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I agree with Emma Watts on this one. Yes, serialized/streamed content allows greater character development but the harsh truth is that some franchises are better suited for the small screen, others for the big screen.

Take X-Files. It worked brilliantly as a weekly serial, not so much when brought to the big screen. And while I would love a true Ghostbusters 3, I think the franchise would be better suited for the small screen, essentially as a live-action reimagining of The Real Ghostbusters, but with a new team.

Of course, there is the spin-off route whereby we could have small screen shows that don't feature the alien but instead focus on Weyland-Yutani or the Colonial Marines. While these shows would undoubtedly flesh out the aforementioned elements of the franchise, there would be a desire by executives to at least reference the alien, which in turn would cheapen and lesser the character.

Alien works best on the big screen, it is just that Fox (and now Disney) need to figure out how they want the alien to remain relevant to both modern audiences and fans. To do this the creature needs to evolve and adapt and become a greater threat without being weighed down with overly bloated concepts such as creationism and pre-visitation.

Considering David Giler's past and uncharacteristic silence around Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, it would not surprise me if he was implicit in the new narrative direction of having the Xenomorph being a human (via David; named after Giler) creation.

Giler's past interference, in summary...

With Alien Giler claimed he rewrote Dan O'Bannon's, script when all he did was ad Ash, change the character names and, as mentioned above remove the alien from Alien. Although he was able to claim ownership of the script he was successful in acquiring the production rights to the script and its characters. He then tried to keep O'Bannon off the movies set, despite that in addition to the script O'Bannon was key in bringing onboard Ron Cobb, Jean Giraud, Chris Foss, and H. R. Giger, as well as being key in the finished puppet used for the Facehugger. Rumors also suggest that Giler attempted rewrites to the script during production, infuriating Ridley Scott and the cast, and enraging O'Bannon.

With Aliens James Cameron wrote and directed the movie, filming it in London, England. Giler accepted Cameron's script before approaching either Fox, whereas O'Bannon was rumored to have never been told of Cameron's script until the movie was in production. The relaxed British work ethic and Giler's attempts to "amend" the script ignited Camerons' infamous short fuse creating much tension between Cameron and Giler.

With Alien 3 Giler wrote a script which was rejected by Fox. Giler then approached a plethora of writers and directors, in turn rejecting each of their ideas until Fox demanded production begin. With the release date fast approaching Giler essentially merged all of the script ideas he had rejected together and hired David Fincher to direct the movie. Fincher was then pushed to breaking point with constant rewrites by Giler, a dwindling budget and the pressure of following Alien and Aliens. Inevitably Giler's incompetence drove Fincher to abandon, and later disown the movie.

With Alien: Resurrection Joss Whedon wrote a script centered around Newt, but was forced to rewrite it when Giler thought it prudent for Sigourney Weaver to return as Ripley. Whedon has repeatedly stated he hated the rewrite and preferred his original concept. After the movies release and the mixed response it garnered from fans Giler distanced himself from the movie claimed the first three movies where "our" movies and that Resurrection was the studios' movie.

With the AvP movies Giler mostly remained quiet, but after AvP: Requiem's negative reviews he claimed he had nothing to do with the movies. However, being the owner of the production rights AvP and AvP: Requiem could not have been made without Giler (and Gordon Carroll and Walter Hill) allowing Fox the use of the Alien character.

Interesting! That’s probably why they can’t make up their minds. :) On the one hand, we have the mutagen, created aeons ago. We have the mural of a xenomorph creature, and we have the deacon. On the other hand, we have David . . .

Well thats a interesting FIND!

I think this explains the Origins of ASH the Synthetic, and when Ridley Scott chose to do O'Banon's idea, it seems that they had taken some elements from Hill and Giler's idea certainly by adding ASH and the Companies Motives.

Could Ridley Scott had looked back at this other draft and taken some of its ideas to present us with the David Creator Angle?   Or did Walter Hill and David Giler have some input of ideas on HOW to change the direction and discussed these with Ridley Scott?

Seems quite Plausible to me. (The OT that is).

I think a Colonial Marines TV Series could work...

Just if Fans would accept that maybe it does-not have to be about Bug Hunts, well Xenomorphs!   The Colonial Marines have surely done more than just KILLING those Aliens and getting Killed in Return in ALIEN.

