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Hope everyone had a Festive and Great Holiday Period and may 2019 be a Year of more Good Times, and Better Luck for those who have had a lot of Bad Luck/News.
I think those who dont want to have Spoilers, are better off just avoiding sites such as this, but there are many other kinds of Forum where Fans Engage and Discus about Movies. And so there is always the potential for things to get Spoiled..
A Flaw with this Site is there is no SPOILER system, where a post can be hidden as a Spoiler and only when the Spoiler Tag is clicked that the contents of the Reply is made Visible and then its NO Fault of the Poster but only those who choose to click on the contents who can blames themselves.
Its curious to make a Topic that may be a Spoiler, to simply Label the Topic as SPOILER and also not given away the Spoiler in the Tittle. For Example.
SPOILER... Star Wars EP 9 Luke is not Dead, Kills FINN
should be titled
SPOILER... Star Wars EP9 Potential Big Shock and Death
The best advice for anyone to not want to be spoiled is to avoid a lot of media outlets until the movie is released and you go and see it.
Well shit,i just looked.It was December 26 at 9:28 p.m.
So two years today.
Lmao i caught it!I'm here to stay.I'm actually a couple days shy of two years on here,i joined December 28th 2016 i believe after Covenant's Christmas trailer drop.
ninXeno426 You and I have a relatively long history here. You have been around long enough to feel confident that Forum members notice your history here. Hollidays aside, get back on the horse and ride, Brother!
Oopsy- this should have been a PM, but it comes prior to Boxing Day- So.....so what, you boring little fuck!
We are always here for you, Brother!
You have never been a boring little fuck. Hopefully you get the salty reference
dk it has been a rough year for most every one i know.Today has been a good day at least for my family.Whether anyone celebrates the holiday or not i wish you nothing but the best.
Definitely!The cast is my favorite part of the movie.I love Resurrection for playing as if Alien were a trashy B movie lol.It's got a very fun comic book vibe about it.
Merry Christmas everyone! I hope everyone had an awesome day. Here's to an exciting new year!
ninXeno426 Thanks and I wish the same for you and the Forum.
I joke around a lot, but I have spent a lot trying to help others with loss and depression this year. This time of year is f!cked up for many. Christmas is over depending on where we are geographically and not everyone recognizes the holliday anyway.
The solution seems to be trying to be cool to each other year round......except for those Ash types.
Same here, that's where I got it from haha. Must be that targeted advertising lol
I see that all the time on Facebook lol.Xenomorph Queen style.
Happy Christmas and Happy Holiday's ninXeno426
All the best for the new year!
Cheers
First and for most .. ALL of these responses are Brilliant!!!! I actually had to take time and re-read these responses over and over to make sure I understand what was stated.
Isn't it amazing the beliefs of Peter Weyland and Elizabeth Shaw? Peter Weyland for the most part had a belief somewhat similar to Ancient History where the God's are many with different powers and attributes, yet Elizabeth Shaw believed in the power of one God.
The Illustrious Peter Weyland has always been a fascination to me even though the small roles that he had within the Prometheus and Alien Covenant. Every time I watch the beginning scene with Peter Weyland and David, I always compare Mr. Weyland to those who sought immortality ( Fiction characters: The Epic of Gilgamesh, Darth Plagueis the Wise). Peter Weyland was literally larger than life itself and like many larger than life individuals not realizing their actions to seek something literally "divine" would end up having terrible consequences for the rest of the future soon to come (In Peter Weylans case, David and the Xenomorphs). Which then the question lies .. how far should one's ambition extend?
Since Puppet combo won't be able to finish POBTS at the end of this year, he is instead working on another Christmas slasher game similar to another game he made called Feed me Billy. It's called Christmas Massacre, and you take control of a killer dressed in Santa costume and you break into people's homes and try to kill them without getting caught.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ymNCSSBJV4
More gameplay footage:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bryg57zlnU9/
I can't wait to play it.
The best way to display Carter Burke, in my opinion, is to have a shotgun to the heart, a pistol to the temple, and a xenomorph ready to punch a hole in the back of his bowl cut.
ninXeno426 Original Sin in next on my hit-list! Can't wait to give it a read, I love Resurrection too. It has the best artistic/visual styling of the Alien films, and the best shit-kicker characters since the original film.
