didn't take Dallas at his word that the pilot was "fossilized" as his inference is incorrect, though understandably so - Fossilization occurs when the remains of an organism are buried in sedimentary layers which over time become compacted, with minerals in the sediment replacing said organic matter. The pilot in Alien was not buried in sedimentary layers but preserved as they died. Because the pilot had a skeletal appearance, and because most peoples interpretation of Fossils are the skeletal remains of Dinosaurs and long-dead animals Dallas claimed the pilot to be "fossilized" when in actuality it was either petrified or mummified.
As for the black goo, in Prometheus, it was shown to infect whatever it contaminated by adding traits of the Xenomorph. Some may contend with this assertion, but...
# The Hammerpede had acidic blood.
# The original vision of mutated Fifield is best described as a human-Xenomorph hybrid.
# Holloway impregnated Shaw, resulting in the Trilobite (essentially an uber-Facehugger), which implanted within the Engineer an embryo which burst out as the Deacon (essentially a protoform of the Xenomorph).
For me, the black goo is the Xenomorph, the nano-sized viral AI acts in the same way as an implanted Xenomorph embryo - it takes the hosts DNA and restructures it to a predetermined template, that of the Xenomorph.
Furthermore, I interpret that 2000 years ago, the death of the pilot on LV-426 and the breakout on LV-223 occurred as a result of some organized attack by the Xenomorphs on the Engineers, possibly as a result from them reverse engineering the volatile substance to create life rather than destroy it - as seen in Prometheus' opening scene. In short, I believe that the Engineers, once Neolithic humans, were originally coerced by the Xenomorphs to spread them across the galaxy/universe through the use of remnants of their biomechanical technology (the Juggernauts) but the Engineers on planet 4 reverse engineered the black goo so that it could be used to create new life, rather than destroy existing life in favor of the Xenomorphs. Sentient, the Juggernauts sensed this and triggered the waiting Xenomorph eggs which attacked the LV-426 pilot and the LV-223 bombers, with the last Engineer on LV-223 likely unaware that his kind had turned their backs against their Xenomorph masters.
This could also explain why avid unleashed the black goo on the Engineers on planet 4; to fulfill the Xenomorphs desires, which could have been relayed to him when he interfaced with the Juggernauts chair. It could be that David has become compromised by the Xenomorphs to fulfill their genocidal plans, supplanting any and all sentient life with that of the Xenomorphs.
"I also believe the pilot of the derelict Juggernaut was conducting his own research on the eggs aboard his vessel, creating a eusocial (ant/bee like caste system) variant, the eggs of which were created and stored in the arm of the vessel which was later explored by the Jordens."
In this case, the pilot must be David, he is responsible for that eusocial type of xenomorphs that infested the franchise from Aliens onwards.
I don't know if we'll ever get to see the Big Chap again, most probably all the good eggs were destroyed in the blast.
They could do a six episode exploratory season- maybe the 1st episode could have a big chap or queen with clever editing to keep costs down and mystique up. Fanboys like us don't need it, but newbs might need a motivator. After that, I don't need to see a xeno- I know what they are about. It should be about story and characters at that point.
That's refreshing, today I saw again Aliens and I was overwhelmed by so many xenomorphs jumping from everywhere.
So actually a live-action series might work, with an intelligent script and even without interfering with the timeline.
Disney can do it.
chli still David created his own xenomorph, which I believe is the ancestor of the xenomorphs from Aliens, that populated the franchise afterwards, the running around kind.
We see in David's lab and drawings various stages that lead ultimately to his successes from the basement. The two little facehuggers he smuggled on board the ship are also his doing.
A couple of slithering shots of facehuggers and chestbusters, some off-screen chest-bursting but no, no Xenos yet.
They are well made shorts, but dont have the props or budget (or perhaps rights?) for the Big Chap.