You have to look at other Reasons for such a Military Contingent, and remember the Xenomorph was just ANOTHER Bug Hunt... so they have been involved in tackling other Alien Pests.. that are Unrelated to Xenomorphs.

Rogue/Awol Synthetics have been shown in the Franchise, so the Colonial Marines could be shown to deal with such a Threat in another Episode.  

You could follow a Team of Colonial Marines from Training EP1-3 to then some Missions with various threats.. of the Synthetic Kind, Human Kind and Alien Pest Kind... even have a Episode showing some Down Time in-between Missions, where we could see what was all the Fuss about those Arcturian Poontang

The Final Episode could be to deal with something thats related from events of the ALIEN Franchise/Prequels.. be that Black Goo Related, or Xenomorph Egg Related.  This would be the Climax Episode or TWO

A Hadleys Hope TV Series i think would be limited, because its would Fans be interested in the Day to Day Life of the Colonist... they would have to be some Action, Thriller and Conspiracy.  I think it COULD work if its a Short Series.

So say 4 x 45 Minutes or 2 X 90 or 3 x Hour for example.. or maybe more but i think you would only need 4 hours to cover such a TV Series... which has to end with the First Outbreak of Xenomorphs.

I think a Prometheus Series would depend upon WHAT aspect to we follow from this? Events leading to the Mission, Events after the Loss of the Mission?

Engineers, but in the Past! This could get a bit Star Gate though!

We could consider a CAPRICA/BATTLE STAR GALACTICA

By that the Galaxy is Large... and can we assume that Earth is the only place where Humans are, in context to other Worlds the Engineers have Human Colonies and Interact.

So we could go to another Place in the Galaxy with Humans or very similar, and while yes to start with we can have them use a Alien/Ancient Dialect with Subtitles, then have them speaking English so we get the idea they dont speak English but its just for our Convenience.

You could explore in Flash Backs the Engineers reasons for Creation, and even indicate times they visited Earth, and maybe reasons we was abandoned?

Our Creation seemed to be something of importance and a lot of Effort, and it was indicated our Engineers are never just about Create Mankind and Create Xenomorphs.  We all remember the Space Jesus... well that the Engineers had tried to send a Emissary to put us on track and we killed him and THAT was the LAST STRAW..

In the Bible GOD has had his fair share of Run ins and Punishment towards Mankind who he deems to being going against his Wishes!  The Engineers intended to use the BLACK GOO... but GOD had used the Flood/Deluge!

However... God did at one time have High Hopes for his Creation and saw they can Redeem themselves and HENCE he got NOAH to create the Arc...  instead of just KILLING all Mankind and having to Start-Again!

We can ask would the Engineers NOT consider doing the same? Or maybe some Engineers took pity and decided to take some Humans to another place FAR FAR away where the Engineers can Interact with these and give them a 2nd Chance and learn from the Mistakes that caused Mankind to behave in ways that UPSET them.

So you could explore such a Expanded Universe...

You could even at latter point introduce some incoming Humans from Earth, and what this could do as far as the other Humans who had been raised to NOT be as Corrupt as Mankind on Earth.

Or after the events of Planet 4, some returning Engineers Discover what happened, and they then go "right off we go to other Human Colonies and WIPE them all out, its the only way to be sure"

So you have some Engineers arrive at this World where Humans and Engineers are in Harmony, and want to Destroy those Humans as a Precaution against Rebellion.

You could then see those Engineers on this World, stand up against this Plot, and a Conflict Arises... which then leads those Humans to ASK what the hell was all that about!

Which is when these Engineers can reveal to the Humans their True Origins, and about WHY the Engineers then decided to UNDO certain Creations... which could give indication to the Process of the Death Camps well the Outposts to Create such Deadly Biological Warfare.

So these Humans who may have believed they are alone, with their Engineer Guardians then Discover that there is a whole Galaxy of Creations/Humans... and maybe they then want to SET-OFF and explore!

Even as far as coming to Earth after the Events of Alien Resurrection and Discovering that Mankind really had turned their Paradise into a Hell Hole!

so yes via this we could get answers to some of those Questions that Dr Shaw would have had...  and indeed we can open up the Franchise to STAR-TREK levels.

I mention this because THIS is what i was going to cover with my Prometheus 3 as far as WHERE  it was that David and Dr Shaw end up.... which is a World inhabited by Humans Many Thousands of Light Years from Earth!

A World that would take Human Ships circa 2100-2120 Hundreds of Years to Reach even if they had the Directions.. but a Journey that is VASTLY less for Engineer Ships.