The premise of Steel Egg as the 'original encounter' just piqued my interest too much to wait lol .
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What about the "baby" alien back-busting/mouth-busting in "Covenant"?
Was it not something?"
And not forget the other Experiments by David that we only had mere glimpses of.... so indeed they tried to bring in something NEW but it just never had the Screen Time they deserved.
Ridley Scott claimed the Xenomorph would have Regenerated, i am sure some ALIEN fans who saw the Xenomorph as a Unstoppable Force
But its a bit of a silly comment... how does this work? Cut off a Xenomorphs Arms and TWO Xenomorphs will grow from this? We saw Rapid Regeneration with the Hammerpedes and Ripley 8 and so it maybe cant be ruled out.
Certainly contradicts ALIENS a bit, depends on how fast this Regeneration is..
I think a interesting way to explore Regeneration would be a Xenomorph has limited Life Span (ideal for a Weapon) and when it Natural Dies or is Killed, its remains will degrade but go into some active Chemical/Biological Process were from its Remains, these Melt down to produce a Mass on the Floor which Grows a Egg, or Few.
Even having the Neomorph do the same, (from its dead body, will sprout a number of Spores) i feel is a interesting idea to explore.
Shame we never got to have the Screen time the Beasts had, that they deserved.
Indeed totally agree on Stupid Choices.... people have to make them to drive a Plot Along....
In ALIEN letting the Xenomorph on board was Extremely Stupid only Ripley Seemed to be aware of the Potential Risk, much like Vickers in Prometheus.
Stupid ASH!!!! But then thats when the Twist came in about the Android and Special Order 937 which i think was a Master Stroke as far as a viable way to do something rather silly.... revealing that Agenda and the Crew were Expendable was one of the Best Plot points in ALIEN.
I think ALIENS has its good points, it a Top Top Action Flick, not many Flaws, i would say Alien has as many Flaws (which is a small number).
But for some the route of ALIENS had not taken into account the Back Plot from Starbeast i have heard Alien Fans say the Xenomorph was made to be Weak in Aliens and Stupid.... i argue against that because in ALIEN all the Xenomorph did was go around killing people, it uses Stealth and was a Great Hunter but did not come across as a Super Intelligent Species. Also the Alien Crew were not trained for Military or had access to Marines Weapons and even if they did, they knew the risk of killing the Xenomorph would be risky for the potential of a Hull Breach (Acid Blood Master Stroke Plot).
If the the Xenomorph killed Ripley, and then landed on Earth say, and got out, then a Military Contingent in a open spaced Environment Armed to the Teeth would make Short Work of the Xenomorph... surely it was not as indestructible as the T-1000 Terminator.
Camerons Aliens were torn to Shreds a little to Easy though, the same for AVP movies and Alien Resurrection. They did show Intelligence However.. more so than the Xenomorph in ALIEN.
I think what BUGS a lot of those who liked Alien Concepts, and thought it was a missed opportunity are based on the more ALIEN Nature and concepts that was dropped for ALIEN as some of these would have given a different outlook to the Xenomorph and would have made a sequel going the BUGS route become something contradicting.
We have to accept the BUGS.... it makes sense to a extent...
What they should have done is use Alien Covenant to EVOLVE the Beast.... David Creating the Xenomorph has upset many, RS feels its a good idea as it shows how Dangerous it was to Create a AI like David and take him on a Journey to meet our Makers... and discover the Bio-Weapons the Engineers had created. And he then uses this to Create the Xenomorph.
Instead having David Create his own Version, that is more Evolved, and potentially can become more closer to the Star Beast would have been a much better route to take. This fits with RS idea of the Danger David posses by him creating a Horrific Bio-Weapon... it would show that Mankinds Creation had Created a more Perfect Creation than Mankind and Engineers ever could.
But some Fans wanted to see how the Original Xenomorph came to be and the Space Jockey/Derelict explained... which means a Spoon Fed... Plot that has to Literally connect to ALIEN, which means Davids Xenomorph would have to thus become the Cargo on the Derelict.
