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The actresses are pretty much built in- Andrea Deck for the voice:

and Kenzia Burrows for the animation and character model:

For a live action though, do you go for appearance or the voice?

Question would be IF there is any chance Disney would go for a Live Action Movie that would NOT center around Ellen Ripley?

I know there are a number of Amanda Ripley fans who would think that taking some of Blomkamps Ideas but exploring them through a Amanda Ripley would be more interesting.

Its who would PLAY a Amanda Ripley?  If Disney would be interested in exploring this route and invest a decent budget i would say they cant go wrong with either Daisy Ridley or Karen Gillan

Saying that i think either Felicity Jones, Emilia Clarke or Ana de Armas could also be good options.

I guess it depends on HOW TALL they would want a Amanda though, if they want her closer to a 5ft11-6ft Ellen Ripley then thats going to limit choice of Actresses a little..  and find someone who looks like her Game Character.

Which only really Karen Gillan would be more ideal at 5ft 10

I think it will be interesting to see whats NEXT for the Franchise, as it appears the Amanda Ripley Trio which consists of Alien: Black Out Game (Play) Aliens: Resistance Comic (Read) and the Alien: Isolation Digital Series (Watch) are a Parting Gift from FOX

So while this Digital Series has not pleased everyone, it would be interesting to see whats next NOW that the Franchise is Owned by the POWERHOUSE that is Disney.

I do think any ideas of the Prequels, and any explanations of the Cargo Hold or Space Jockey Fate are going to be put on the BACK-BURNER.

So i expect Disney to likely expand upon the Ripley Characters, mainly upon Ellen Ripley, in various Mediums... which could well include the Niel Blomkamp's Reboot Alien 3 Project that James Cameron is Championing.

Likely if this route is taken, that we would get at least 2 Ripley Movies before passing the Torch to Newt, in more of the same Eggs and Queens Tropes!

I would not even be surprised if down the Line, we have Amanda Ripley had a Daughter too Scenario!

"One thing that I was excited about was that this was released not on Alien Day."

That is a interesting thing to consider...  this ALIEN DAY would be the one of the Biggest in the Franchises History.. you would imagine prior to Alien Covenant or IF that movie had been a Success then indeed  4:26:2019 would have likely had something Special In-Store.... as it would have been the 40th Anniversary of ALIEN release. 1979 that is.  If Alien Covenant had been a hit, and we never had the Disney take over, i would be pretty sure that Alien Covenants Sequel would have been released this year.

So it would be interesting to see what they have in store, but i would not be raising my Expectations too HIGH.. that way we can only be Surprised, instead of Disappointed.

What is LV-426?

This was the Big Question... in ALIEN this was a World/Moon that the Derelict Ship was stranded on, its position was always as though it came to rest/perched on top of something.   But the Official Answer was that the Ship was carrying that Cargo of Eggs, and it was going some place before the Pilot was Infected.   And hence Crashed on LV-426.

Ridley Scott had expanded upon this at the time after Prometheus to suggest the Ship Did-Not Crash so to speak, but still indicating the Space Jockey had laid Course for this Baron World to Quarantine the Cargo after it was Compromised.

There have been many many debates about the Egg Chamber, which revolve around its Size compared to the Ship, and also indeed when looking at the Decent by Kane, he did say it was some kind of Cave.... but it Did-Not look like some kind of Cave it had the same kind of Structure Aesthetic as the Derelict.

However in the Alien Isolation Bonus Mission, when they descend into the Egg Chamber it indeed does look like like Cave Structure (at Entry) due to what appeared to be Stalactite Formations.

However.... from the Game these could be just the result of a Acid Melting from the Pilot Chamber to the Cargo Hold that lead to similar formations like  Stalactite.  The HOLE is also Larger in the Game than i recall from ALIEN.

So its still very Ambiguous at the Moment, despite Ridley Scott suggesting the Cargo Hold was Part of the Ship... but then INDEED this Cargo Hold would NEVER fit in the Ship.

This Ultimately is a Oversight, but with so many flaws, that its open to be explored as a separate CARGO storage in Future.   It really depends on HOW they intended to explain the whole Scene as far as Cargo Hold.

I have done detailed analysis of the Cargo Hold a number of times on here,  Here was one of the Last Ones The Cave

I cam up with this image which to me is what the Cargo Hold would look like compared to the Derelict, which could mean the Ship was Carrying the Cargo Hold still.

Initially yes there was planned a Separate Egg Cargo Hold/Pyramid Mound and Derelict Ship.

But due to Budget/Time Restraints we ended up having them combined, despite the discrepancies, i will add that when i studied the Internal Cargo Hold, it seemed to be laid out in a pattern like some Flowers and so likely indeed similar shape to the Image i Posted with the Derelict. 