Blomkamp's Alien 5 - it's a nostalgia.

But.

Ridley's Prometheus and Covenant - not a nostalgia. It's a "return to original ideas".

Double standards.

By Company i meant Weyland-Yutani ;)

Regarding ALIENS i think its open for debate, i find it a fitting sequel, maybe it was NOT how Ridley Scott would have continued, but then Alien 3 was not how James Cameron would have continued... this is the Problem we have when there is a SPACE in time between movies and different writers/directors are brought in, when making Continuations to Previous Movies.

I know some Fans may want more ALIEN/ALIEN 3 where the Humans are pitted against ONE Monster and they do-not have any Weapons to deal with it.

Some Fans would want a Colonial Marines Shoot-em Fest!

I think you need a Balance... and by that Prometheus and Alien Covenant had that Balance as in Military/Security just they was not Executed very Well.  Because both movies where trying to cover more than Humans dealing with Xenomorph like Threats.  

As opposed to say AVP!  which had the Balance but again it was not the best Plot.. 

Imagine a AVP swap that Temple for a Complex on LV-223 or other Engineer Related World.

Swap Predators for Engineers (but only have half the Number)

Then work around a GOOD PLOT and Characters around this Xeno-Action type Flick and i think you would have something that works very well.

The Survivors has to contain 1-3 who are NOT Military Types and out of their depth... with 1-2 Military Types as far as the 3rd Act, but they still have to be made to be up against it and NOT Bug Hunting for Fun!  Then HALF these guys have to be KILLED off leaving 1-2 Survivors. 

Maybe I want. The series has more possibilities and substories. But I look at Alien Universe like Godzilla or James Bond. Franchise for the big screen.

Regarding the Debate about the ALIEN Franchise Next Avenue.

You cant and WONT please every fan, there are many things that some Fans are NOT happy with but all we can do is carry on from them and try and amend/damage control.    So such Problems fans have like this.

*Man that Space Jockey was a Skeleton for Sure!

*I wont accept the Xenomorph is NOT Ancient.

*No Way did David create the Xenomorph

*Those Engineers cant be the Space Jockey

*They should not have KILLED Hicks and Newt

They are all things we have to accept, and try and work around, its a BAD idea to change such things to please some Fans...

We also need to consider that we have to find the Balancing Act, but to try and please everyone is something thats VERY HARD!

Right Now, we have to accept that a Majority of People Associate the ALIEN Franchise with the Queen and Xenomorphs, some Fans may Lament for Ripley, Hicks and Newt... but the Franchise is BIGGER than those Characters.

The Franchise is renowned mostly for the Xenomorph, and like it or not, Cameron's Queen has been the Bedrock of Comics, Games, and Movies after ALIENS (Prequels Excluded).

I dont think Fans are into the Prequels so much!

And so for Disney to continue with the Franchise i think they have to play it SAFE and we have to have a very ALIEN movie, and thats the route to go NEXT...

This Movie SHOULD-NOT be a Bring the Gang Back.... i would even say it Does-not have to have any Ripley Family Ties... 

The Movie should try and Balance ALIEN and ALIENS, we dont want a ALIENS Part TWO but some Fans may, but i think we have to be more Imaginative.

The Movie would have to Consider what ever Plans they have even if its NOT to be shown EVER.. they need to have the Plans of HOW we get Prometheus connecting to ALIEN, so that they can give us a ALIEN Movie that can back up what ever clues/plans they intend for a Prequel, so as to NOT step on the Toes of any Future Prequels.

This Movie should NOT be a Prequel to ALIEN, or if it is then it has to NOT conflict with what ever they intended as far as David and the Covenant...    It has to be STAND ALONE Movie that does-not directly tie into David or Ripley.

The Movie has to have Xenomorphs, likely a Queen, it has to balance between a ALIEN and ALIENS or be more a ALIENS but set up a Sequel thats more ALIEN or Vice Versa!

This Movie has to have some connective tissue to things from the Prequels, so that a Sequel could introduce us to some things from the Prequels, which could include Various Xenomorph Hybrids, Engineers and Technology.  So that it can ENGAGE some Fans who want a ALIENS but are NOT really SOLD on the Prequels, we have to have it so that we can get those Fans SOLD on ideas from the Prequels... even if its more in tone to the Engineers from the Comics.