We can all wonder what would happened if the Egg Morph was in the Theatrical Movie... and if they introduced a Xenomorph that would Imitate a Humans Voice.... and could lead to us to the Beast being more like the Starbeast Plot.
We would have not got Camerons ALIEN BUGS then!
But those kinds of plans that never went ahead for the Xenomorph could be used in another Organism or Race, or as a Evolved Xenomorph be that Naturally or via Experiments.
Aww that’s so sweet dk, thank you! XX
I have to have the Newborn. That's incredible.
Thank you Dark Nebula. I'm partial to the Alien 3 Xenomorph as well.
I've been going through Titan Books Complete Aliens Omnibus novel re-releases. Some of these were damn hard to find as a paperback release so these eReader packages are great, to finally be able to read the ones you may have missed.
They have the novels paired as a single release.
ie. currently reading Vol 6 which has Cauldron and Steel Egg together!!
Sorry dk I couldn't get it to embed either. damnable facebook video's.
Regarding a game,the only thing i know about Alien Blackout (if that's indeed what it's to be called)is that it will be tied to Covenant and Prometheus some how.All that's really been said is that it'll take place in the now expanded universe.
And a final (for now) thought:
What about the "baby" alien back-busting/mouth-busting in "Covenant"?
Was it not something?
And, Leto, thanks!
In your way, you said it all.
Cameron's Marines called the Alien "just another bug", as if the universe was plenty of them - not something the original crew's reaction on "Alien" would suggest.
In this sense, I do prefer the bugs on "Men in Black" - block-bustering speaking...
BigDave, hi!
You quoted me on,
"How come Newt's parents found it suitable to go check an alien spacecraft with children on-board in their kind of "urbane" colony vehicle?
You may say the scene didn't go on for the theatrical version, but Cameron shot it anyway - because Cameron is what he is."
And I actually said that, because the main critiscism about "Prometheus" and "Covenant" has been "stupid characters" and/or "stupid characters acting on a blessed stupidity-proof franchise" over a specific film ("Aliens") that was conceived (someone else's opinion, not mine) "to be a pefect reflection of the SMART BADASSES EVER!"
Let me be clear about something on my reasons and opinion: CAMERON SUCKS AS A DIRECTOR, block -buster box office results apart and "Aliens" apart.
I would never have given Cameron a second thought had he not messed with "Alien" in the 80's and had he kept his mouth shut when talking about Sir Ridley Scott's works on the original concept of "Alien" - "Prometheus" and "Covenant" - not so long ago.
Cameron, "powerful" as he had been before (because of "Terminator") and he may be now (because of "Titanic" and "Avatar"), does not know when not to talk, both in filmaking as in being the third person on a successful realtionship (Sir RS + "Alien").
I came to this site years ago because of and only because of "Prometheus" - and my song remains the same :)
I could consider a book to be something special too. It just depends on how good the story is.
We need something special that's in a special format in my opinion. Of course, other people's definition of special varies.
I do hope it's not for another game and we would actually get an almost-canon comic book or a widely broadcasted T.V. show. I don't play video games, so I would just miss out on all of this story.
I really do hope it's a movie. I don't mind comic books as long as it's not much just for the sake of making a comic book. The ALIEN franchise is saturated with those comic books already.
I've been buying the new ALIEN3 comic books because these are unique, original, and had the potential of being canon. They are something special, that is for sure.
Any ALIEN movie is something special too, so I just hope we get something special.
I don't consider video games to be special. I would consider a short T.V. series as something special; that is as long as it doesn't just get dragged out. There's got to be a logical and well thought out ending.
That would make a lot of sense...
Bugs can be very Dangerous...
If we looked at something similar to "It Came from the Desert" should some accident or experiment lead to Tens of Thousands of Giant Horse Sized Ants, these would potentially be a Massive Threat to the Eco System.
IF Such a thing happened Hundreds of Years ago, then its possible that Mankind on the infected Continent/Island would be overran and wiped out by Giant Ants.
So Camerons Aliens are Dangerous... the 1979 Xenomorph would be less Dangerous IMO if they decided to go for the Egg Morph Procreation... by Dangerous i mean as in Mass Egg Production is more efficient.