Will we ever get a definite Answer on Screen or in Comic or otherwise?  Who knows...

The Current Answer is it was part of the Ship.... but who knows what route Alien Covenant would have led us too.

Thank you for the link BigDave to the Final Fantasy trailer...I thought it looked great for when it was made (and still looks good now).

"I think as a low cost way to expand the Franchise as alternative to a Graphic Novel or Comic, its maybe a way to go... i know some fans would despise it... but then would these fans have a problem with the Comics?"

Bingo..love it, fan factions. I'm in the Alien Comic faction trying to shake hands with the Live Action Canon Puritans faction.

One thing that I was excited about was that this was released not on Alien Day. So, one might expect an announcement of something else on April 26, 2019 and not this digital series. I actually liked the series and the tie in to what we see from Amanda Ripley in the comics.

Alien Isolation Digital Series

The image below was an interesting part of the series.

The image is interesting because it was referred to as a "cavern" (Episode 4). The Alien novelization treats the egg chamber the same way and this area is below ground.

What is LV-426?

I agree dk regarding the animated examples if done decent with a good story and this is a good start in expanding through Amanda Ripley, below.

For Gamers (of which I am not one) I’m sure Isolation is fine. As for myself, I struggled through the dire 7-episode animated digital series and wished I hadn’t bothered. It is terrible. IMHO it doesn’t have a single idea worthy of making into a movie. People you don’t care about running around a space station trying to evade a xenomorph. It’s been done to death already. Keep it as a game. If you’re a movie maker, dream up big new ideas and give every film its own unique flavour.

BigDave Agreed. The story does work and all it needs is a budget and some love/guidance. 

I hope this project receives some support to become something bigger- I applaud the 7 episode series and wish it well.

BD- The Starship Troopers looks really good and is similar in style as RE Degeneration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCFYZJcIo7Y .

Animated shows are just fine if done like these examples. 

As you said, the story is what's important. The medium is really secondary and should defer to our ability to fill in the blanks with our imaginations- do we dare?

I think the ideas that PROMETHEUS had laid down,  are still interesting and it would be a SHAME to Can them!

Why i think that a NOVEL to cover such things are the way to go... a Series of THREE would do the Trick!

The Alien Covenant Origins was a interesting attempt.. i feel a Novel that would give more Depth to what becomes of Weyland Industries after its CEO and Daughter go AWOL, while touching upon the Conflict between both companies prior.  So yes a Prequel to Alien Covenant Origins Novel, that would also set up as a Prequel to Prometheus could be ONE direction to take a Novel.

A Novel that covers David and Dr Shaw from maybe when Dr Shaw had collected Davids Head/Body, or just from the Expanding Point of the Crossing... until the events of Months, Years prior to the Covenant Mission.

Then Finally a Novel that covers what happens from after Alien Covenant, until say ALIEN or setting up another Movie/Novel that would connect to ALIEN.. so basically a Novel that covers what ever Alien Covenants sequel would have covered..

Leading to what happens next to be covered in a MOVIE, a Comic or Animated Movie/Short...    I feel likewise any Story that covers what happens to LV-223 (unless this would be covered in the series that chronologically has events from Alien Covenant to ALIEN...  would also benefit from a Comic or Animated take on it..  (not inc Fire and Stone as i consider them a Alternative as they connect to the Predator Franchise too).

Basically any potential Popcorn/Action Stories to be covered in a Comic or Animated/Anime form could be the way to go.. and any more Deep, Thought Provoking and Historical Stories that DONT revolve around Xenomorphs should be covered in NOVEL format.

I am sure Fans of the Prometheus/Ridley Scott Concepts wont mind having to Read and then think/imagine how the words/scenes described would appear visually in your head (as books offer).   Leave the Popcorn stuff to Comics/Animated.

I feel these are maybe the BEST way forward at the Moment, as its unlikely we would be seeing a MOVIE apart from a ALIENS Re-hash! AKA Cameron Terminator 6 2019/Blomkamps Alien 5

Certainly share your Concerns....

The Franchise is more than Ripley, Eggs, Face Huggers, and Xenomorphs/Queens..  While these still make money and interest, its a case of ONCE you have gone over and over these Tropes, its then WHATS NEXT?

To Continue this way, things could get stale especially with a few STINKERS!

AVP was a decent Popcorn Flick, it may have given a conflicting history on Weyland, the Xenomorph and how little was known about it in ALIEN.. but it was a decent stand alone Popcorn Flick!

A continuation could have worked... if it was done RIGHT! but as AVPR showed... this is how a continuation can SUCK! If they MILKED the Ripley and Queens, and we got another 3-4 movies, it only takes 1-2 of them to be DUDS and it could discredit the ENTIRE Franchise!