They have to Cater for those kinds of Fans, as this is what would make more MONEY and get the Brand Recognized more and IF this FLOPS... then i think they are in a Pickle!  But if it works, then they have to have it so that either in the NEXT MOVIE or its Sequel, the Fans would be like..

"i really would like to see more about those Engineers now"

"how cool would different types of Xenomorph be"

So if Disney are thinking that the Origins of the Xenomorph are NOT by David, then this Movie has to indicate somehow that this is the case...  which leaves what David gets up to a Mystery or opens up a Continuation of that Story that does-not have to Force itself to be ALIEN..  Or this Movie should indicate that indeed the events starting with Engineers Experiments, then Davids continuation had led to the Xenomorph... and those who dont like that idea would have to accept it or just watch Alien 1-4 and AVP if they choose lol

Prequel Fans are going to have to accept that its best to Produce a Stand Alone Movie, that Transpires in the Time-Line of 2115-2215 and a Movie that can engage Fans to consider following up on some things from the Prequels (Engineers for example).

And accept they may NOT see the Prequels Finished, but hopefully Future Movies could explore some elements the Prequels tried to do differently.

I think Prequel Fans would be HAPPY to have their Prequels Finished in Context of a NOVEL...

I think it would be better for those Blomkamp Alien 5 Fans to get this Story in Terms of a Graphic Novel/Comic.

But the above is just how i think we should go, and its NOT going to please everyone, but i dont think they can make another ALIEN Movie that will please everyone ANYMORE!

@Pagey

I can answer those for you and welcome aboard.

The Blue Myst appears to had been some Protective Device for the Egg Cargo, it does-not offer any kind of HARD Shield Barrier, and so it was there so that the Cargo of Eggs remain Inactive as you dont want any of those Face Huggers Getting Loose...  but once you enter that barrier and touch those Eggs your in trouble.. so its likely the Eggs have some kind of Sensory Method to detect when a Viable Host is close by, and the Blue Myst is likely a Protective Measure that renders those Eggs unable to Detect any Hosts outside that Barrier.

A thing to remember is Originally the idea was that those Eggs are a Engineered Bio-Weapon by the Space Jockey, related to the Experiments they was carrying out on LV-223 in Prometheus.   About 200 years after/before the Outbreak that Killed Most of the Engineers off on LV-223 a Engineer Ship had attempted to leave with its Cargo, but the Cargo Evolved and got to the Pilot, who then knowing he was infected, had Set-Down on near by LV-426 in a attempt to Quarantine the Cargo and WARN his fellow Race of a Containment Breach... he was Chest Busted during his Decent to the Moon.

THIS ^^ is Ridley Scotts Original Idea/Explanation but things have Changed since Alien Covenant...

What we now are looking at IF they continue the David Creates the Xenomorph ARC/Plot, is that within 17 years of the End of Alien Covenant, Davids Xenomorphs have to multiply into Thousands and End-up on a Engineer Ship that would be traveling too or leaving LV-223 prior to ENDING UP on LV-426.

IF David first goes to Origae-6 then he would not reach there with the Covenant until the year 2112 and so 10 Years before ALIEN, if we look at this then if David goes to LV-223 after, then it would take him about 7-8 years so that would leave just TWO YEARS (or so) for David to do what ever he wanted on Origae-6 and then have the Derelict end up on LV-426... so its more likely that a Engineer Ship arrives at Origae-6 and this ship then heads to LV-223.  Then either leaves with more Engineered Eggs, or fails to get their and infected by the Cargo it obtained from Origae-6.

Regarding the Planet in Alien Covenant, this World is the Home-world or at least One Colony of the Engineers, and was a very Earth like Place.   The World in ALIEN/ALIENS (LV-426) is indicated (subject to change) as a near by Moon to the Engineers Outpost on LV-223 and at some point, the Derelict will be either.

*Heading to LV-223 but only getting as CLOSE as LV-426

*Leaving LV-223 but only getting as FAR as LV-426

I like that idea Bigdave; a series set in the Alienverse but without the Xenomorph.

I like the sound of Weyland Odyssey! 

I guess it depends on what the focus/antagonistic force of the series would be.  

The Prometheus name might be another suggestion? With this name you would probably assume Engineers as a key focus, if that was your route.

Sevastopol: xxx

Hadleys Hope: xxx

Lets just please not use the name Colonial Marines....