But i do think the BUGS route, is something that reduces the Xenomorph from being interesting and sinister.
A Movie about AI that Mass Produces Killing Machines like Robocop ED-209 or even like the Chappie Plot as far as the MOOSE Robot would offer a Killing Machine thats more of a threat than Androids like David, or even the Terminator T-800's but they would just not be as interesting.
Why i feel the route the Xenomorph had taken, by being just a Bio-Weapon that can Procreate via a Queen, has limited scope, as there is only so much you can do with this route.
So what i am saying is WHILE we have ALIENS that gave us something interesting and a Good Action Movie... the revelations about the Xenomorph does not make them Sinister. Thus it becomes the Motives behind who would Create such a Organism or intend to use it for a purpose becomes the more Sinister Plot.
Because alone... there is IMO only so much you can do with the Xenomorph as far as those Eggs, and introducing a Queen is the method of their creation. Unless the Xenomorph is shown to have a more Civilized Purpose and Agenda and become a Alien Species that has more than a Agenda to merely Procreate.
so what i am saying LETO is that i agree with your first reply in this Topic, in that the beast can have more LIFE if they Evolve it or introduce more of a Agenda for the Species, than merely having ONE Natural Instinct... Procreate.
I think this is interesting...
The Question would be WHY.... if we look at Prometheus/Alien Covenant as Canon.... then obtaining the Black Goo to use as a Bio-Weapon makes more sense!
However.... if the reveal is that AI is running the show, then a sinister Plot like this makes perfect sense. IMO
But we have to accept what we got.... another thing to consider is back at the time of ALIEN Ridley Scott had looked at and wanted the Xenomorph to have elements of a Reptile and Insect i its Genetic Make up. And so the Insect Influence was there in RS mind before Cameron and his Aliens came along.
You don't understand. Please, let me explain about bugs. This is not about genes, behaviors, abilities, forms or another stuff. No. People call Cameron's aliens "bugs" because they weak. Bugs are weak. And Cameron's aliens weak. So, they are bugs. nothing more.
I think the viable outcome for such things DK could come from Video Games, as Games are very Cinematic Nowadays and so the use of Cinematic Scenes in Video Games could be a way to explore certain things and if these New Ideas go down well, they could consider taking it further by going the TV Short route.
For Example a Cinematic Game, thats Survival Horror that is different to Alien Isolation, but also not all out Action like Colonial Marines could be a viable option.
a Survival Horror like the Perspective of Isolation, that has Guns and more Action and so would be more in the MOLD of a Resident Evil.
For example... playing a Perspective of a incoming Mission to Investigate the Aftermath of Prometheus or Alien Covenant and so exploring Planet 4 and what horrors are left behind. or LV-223.
We are never going maybe get those places explored in such manner on Screen. A Book would be viable, but a Video Game would give us a more Cinematic Experience that places us in the Peril... And could really work if done well.
" The beast is not cooked and never will be."
I think its more a case of personal opinion, the beast is cooked to some, and not to others. The Problem is the Formula they used in the Franchise as far as the Camerons Egg Laid Xenomorphs... really becomes tricky to introduce the same type of PLOT/THREAT over and over before it could become Repetitive.
But some fans would not mind a ALIENS 3, ALIENS 4, ALIENS 5 etc.... Run, Hide, Shoot and get killed. i think there is only so much of that you can do On Screen.
I think you need something fresh, and maybe Evolve the Plot and Organism.... But its hard to do because a ALIEN movie had put all its EGGS into One Basket in that any ALIEN movie (Prefix) would have to be about the Xenomorph in some form. Evolve the Xenomorph to something that is distant to the Original and some fans would just not be happy or see a connection (Deacon, Neomorph) for example...
If Alien Covenant did-not show David Created the Xenomorph, but he experimented on the Engineers Xenomorph to Create Neomorphs.... and then Alien Awakening was a movie about Neomorph like Organisms.
Some fans would feel this is not a ALIEN movie without some kind of Egg/Face Huger Stage. I think if they went for this PLOT in Alien Covenant they could have explored in sequels that the Neomorph Organism could infect a Host so that it either Egg Morphed, or the Hosts Body would decompose a bit and form a Organic Mass that similar looking Spore Pods would Grow from..