Sadly the Franchise of ALIEN and Predator are both in a bit of a Problem Area at the moment....

And i am not sure doing a Cameron's Plans for TERMINATOR with the ALIEN Franchise would be the way to go, because once we start to DISCOUNT the Stinkers and Start Again.. its where do we STOP?

How many times can the Terminator Franchise just keep Rebooting and giving us Arnie T-800's and having Sarah and John Connors...  eventually we would have to ask, do we use the Original Terminator 2 cast?  Or how long before we have Movie after Movie with different people being cast as the Main Characters?

Sometimes you can expand the Franchises, but introduce NEW Stories and Characters... or have a way to PASS the Torch on to a New Character who will then take over, while other Characters are removed...  The NEW Star Wars Trilogy was doing this... but even this sometimes does-not work.

But i think the main FLAW was just Rian Johnson but the ALIEN Franchise only needs another Stinker to make it hard to recover from... to a degree Alien Covenant was viewed as such, and hence maybe the Reluctance to even go back to the Prequels.

If a ALIEN 5 comes out and performs/disappoints like The Predator for example... then we have to ASK.. where do we go then?

The same would HOLD TRUE for Star Wars EP9 and Camerons New Terminator Flick... if they disappoint/do bad, then those Franchises would likely be left ALONE!

But Nostalgia is the Cause of a lot of it.... sometimes its a case of making complete Reboots/Alternatives rather than any continuation (Planet of the Apes, TMNT, Robocop etc) and these can work, but then they can equally not do well.

I would not like to see such a Attempt with the ALIEN Franchise or Predator however..... and i can see that a Blomkamps Alien 5 would be like doing what the HALLOWEEN 2018 Movie attempted.. but even if this works i am not a fan of Ret-con any of the ALIEN or Predator movies.

AVP series apart ;)  I think this needs a REBOOT!

I think indeed people need to OVERLOOK the Quality of the Effects... and ask...

Does this Story Work?  Would a continuation with a Higher Budget for more Polished CGI work?

I think again its Expectation....

After years of waiting, some would be disappointed we STILL have not got what they deem a real ALIEN movie... some could be Lamenting over the wait for Blomkamps Alien 5.

And some would have been wanting to see the Prequels Finished...

And so a Animated TV Short is something that would not be enough for them.... i think even Fans of Alien Isolation may have been hoping for a Live Action Series...

As long as the Story Works... i dont see the Problem myself.

I think with a bit more Polish/Quality then Animated Series does offer a more low cost avenue...  and i dont hink Financially its as Expensive to end up with a Decent Project.

The Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within movie was Great, but Expensive because it was pushing CGI Boundaries at the time.  But to come with this Quality in todays Climate is much cheaper...   Much like the Starship Troopers Affair

Alas it wont please every Fan, who would expect Live Action but then these cost more money and when your trying to portray a CGI Xenomorph against a Live Action Scene/Cast it has to be very HIGH quality for it to look Good.

Offering us what is in effect a Glorified Comic, may not be such a bad thing, the next step down would be a Traditional Animated Series (like Japanese Anime) 

I think as a low cost way to expand the Franchise as alternative to a Graphic Novel or Comic, its maybe a way to go... i know some fans would despise it... but then would these fans have a problem with the Comics?

So if done right they would be like a Moving Comic, where you can bring home more a sense of Fear/Suspense with Dialect, and Music etc to bring more Realism...

But indeed it would not be as Real as a Live Action version, but then i guess we have to look at the Potential $$$$$ in doing Live Action.

I think regardless of the Medium... if the Story is Good, the Acting/Dialect and Visuals then i think its a Winner... if these are BAD... then it makes no difference as a Stinker is a Stinker!

A Well Done Anime or CGI Animated can be better than a poorly done Live Action. Especially if Said Live Action has some Suspect CGI

Had a Quick Flick through the Videos... and they do seem like the Cut Scenes, merged with some New Scenes that are just a bit more polished than the In-Game Scenes and yes there is some pretty BAD Lip Sync issues.

I have to go and watch them in full, I do think a bit more Polish and Quality like say the Starship Troopers then such TV Shorts/Movies could work for Disney...  They would be like Glorified Comics... but would for many FALL short of a Live Action Series or Movie..

But would be more Cost Effective.

This got a lot of hate but after watching it all, the Amanda story can continue. The stage is set.

There are added cut scenes (poorly lip synced) with a narrative over the top. It has mostly Isolation cut scenes but there is more to it if watched in the entire episode.