Look Forwards to what ever Project you have in mind ;)

I think the Space Jockey was a very interesting Entity, its Origins have changed quite a little.  Originally the Space Jockey did not exist so to speak, the Original Drafts to ALIEN showed a Stranded Derelict Alien Ship (did-not look like the Alien Derelict) and on the ship was the Skeletal Remains of a Giant Alien Species who had came across a Pyramid that contained the Spores/Eggs and they attempted to take them to their Ship and got infected.

There were some concepts for this Alien Race, but they looked very Un-Human even Less-Human than the Space Jockey, but then Ridley Scott had decided to use HR Giger for Concept Ideas and he really did like Necronom V

Elements from this formed the Basis for some of the Xenomorphs Design and the Space Jockey.  This Necronom V Pilot so to speak is something VERY Alien, a being that is a True Bio-Mechnoid and appears to be Connected Permanently to the Pilot Chair.

There is always scope to introduce a Alien Race that are very Bio-Mechanical and Infuse with their Technology. And certainly have these Race be the Origins to the Engineers Technology.

Regarding the Rogue Planet and Ridley Scott's intentions for the Franchise, he had wanted to explore the Xenomorph being more Intelligent, and he wanted to explore a VERY Alien and Bio-Mechanical World and so such things could FIT very well with your Rogue Planet, and could you imagine a HR Gigers Take on like a BORG Ship, But talking Death Star Size!

"I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph."

The Company knew a lot about the xenomorph but they forgot to inform JC, so he had his delirium with the Queen and the Colonial Marines, but Aliens was not a true sequel to Alien. Rather Alien3 can qualify as a true sequel to Alien, the Company wanted to capture the xenomorph, not to destroy it. Crew or inmates expendable. 

I think expanding the Universe into a TV Series could work.

But it would have to be a Expanded Universe and so i think the Xenomorph or even related should be KEPT to the Movies.

The Problem is ANY kind of ALIEN TV Series would be expected to connect to ALIEN or the Xenomorph or maybe Ripley, so there is some Thread from the Franchise.  And so if it Carried the ALIEN Title then this would be expected by some Fans, and Certainly more Fans would expect it to contain something very ALIEN at least.

so you would have to think about a Different Name and Market it as being in the Universe but would-not cover anything connecting to Alien or the Xenomorph but then its getting Fans to see your TV Series and the ALIEN is a well known brand, so its a Catch 22...  you would have to have it about something that Fans would Recognize its connected to the Universe, but then also Market it as NOT connecting to ALIEN etc.

Something like Weyland: Odyssey could work on various levels, or Weyland Yutani:Odyssey but how many casual people would know of such a Name and Logo, if its marketed WELL then it may get people interested..  only Alien Franchise and Sci-Fi Fans may notice the connection.

Then some of them may be wandering how close this would connect to anything within the Alien Franchise... and for those who dont see the connection via that Weyland Name, then NO soon as you Market it as a TV Show Set in the ALIEN Universe then some people are going to be scratching their heads and thinking "how does this connect to those Alien Films?, Were is Ripley or the Xenomorph"

Honestly, Im far more interested in streaming/tv series than movies these days. Series give more content and opportunities for writers to invest in plot and character development ,rather than jammed into a 2-3 hour film. Look what happened with Covenant. It feels awkward because it got squeezed to a pulp to fit all the content in. There are negatives to series such as risk of cancellation, budget restraints for storytelling etc. but the positives of a more engaging storytelling far outweigh the negatives

After Ripley had a queen in her and died in Alien3 and was a xeno-human hybrid in Resurrection it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens. It would not work, not for those familiar with the previous films in the franchise.

"I think the way out for the franchise, and I said it before, is to give some brains to the xenomorph, make it an intelligent AI if not an intelligent race. Ridley Scott tried something in this direction when David imprinted on the baby xeno,"

I think getting back to something like the STARBEAST could be a Option however i think and Especially the Prequel Revelations, that the Xenomorph being shown as such would be HARD now... but they could introduce another Creature/Race that has some of that Xenomorph/HR Giger Aesthetic.  Certainly as far as the Ancient Source to were the Deacon DNA at very least came from (Experiments on LV-223). The Fresco in Prometheus could be a Starting Point.