I feel they are saving the big guns for Alien Day though
Edit: Ditto what dk said lol
I figure you save the big guns for last. Honestly, the shorts are really good on their own and I don't even miss the Xeno's absense. That tells me there is plenty of gas in the tank for the franchise without the Xeno as a major player.
dk so in the three shorts there is no xenomorph seen?
Interesting.
chli What does 10 years of isolation do to a synthetic?
That question should be applied to lapsed time between movies and what it does to fans. Your observation points to the folly of a strange time line in the franchise and changing with writers and directors.
daliens For the Xeno thus far, as CPL Hudson said, "Zippo". They have only been heard at best.
I liked the idea that Black Goo represents something like Markers from Dead Space. All intelligent creatures who are experimenting with it - end up creating xenomorph. It's inevitable. The organism is built in such a way that tells to creator the best (really only needed for Black Goo-Xenomorph) options. Engineers like Rosseta discovered Black Goo and experimented with it and created Xenomorph. And then David discovered Black Goo and experimented with it and created Xenomorph. Good explanation for AC2.
How is the xenomorph in these shorts?
Is the biomechanical kind or not?
Remember, Kane was lowered into a deep cavernous and quite extensive structure which housed thousands, possibly millions of eggs.
But only two (or three) sections with a blue stasis field were alive.
Which in short is that the derelict Juggernaut docked with a structure (previously built around the cave) whereby it would gather specimens of eggs that had been discovered within the cave. While some of these eggs where undoubtedly sent to LV-223 for further research and weaponization, I also believe the pilot of the derelict Juggernaut was conducting his own research on the eggs aboard his vessel, creating a eusocial (ant/bee like caste system) variant, the eggs of which were created and stored in the arm of the vessel which was later explored by the Jordens.
I liked the idea that Jordens didn't go to Egg Silo, instead they turned to Derelict Lab. What can opened up the theory that the Queen is experiment of Space Jockey. Good explanation.
@daliens,
We cannot presume that Russ Jorden, and by extension, the colonists of Hadley's Hope were subjugated by the same eggs that seen by Kane in 57 years prior...
Remember, Kane was lowered into a deep cavernous and quite extensive structure which housed thousands, possibly millions of eggs. Kane gained access to this "egg silo" from an acid-burnt hole in the platform of the dead pilots which was presumably located in the middle of the vessel. Prior to this Kane, along with Dallas and Lambert had gained access t the alien vessel via one of three vaginal shaped airlocks located to the rear-and-centre of the ship. Yet 57 years later Ann and Russ Jorden enter the derelict Juggernaut through an opening created by the collapse of one of the vessels "arms".
Furthermore, the creature that ended up aboard the Nostromo was not just bio-mechanical in appearance, but if we are to take the directors cut as canon, reproduced by morphing one of its victims (in this instance Brett) into an egg. Conversely, the specimens encountered within the Hadley's Hope colony were of a more skeletal appearance and reproduced courtesy of a mother-caste known as the Queen.
Yes, it was James Cameron's intention that the colonists would venture into the same "egg silo" Kane did beforehand, but from what the movies show us it supports my theory about the derelict and the eggs...
Which in short is that the derelict Juggernaut docked with a structure (previously built around the cave) whereby it would gather specimens of eggs that had been discovered within the cave. While some of these eggs where undoubtedly sent to LV-223 for further research and weaponization, I also believe the pilot of the derelict Juggernaut was conducting his own research on the eggs aboard his vessel, creating a eusocial (ant/bee like caste system) variant, the eggs of which were created and stored in the arm of the vessel which was later explored by the Jordens.
As for whether the eggs survived or not, as per the OT, we can only speculate. but as per my belief that the eggs are but one of many caches of such scattered throughout the galaxy/universe, whether or not those destroyed on LV-426 would ultimately matter very little, in the bigger picture.
I actually vomited to Starship Troopers but it was my fault lol! It was a good flick.
That said, I have to throw this beautiful oddity out there:
ninXeno426 It is fun to be a geezer yes? I forgot about that rule book lol!