I only watched a bit of episode 1 and honestly this series doesn't look like anything new. I haven't played the game in awhile but most of this seems to be the exact cutscenes taken from the game.

 ignorantGuy Some of the lip sync was indeed terrible while other animations were better than the game. In other words, uneven. However, taking it all in as a whole and how the narrative is done, I think it is pretty good over all and sets up a nice story and setup for something we have yet to see. 

123Engineer The IGN series looks pretty good so far- but I agree. I have a feeling something bigger is coming.

You should play Isolation. It is a masterpiece.

It could be a smart move for Disney, and I might be on board if he doesn't erase A3 and AR. They could easily do this if they used Amanda instead of Ellen.

I have pretty much given up on Scott and the Jockey at this point.

Just watched parts 2 and 3. There has to be some kind of reveal coming- it looks like too much work has gone into it for kicks or Alien 40th........

Off to a good start. The game and new footage plus the narrative sets the story up very well. It is so nice to see Isolation getting the recognition it deserves.

Thanks for posting! 

The various people I talk to about Prometheus have been to the cinema to see Green Book, Colette and Its a matter of sex. I can find no evidence they are playing games on computers with scenarios of Ripley verse The Creature. I say that to show how disengaged my grouping who wanted Prometheus 2 is from the core fan segment who want dark corridors, dripping water and somebody called Ripley or "Another glorious day in the corps." Am I allowed, without being rude, to say how desperately anchored, how artistically bankrupt such thinking is ?  

This I a fare assessment, But it's all a matter of personal opinion.For Example my Mother,much like me,her favorite film is Aliens. She did not care much for Prometheus. She's 52 now, she initially rejoiced when Neill Blomkamps Alien 5 was announced because she was excited about the prospect of seeing Ripley again. Similar with my father who is 57,I never really knew his opinion of Prometheus, but I am aware he enjoyed Covenant for being an Alien film.

Opinions on Prometheus as well as Covenant differ from Alien community to community. I see Those that love Prometheus and condemn Covenant and Vice versa.Some love both,some hate both.As I've said I enjoyed Prometheus for being different, and Covenant for being Alien. To be fair and honest I will say I was initially disappointed with Covenant when I saw it in its opening weekend.It wasn't until my second viewing on DVD that I appreciated Covenant for what it was instead of condemning it for what it wasn't.

The point of this topic is to show that thanks to mtments in the Alien saga such as the Amanda Ripley campaign consisting of the Mobile Game Alien Blackout,Aliens Resistance and the upcoming Aliens Rescue,an Alien Isolation digital series courtesy of IGN,and an upcoming Alien Isolation novelization. That and the possibility of Alien 5 being resuscitated,it feels as if the powers that be at 21st Century Fox are putting Prometheus, as well as David 8 and Elizabeth Shaw in there rear view mirror,and putting  focus on the name Ripley,which is more loved and fondly remembered than anything Prometheus related.For better,or for worse.

I agree....

Its if they have confidence in RS and his ideas, or they (Disney) would think Camerons ideas would make more money!

The Prequels being Finished would be ideal.... even if its in the form of  NOVEL...  the Question is IF we have Cameron given the Green Light would he pay Respect to the Prequels?

Or explore his own things that may conflict the Prequels or plans on how they could have expanded/ended.

So my FEAR is they do a Blomkamp lets Ignore Alien 3 and Alien R, and have a Aliens 2 instead.. and it DOES WELL...

We would get a Blomkamp/Cameron Aliens 3 that may conflict the Prequels and then EVEN see a Reboot of the Prequels..

Where we would have more a Aliens Apocalypse The Destroying Angels kind of Space Jockey.

Where we would likely only see HOW and WHY the Eggs came to be, and would not expect much about the Space Jockey Race.

And the Space Jockey would likely be a SKELETON!

I think Financially it would be a RISK.... to cover what happened between Prometheus and Alien Covenant, but surely getting a NOVEL would be Great as its Cheap, and they can go into more Detail than you could on Screen.

"Maybe they could go into the direction from an earlier version of the script, where E. Shaw hides in the catacombs of the planet"

Ive not heard of that, is it from a Script you have read?

I do know that some of the Reporters on Set for Alien Covenant had said they had the feeling that the Place Dr Shaw was held up in (on the Juggernaught) looked as though she was trying to Hide from David.

Could be who knows....

I am more drawn to David giving Dr Shaw a Excuse they was Attacked, he tried to escape and the Cargo Deployed during the attack or he had NO CHOICE in order to Protect her....   So he then informs her the Planet is Contaminated for some time, and she is best to stay in the SHIP.

He would then go to places that are not infected to get her Food/Water... i feel this is what happened... but she got Suspicious and decided to VENTURE out one day and then Discovered what David really was up to and then tried to Escape!