Regarding a Intelligent Xenomorph due to David, i think having the Xenomorph explored in a way that we can see David can CONTROL them somehow would maybe allow for a REASON for why the Company may want to gain the Xenomorph... if they could Discover HOW David was able to Control them, then it would be of Great Benefit to them, The Xenomorph as it is would be a Hostile and Uncontrollable Force... to the Hubris of those wanting to exploit it as seen many times in the Franchise.

I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph.

So WHY they never attempted to obtain anything from after the Nostromo's Destruction is a Good Question, one that we could Ponder Many a Reason for.

WHY would the company be willing to Sacrifice Human Life?  Who are the ones behind the Sinister Shenanigans at Weyland-Yutani and WHY they stopped (or did they?) for  a Period of 57 years is a Good Answer...

Maybe exploring the Consequences of AI becoming Sentient and then running the SHOW with most people NOT even in the know... could be a explanation... as far as prior to ALIENS.  There is THUS room for another Movie set after ALIEN where there could be some Cover-Up of EVERYTHING related to the Prometheus Mission, Engineers and David and LV-426.

"there was always the plan to bring the gang back"

I understand that Miss Weaver and Cameron have been getting behind the Project hoping for it to get the Green Light, but Originally Blomkamp's Idea was a Stand Alone and not a Sequel to Aliens.

"I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron’s. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one. I told her about it on Chappie and she was like 'No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley’s story didn’t end correctly."

"So I went back to Vancouver and, while I was editing Chappie, I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron’s film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that’s what I went to 20th Century Fox with. They seemed really into it and Ridley [Scott] came on as producer, and then it just unraveled."

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So it had been changed while Weaver and Blomkamps were on another Project and it did seem that FOX was keen, even getting Ridley Scott involved as a Producer, but then Ridley Scott wanted to get his Prometheus Sequel done first and this was a LONG Process and then the Disappointment of that Movie (Alien Covenant) and impending Take Over (Disney) really placed Blomkamp's Alien 5 in Limbo.

I personally think the Project has Promise, regardless if its Eggs/Xenomorphs that are Mutated due to Radioactive Fallout, or Mutations are via the Company trying to Extract certain Traits or Re-Engineer the Xenomorph.

I just dont think bringing the Gang Back would be ideal, but i can understand that it would EXCITE a number of Fans and Potentially could draw a lot of interest and money...  I think in HINDSIGHT... yeah a Aliens Sequel that would have carried on with Hicks and Newt would have been interesting to a degree, but due to various delays with Alien 3, what happened has happened..  i think you have to just Move on, which is what happened.

I think we could go another Round or Two with Ripley if we have some of Blomkamp's Ideas made into a ALIEN 5 where it would take place after Alien Resurrection... i have a few ideas how to do this and DEAL with Miss Weavers Age.

So my MAJOR concern would be ONCE you let that Genie out the Box (Bring Back Long Dead Characters) and especially with Disney... is where do they STOP?

You could see them then just Ret-con/Reboot other Movies in the Franchise, and we could END UP a bit like the Terminator Franchise.

Regarding a ALIENS like Movie, i think that would be playing it SAFE... and for some i think Repeating the Same Formula would be Great... but i think there would be ONLY so many times you can carry on over and over... the more times we have RIPLEY kicking ASS it could put some Fans off her Character and the Elements of her having some Fragility/Fear which she pulled off so WELL in ALIEN as well as still being a Strong Headed Take No Crap Character.

Because if we get a Ripley over and over who just comes across as Bad-Ass and kicking Xeno Butt... then you could diminish the Xenomorph...  i think the Xenomorph is NOT as Scary as it was in ALIEN, it has been degraded quite a bit and they NEED to make the Xenomorph much more Perilous to deal with.  Certainly as far as Movies go!

I am not sure the Video Game/Comic style would be ideal, but there would certainly be a Market for that, but i am not sure how many times Theatrically you can Repeat this...

While keeping the Xenomorph to its Tried and Tested Basics (Queen, Egg, Face Hugger, Xenomorph) i do think that you would have to introduce something NEW at some point, as 3 ALIEN movies with Queens, Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs i think would get stale UNLESS the Plot and Characters are VERY interesting, and WELL executed because we dont want another like AVPR like Flop again!

Lone hahaha! I'm rather surprised there already seems to be abundance of Alien vs Ponies material out there.

Hey again BigDave! I’m gonna address some of the stuff you said in your later posts; it was super interesting to read all of it!