Edit:  Certainly has a kind of 10 Cloverfield Lane Vibe to it, so i am not sure how many would sit through a movie that has a large amount of time just around David and Dr Shaw... but surely it would also show scenes of David off to do his Experiments... and it looks like some Engineers Survived but would be in NO condition to Fight!

What Horrors and Torture were those Survivors put through, and did they Plead with David and offer him information?  So yeah there is a WHOLE story there.

I am more drawn to this.... thats not to say this was the case, or even if they had any Plot to what happened in the Past prior to the Covenant Arrival....  But certainly is something a NOVEL could cover..

Something i have Pondered on working on, as a Fan Made Fiction as i have a number of ideas.

Certainly Thoughts_Dreams

I agree that a little more thought would help with some scenes, i gave some explanations to WHY we kind of ended up with what we had, and Totally agree some things that was in draft/novel to explain some silly scenes SHOULD have been added... My attempts to offer Alternative Scenes that made more sense would ALSO had likely been thrown out because it would have made Scenes a bit too long...

I can understand that Dr Shaw should have valued her Life more than the Head, but sometimes people do make Rash Decisions for things that are Ultimately on a Personal Level not as Important than you own LIFE...   some people would risk their Lives to save a Baby thats NOT even theres... some would maybe not... for Dr Shaw all she had was her Faith and Work (and Holloway) and if she had a Great Deal of Faith in her GOD, she would maybe be more willing to take Risks knowing that Death would only lead her to Paradise...  

But indeed it was not the most Rational Choice she made, but sometimes people can do such things.

Regarding Fifield.. i agree this was not the best version, and its a shame we never got more Time/Money spent on giving us a better version or Polish up the CGI one  a bit more.  I for one was not a Fan of Toxic Avenger Fifield ;)

Regarding the Engineers, i also feel we should have seen more of them, and while it may have indicated a Prometheus 2 may have seen them or most of them KILLED off i would like to think a Prometheus 2 would not have done so in the same Fashion as we saw in Alien Covenant and even if it did... i am sure we would have had a few Survivors who we could have learned more from...  Alien Covenant was kind of a After-Math to what a Prometheus 2 may have been.   Also as i have said a number of times they could have had Dr Shaw and David go to a place FAR FAR away... and still have Human Characters by virtue of us asking.... is EARTH the only place where Humans are in the Galaxy, could the Engineers have many Human Settlements?

This certainly would have meant No-Need to bring Paradise right on the Door Steps of LV-223/426.  So indeed a bit more thinking by those working on the Sequel could have gave us some other Humans.

"I would rather have that than what Scott did with AC if the next movie would mean more androids."

I can certainly see that Problem, i feel it would concentrate on David quite a lot, which is not to most peoples cup of tea.. the AI aspect however i feel does not mean its about DAVID because its about AI, or other Robots... the AI aspect would simply be regarding a Artificial Creation... which again would be about David having a Big Part in said Artificial Creation and by that i think the AI Creation would be David Re-Engineering/Evolving those Human Embryos...

To a Degree in context of Prometheus/Alien Covenant, Mankind is maybe also a AI unless the Creation from the Sacrificed Engineer is anything Natural?  Even the Biblical Creation of Adam is a indication of Artificial Creation to a degree.

While a AI Creation as such could be interesting, i feel that its a bit of a DISTRACTION from what fans expect from a ALIEN movie, and ONE that is to connect to ALIEN... but i think the Big Problem for many is that having explore Humans being Engineered is ONE THING... but having David being the Puppet Master in it all will not sit to well with many.  So i agree most fans would not like the Focus on David.

Regarding the XENOMORPH... i understand it fits with the Philosophical Themes... but i think its a mistake... having him PERFECT his own version is more fitting, or have the Engineers shown as taking Davids Xenomorph and Perfecting it.

Anyone thinking or wishing those Eggs on the Derelict are something the Engineers Created or Came Across Thousands of Years ago... seems a bit WISHFUL at the moment...

But things can Change...

I agree the David is the SOLE Creator of the Xenomorph is not the right route to take the Franchise.

The series was not that great, the editing was bad (fox logo blinking in and out during an episode, what was that about?) and the lip sync was awful (the game was mostly 1st person and the limitations of the game engine were hidden). On the bright side they used cues from both Goldsmith and Kurzel ...

If the quality is indicative of the financial status of Fox, I'm sorry for them.

I don't think it is a good idea if J. Cameron would go with Blomkamp's Alien sequel soon. First Fox should let R. Scott finish his prequel series. I know it is very unlikely that they give him full freedom in creativity but they should. 

A tv series that would connect Prometheus and Alien Covenant would be interesting because the lack of connection was too much. If a tv series could tell a storyline of E. Shaw, then it could satisfy some fans. Maybe they could go into the direction from an earlier version of the script, where E. Shaw hides in the catacombs of the planet while David did all his experiments and studies. Seeing some creature from David's lab alive would be as well interesting. 

I was hoping for a television series that would explore a new storyline. However, I will watch it tomorrow. Maybe it is interesting enough so I will play Alien Isolation. I haven't played it before... 

BD:

“So in the Heat/Panic of the Moment, she realized the Head was of GREAT Importance to the Discovery of potentially our Ancestors or Creators...”

I understand that but that doesn’t justify almost killing herself. If I as in the situation I would say F the head and try to save myself. Sure I would be sad to loose the head but you got to be smart.

“A lot of it comes down to being able to explain things more in a Book/Draft and things have to be CUT when making a Movie”

Well then either have it explained or cut it out, otherwise it will just look silly.

“(but that would raise the problem of why not probe the whole area within so far and how would they miss the Dead Engineer City).”

No technology is perfect so there could be a way to explain that. Technology is made by humans, humans have flaws so there will be a risk that even the most foolproof technology might have problems.

“But to have either would have added to more Screen Time and so some things that would make scenes/action seem less dumb, just get left out for pacing.”

Yeah but then if the thing seems stupid then leaving things out for pacing is not a smart choice. I would rather have a movie that is a little longer that is smart instead of one that is shorter and makes you go “huh?”.

“Ultimately Ridely Scott was happy with Sean Harris Performance in that Scene... also i think the CGI Fifield was not as Polished as would have hoped for.”

He is not a story guy, he is a director, and besides he says that the Xeno is done so he should not have any input story wise, otherwise we will get shitty things. The Zombie Fifield is just a thing that might get there when he tries to interfere with the story. Sorry but the Zombie thing is still disappointing, to say the least. Sure the Xeno Fifield could have been better (it was not as polished as you said) but it was a lot better than the Zombie. When I see the Xeno one I am like “shit! That is great!”, when I see the Zombie afterwards I am like “well that is a disappointment *sigh*”.

“A way around this would be they had no knowledge or abandoned us BUT their Home-world is on the other side of the Galaxy and maybe David and Dr Shaw take Hundreds of years to arrive... The Problem with this is HOW do you introduce Human Characters... as a movie cant HANG on David and Dr Shaw, and some Engineers, even if they discover a way that allows Dr Shaw to understand them.”

I see your point but there could be a way. Eventually they could have changed the ending of Prometheus that could have left David and Shaw (better written) in while getting better written human characters also and they go on a mission to discover more about the Engineers, something similar.

“.. unless Fans could put up with Engineers, a Robot and Dr Shaw (who many was annoyed with)”

The Engineers could have been better written and kept that mystery (which was there in the franchise since day one like the Derelict). David could have been more like he was in Prometheus, which is that he was less sadistic/not as evil. Shaw could have been better written, like she was in the end. New human characters could have been introduced by a better writer. If this would have been the case we might have been given a better movie.

Yup, the Xeno connection was too loose in Prometheus, which was a shame.
“So ULTIMATELY it seemed that those Engineers were always going to be WIPED out... even as far as the Plans from 2012.”

Sure but they could have been in the movie for a far longer time than what it became.

“By Virtue of the events having to lead up to Alien, and introducing more Humans from Earth to the Engineers Home-world, really meant Paradise had to be closer, and to deal with any potential Problems as to HOW the Engineers would have Reacted.... it was maybe Necessary to have them KILLED OFF. “

I am not sure if I agree with this, I think that there could have been a way to make it work. I am not sure how but to me the Engineers are more interesting than a mad robot. As far as the distance to Paradise and how to make space travel and that, well this is science fiction so there could probably be a way to figure it out. Don’t ask me about details because I don’t know, but there might be a way.

“I feel those Themes are only there to be considered LOOSELY and only from a Philosophical Element were it seemed RS was more interested in the concept of Creation, Sub-Creation, Knowledge and Miss-use of this and Hubris and Rebellion... Were we are to discover there is NOTHING Divine or Special about our Creation or Creators. And things such as Immortality, the Soul and After-Life would be shown more in context of DAVID.”

Scott might be interested in it but what we see is a story about David, which is a story that I don’t care about. I would rather have it about humans, the monsters, and the Engineers. I am done with the David story but I would like to see more of the Engineers.

“They would be looking forwards to seeing Humans Pitted Helplessly against and caught in the Middle of a BATTLE between the Engineers and David and his Xenomorphs.. i think Fans would care little about what else David would want to go and Create!”

I would rather have that than what Scott did with AC if the next movie would mean more androids.