“In Ridley Scotts Defense he had No Control of how the ALIEN sequels spanned out…”

Yeah that’s always a problem with movie franchises, unless they´re all written and directed by the same people, there´s always gonna be conflicting views and ideas. Also, although I had always given Scott his due credit for the tremendous work he did on the original “Alien”, he did not write the script so for all we know his ideas for sequels could be very different of say the ones that the original writers had.

“Problems came from the reaction to Prometheus, FOX took on board the lack of Answers, No Xenomorphs, and how Fans was not a massive Fan of Dr Shaw or the Engineers.”

Yeah, this is a big problem too… When a studio tries to “correct” a franchise by giving the audience what they think they want, there´s A LOT of stuff that can go wrong, which is what happened with “Alien: Covenant” I think. Like I said earlier, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone, you´re always gonna piss some people off, so the filmmakers are better off doing things they really are invested in and think could make an interesting movie instead of trying to please every fan of the franchise.

“These are the Concepts to the Face Huggers and Victims, Note also the Murals that HR Giger did”

Oh cool, thanks mate! I still think the Space Jockey looks more like a skeleton than a suit but well, “Prometheus” already exists so there´s nothing I can do about it.

“some people read into it too much, and the whole BIBLICAL connections.... “

Yeah I also think that sometimes people read WAY too much into things that weren’t supposed to be scrutinized so much. As of the biblical references, well Ridley Scott is apparently very keen on introducing biblical references on his films (and well, he did a whole movie about one of those biblical stories, “Exodus: Gods and Kings”) so yeah, his films are apparently ridden with them.

“So when we see Ripley having to Sacrifice herself we could have more impact at the LOSS via Hicks, and this would also have left Hicks open to be the Protagonist in any sequel as he would make a VOW that Ripleys Sacrifice was NOT in Vain and he would NOT allow the Company/Mankind to obtain a Xenomorph at any point!”

Hey, that’s a really cool idea, I would have loved if “Alien 3” would have done something like that. I remember seeing the Comic Con Panel on the “Aliens” 30th anniversary and if I remember correctly both James Cameron and Michael Biehn expressed regret that the Hicks character was killed off at the beginning of the third one cause they thought a really interesting and tender relationship could have been developed between them, and I totally agree with that. Your idea reminded me of what they said.

“Special Order 937 would have been a avenue as the Company had some idea about the Xenomorph before the Nostromo Crew had been sent to LV-426.  The Question would be HOW and WHAT did they know“

Yeah, as an “Alien” fan I obviously ALWAYS wanted to know the origin of the Order 937 and how the hell the Company knew about the creatures, and I had hopes that either “Prometheus” or “Alien: Covenant” touched that subject but yeah, no luck on that. I assume Scott was planning to end his prequel trilogy by explaining the origin of that order but seeing that nobody still knows if he´s gonna be given the chance to end the trilogy well, we may never know.

“I think back to your idea... Then it could be something to be explored as far as some ROGUE World...”

Hey, I’m glad my short story stuck on your head and made you think! Well I kinda imagined this rogue world as being like a dark barren place, a place where there shouldn’t be any life but somehow it has, but given how unnatural the environment is then that life must be somewhat unnatural too to survive there. I even imagined the planet (or a part of it) being literally made of xenos… Remember that part in “Aliens” when they get to where all the colonist were and the xenos were like all like hiding in the floor and walls and ceiling, camouflaged in the background? Well something like that but around the whole planet. I guess you could make it a metaphor for hell or something of that sort, that´s why I make the “demon” reference in my story.

“Hi and welcome to the board, it is always nice to see new members because we all have our history in our own ways with the franchise.”

Hey Thoughts_Dreams, thank you! Yeah, I think that too, everyone must have their different stories regarding how they fell in love with the franchise and I’m sure they’re all super interesting.

“I like the poster that you made, well done there.”

Thank you mate! I was very proud of it and it received hundreds of likes and comments on the official “Prometheus” fan page on Facebook, so I was super pissed off when they erased the page when “Alien: Covenant” came out, I didn’t see the need to do that.

“but I like the first three Alien 3 being my favorite”

You know, I actually don’t think “Alien 3” is a bad movie, not at all, I just think it was an underwhelming “Alien” movie. It had memorable and risky moments, the visuals are cool, the concept of the xeno was interesting, some characters were somewhat memorable (although I found most of them forgettable) and well Fincher proved later on that he was indeed an excellent director if the studio lets him do what he actually wants to do, so who knows what might have been if Fox wouldn’t have interfered so much with his vision. I’ve never seen the Assembly Cut of the film (is that what is called?) but I want to, I’ve heard it improves a lot of stuff of the theatrical release.