“Ive noticed a lot with ALIENS fans and other SITES! that the Majority are wishful that David does-not create the Xenomorphs, and the Engineers Rock up with a Cargo of Eggs and we have the Queen explained for how they came to be!”

He could create his own version that he does in the ADF novel but to have him responsible for the original is lame. I would think that it would be interesting if we see the Engineers taking off with the cargo if eggs in the end which would point to the Derelict. This could be interesting but I guess that Scott has other things in mind, that are probably worse. I am not very interested in the queen because she has been done a lot of times, egg-morphing and other versions of the Xeno monster is more interesting to me. At least Alien Covenant gave us the spores, they are more interesting since they show what the goo can do. The queen has been featured a lot of times so I am not very interested in seeing another version.

“So PROMETHEUS is Dead.... its now LONG LIVE Camerons ALIENS and what ever he intends to do with the Franchise.  And looking at his comments regarding the NONE Cameron Terminators... i would not be suprised if he will IGNORE Alien 3 on-wards and even REBOOT the Prequels.”

Cameron can say whatever, he is only interested in his thing and since he will retcon Alien 3 I will not pay to see his version. His version would not exist in my canon, that could be like separate route at best but I would not like to see that either (not a single fuck given, which means that I will not watch it). It is a difficult time being an Alien fan (I like the first three movies).

“Ridley Scott however confirms that David is the Xenomorphs Origins... and it fits with the Philosophical Themes...   Even though its a SLAP to the Face of the Franchise Fans!”

I will not accept that, it is stupid makes it too close to humans and makes the franchise based on a mad robot. This is so dumb so I do not have words for it. This is why he should not have anything to do with the script. I would not mind of David’s version is one in a long line to get the ultimate weapon but I refuse to accept that his version is the one on the Derelict.

“With how the Franchise is in LIMBO regarding the Xenomorph Origins which the U-Turn for Alien Covenant was intended to SET-UP and eventually explain...  its a case of IF/WHEN we will ever get the Definite Answer to the Xenomorphs Origins.”

That is what you get when you have a director who is trying to affect the story but who is not a writer.

With the Background to the Franchise, Ripley's and Xenomorphs are just a smaller % of what else they could cover, the Franchise has hinted/teased as Humanity wishing to make New Starts on New Worlds, Genetic Manipulation, Creation of AI beings, that could want their own World/Life, the conflict between Weyland and Yutani, Space Exploration, the Colonial Marines and conflicts with Rogue Factions, AWOL AI, and what other Bug Hunts (Dangerous Life-Forms) they have encountered.

There is a slight indication of other Alien Races after ALIEN, for instance the Arcturian Poontang and so who are the Arcturians?

Thats before we even touch upon the SCOPE that Prometheus had opened up.... The Engineers, not only their Society/History or the Horrific Creations the $%£%^$ had been creating on LV-223 and other Installations. 

The Who Created them, Who else have they Created Plot, is kind of Limitless as far as Worlds, Species and Conflicts...

But the Bottom Line is the Curse/Shackles that ANY Franchise movie has to be about Ripley and Xenomorphs and a majority would expect any Franchise Movie, TV Show or Spin Off would have to cover ONE of those aspects.

So as Ignorant Guy points out.... this could mean the Franchise could just become YAWN!

I guess for some its better than nothing, and it may come across as a slightly more Polished/Higher Resolution set of extended Alien Isolation Cut Scenes, but i think it would please those who wanted more about Amanda Ripley, but some may be disappointed we are not having a LIVE Action TV Series instead.

That would be a Financial Risk, and would Limit how much Xenomorph related Scenes you have due to Special Effects, and on a Budget could risk having more Weaker CGI than we saw in Alien Covenant.

And as Thoughts_Dreams pointed out, eventually we have to concentrate more on the Ripley Saga... be it CGI TV Series, Live Action or a Movie..  And likewise how many times can we see Xenomorph, Egg, Face Hugger and Queens?

The Xenomorph Aspect is something that would cost quite a lot of Money unless its shown to lesser degree than even in ALIEN... because depending on Budget you could end up with CGI that sits between Alien 3 and Alien Covenant, and Practical Xenomorphs that could look more like AVPR!

To do the Monster Justice would require a Good Special Effects Budget, but then its about Finding the Right Plot and then Characters, and i am not sure that bringing out a Alien Isolation or Aliens like Repeating Plot/Tropes would be something they can continue to do over and over and make a Good Return on a Expensive Budget.

So i guess this is WHY a CGI Animated Series is less of a risk, but it could be the way to go for Disney, even though it could relegate the Franchise to more like what the Starship Troopers is NOW like.

There potentially is more to the Franchise in light of the Prequels, than Humans and Marine Types pitted against Swarms of Alien Organisms, even if they come in slightly different variations....  To continue with such a path would make the Franchise a Starship Troopers with Xenomorphs!

Maybe it will work, I am not sure. My only complaint about it is that why have another Ripley? Is it so difficult for them to come up with new characters? Sure the characters in the prequels were mostly lame but at least they tried something new.

Yawn ... they expand the cut-scene and they have a new series? 

Yawn 

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It was all fun and games until it invaded my video watching.

Certainly David had made a few errors of Judgement, i just feel that IF he already had those Eggs on Planet 4, he would have turned to Re-Engineering them, and not as it seemed indicated, taking the Neomorph Spores and Black Goo and Cross-Hybrid these with traits of Various Life on the Planet to Create the Xenomorph.

Regarding any 100% Proof, unless anything is shown Theatrically with No Question to its explanation, then its open for debate and change... Much like the EGG MORPH... it never appeared in any of the Movies apart from Alien DC and for all intensive purposes unless any future movie shows us a EGG MORPH then it CAN-NOT be considered as 100% Existed.

So what i am saying is this leaves it open to change the Xenomorphs Origins, its as i said before.. what Ridley Scott says which is intended to be the 100% Truth is always Subject to Change unless its been shown Concrete in the Theatrical or Home Video release of the Movie, so its as a example RS had mentioned the Space Jockey Event was Thousands of years ago, going further to say it was within a FEW Hundred years of the LV-223 Outbreak which gives us a 1800-2200 years ago Ball Park.  But Alien Covenants Plot would contradict this comment by Ridley Scott.. so by the same token, the David Created it Arc could be CHANGED.

The movie does-not suggest David Discovered the Eggs, which kind of helps to avoid WHY the Engineers would keep them and WHY in that Complex/Cathedral...  But some of his comments in the Advent could indicate this place was used for Sacrificial Rituals.   By Virtue of him saying the Engineers knew they had to give LIFE to both the Wolf and the Lamb and when he said he has Found his Wolf... we can assume thats his Xenomorph, and so the Engineers had their own prior (but could mean the Black Goo experiments on LV-223).

I actually think in HINDSIGHT they should never had even gone the Direct Prequel route...  you never had to do this to introduce the Xenomorph, and especially HOW the Eggs got on a Derelict, you only needed some clues to show the Engineers more concretely had storage of Eggs from thousands of years ago..

A lot of Fans are upset with the David Creator Plot, and the Dr Shaw not having much to do with the movie but to a lot to do with Davids Creation...   But the Source i had from Feb 2015 (which was taken from a October 2014 draft) claimed that there would be TWO Xenomorph related Monsters, and ONE is something David had Re-Created. and they indicated Dr Shaws role was Small but Vital to that Creation.

IF this source was correct though, they descriptions they gave for the TWO Monsters are different to the Xenomorph.  They broke down full details of each, but in a Cryptic Manner such as ONE was Pale and Transparent to a degree, and ONE had Kind of  Eyes the other None, ONE had the Dorsal Tubes, the other just Spines/Spikes.  They gave few more details like that but never said it like "one had no eyes, Dorsal Tubes but is Pale in Color etc"

The Main thing they said was that ONE was based on the Necronom IV and Ultramorph Concepts and the other was based off the Original Concept but a Fresher Take on it... now the Original Concept was based off Necronom IV, and they said they was NOT Xenomorphs but similar, so the other could not be based of HR Gigers Xenomorph Concepts either.  

Sorry this gone bit off Topic... but assuming the Source was correct, then it showed even as far back as 2014 they had intended to have David conduct Experiments to Re-Create IT... the IT being a Deacon/Xenomorph but by the descriptions he would have created something SIMILAR. but NOT the Original Xenomorph.

If this is TRUE then it would seem they carried over a similar PLOT.. but then RS came up with the Curve-Ball.. "you know what... lets not have David Re-Create his own version, lets have him be the Creator of the Original"

But if we assume David was Originally just going to Create his OWN version of it, then this is something they could still show us that he has done.

I actually think it's an interesting Angle that David isn't as smart as we or he thinks he is.In Covenants prologue Peter Wetland dismissed his rendition Of Wagner's "The entry of the gods into Valhalla" as being "anemic with out the orchestra" and later on Walter corrects David that is was Shelly NOT Byron.David through out the film is shown to be imperfect, I felt it was natural that he might attempt to recreate the xenomorph only to fall short with the "protomorph" falling short of being the perfect organism.

A bit off topic lol.As for Scott saying David created the xenomorph, it's comparable to him saying Rick Deckard is a replicant all the while Harrison Ford and Hampton Rancher say Deckard is not a Replicant. But both John Logan and Dante Harper back Ridley up on this, So as far as Covenant is concerned... David created the xenomorph.