“Thanks for the short fan story (short should not be seen as criticism), I enjoy it. I like it when people come up with ideas of their own as long as they are not here for self-promotion.”

You´re welcome, glad you enjoyed it!

”Don’t worry about Big Dave, he is smart but he can never write short replies. ;)”

Lol, well I have also been accused of that on occasion so I don’t mind haha.

“DK: I think that he has money but he probably wants control of the franchise that is what I think.”

Who are you referring to here? Who´s DK?

Cheers!

Was all the stuff about the Enginners and the black goo and the gardeners of space just flavour added to the old story? 

It seems to me that Ridley Scott returned to some original concepts from the earlier drafts:

- the space jockey is a human(oid) in a suit

- the bioweapon research facility the engineers had on LV223 is similar to the one the Company built, illustrated by the "Cylinder" above

- the Enginners set their bioweapon research facility on another planet than their home planet (4)

- the Xenomorph is a bioweapon created by the Company (David) and not of alien origin

- the Company purposely re-routed the ship to use the crew as test subjects for their new bioweapon (a little stretch here with the neutrino blast that finally made the crew aware of the signal sent by David - Country roads)

Well, here is a more in your face example of the Juggernaut representing a sexual organ. Who knows?

That is an interesting read how the concept evolved. I wonder if Giger used L-52 as a basic template for the Derelict. 

It looks a bit like a nightmarish version.

Unless the sequel to Alien: Covenant is already in the pipe line. Who knows that better than Stacey Snider and Emma Watts?

Too bad. There were lots of possibilities. Now we can wait another 4 or 5 years for another possibility of a teaser trailer. Some might be getting pension checks by then.

Thanks daliens! I'll add your link to the OP. I was late to the punch on this one with the other news.

There is a topic already on the Forum since March 22nd, but since here it has more visibility, thanks for sharing.

I would prefer movies over a series.  I don't know when or what we'll receive for a movie but I'm hopeful.

Yeah, I was never a fan of adapting Alien to TV. It would denature a lot of the authenticity and mythology which made the films so great, imo.

Good honestly it sounded like a bad idea anyway

I was watching Alien earlier tonight, my top favorite sci fi movie . I often wonder my self, when Kane goes down . To the eggs in the derelect ship and . The blue mist covering the deadly Alien eggs and , who put it there . Cause wedw all love to know who did? Who was on Lv426, after the people on Covenant . Cause there has to be other members who , lands there . Cause if Ridley Scott is gonna , make more sequels to the franchise . Connecting them up to the original ALIEN , then big pointers like this needs to be answered . Also why in Covenant , is the air breathable and has grass etc and . In Alien it's dark humid , I know the original movie was made 40 years ago . So understandly there was no reason to ask these things , but now PROMETHEUS, COVENANT have been made is prequels . Think there's holes , should be addressed and answered ??

I was 

They can do the Colonial Marines any time later. Anybody can do it. About restoring the popularity of the franchise in that way, I have some doubts, The Predator was a total failure at that. We are not in the 90's anymore.

I saw Aliens yesterday - and, yes, it was great. Something like Aliens can restore the popularity of the franchise. Because, surprise(!!!), people love Aliens (disastrous word for adepts of philosophy, lol) and Colonial Marines. If you want to be original - just replace Queen with Engineer.

And get the box office!

Wow, how cool is that!?

Leto Perfecto Cuervo is good old school, just fresh blood for the franchise. He did a good job with talented high school kids and a set made from recycled materials, imagine what he could do with an army of talented actors / set designers / visual effects behind him.

If you care for the franchise, just forget Blomkamp/JC comedians. You want to shoot xenomorphs by tens or hundreds, buy yourself a video game, it will make you feel way better than any Blomkamp/JC film.

Get out of the box!

Blomkamp (with or not Cameron) is the best way. New ideas are the worst path for franchise now. Need good oldschool story.

Just destroy your opinion (ego) and thinks about the benefits for franchise. Prometheus and Covenant are great films, but the benefit for franchise are dubious.

I believe in Disney.

After Ridley Scott I would try somebody totally new to direct an Alien film. And why not Perfecto Cuervo who recently staged Alien: The Play at North Bergen High School?