Thus Propagating the Procreation of the Organism. But for some fans they would Lament for the Xenomorph and Queen.
The beast never been cooked. Ridley said that "the beast is cooked", but it's not a fact and not a truth (some people undoubtedly believed him). It's just the emotional words of disappointment man. We meet alien in 79 movie, we go into the hive in Aliens, we have another subspecies in Alien 3, we get mutants and hybrids in AR. And more alien creatures in Prometheus & Alien Covenant. Finally we saw the protomorph. The beast is not cooked and never will be.
"As I said the beast is cooked, but only so long as Fox recycle the creature. However, if the creature is evolved in some new, refreshing way that stays true to the core appeal of the franchise then the beast can become relevant and prominent again"
Indeed RS had indicated about this in some of his comments where he felt you could go a FEW MORE ROUNDS with the Xenomorph... but you have to Evolve it, he made a reference to that in one of his Interviews were he said the Franchise has to be about HIM, but you have to EVOLVE HIM... now this appeared to be about the Xenomorph, but it could have been about David but i feel that is unlikely and so he was referring to the Xenomorph.
REGARDING how we got Camerons ALIENS
Again i have to go back to that ALIEN in those days prior to Internet (Mainstream) and Smart Phones and so limited ways to communicate and get information..
Back then not every person who ever saw ALIEN would be aware of the Starbeast Draft/Plot or the Planned Separate Egg Silo and Temple. And so what we was left with was the Derelict and the Egg Cargo and it was a case of where do we go from here...
Introducing the Hadleys Hope Colony Plot, helped to introduce us to the Potential Danger a Xenomorph Outbreak would cause, and then set up a Plot where we could connect with the Characters and Loss of the Colony, using NEWT as this Proxy.
Then we had to look at HOW to expand upon the Xenomorph, and they chose to NOT incorporate what they did-not from STARBEAST and they chose to not incorporate the Egg Morph from the DC Cut. so then you would have to ASK.... how could those Eggs had came to be?
Then we have to consider most EGGS are laid by a Organism, which then means do we make a connection between Xenomorph and a Bird, Reptile, Amphibian and in doing so, we could look at how these Organisms go on to live a more solidarity Life Once Hatched and Grown to Adults. This may suit the 1979 Xenomorph. but Cameron wanted to introduce them as a Threat that could overrun a Colony and give us a Action Movie... and so introducing Multiple Xenomorphs who work together was the route taken. And when looking at this kind of route then we could be led to this being a kind of Collective like a Bee Hive or Ant Colony. and so going the route of the Eggs being more connected to the Insect Domain is what we got. A Organism that would go on to Create Colonies/Hives like Termites and Ants is what they went for, as it shows the Threat the Xenomorphs pose when they overrun a world and follow a common Goal/Cause instead of acting Individually.
So Logically it seemed Appropriate to have those Eggs come from being LAID. The Starbeast/Alien DC method of Procreation of the Eggs was something different and interesting but it was something they passed upon. And so a Egg Laying Species that would have a Queen that creates the Eggs and acts more like a Invasive Species is the route they went, as opposed to a Totally Parasitic Organism.
When looking back, they could have consider other ways that Eggs could have been accounted for. Even the David method of using a Technology/Substance/Method of Mixing/Engineering Traits for a Perfect Organism and then using Egg Cells to infect these Traits into them to produce the Eggs. Could have been explored...
This kind of a Plot would have required introducing the Space Jockey ideally as a Race who would carry out such Experiments, were they could then require Test Subjects to Create their Xenomorph Eggs from.... and so introduce a Plot of a Race that would go around and Capture Humanoid or Suitable Organisms to USE their Egg Cells as the Basis to Evolve them into Xenomorph Eggs. Maybe this kind of a Plot could have been better for a ALIEN sequel.
But then its a bit complicated, and a Egg Laying Queen Organism is a more simplified route..... but then so would have been using the Egg Morph route... a Simple Method that also would have introduced something Sinister about the Procreation... and to a degree followed STARBEAST only not as in how Civilized the Xenomorph could have become.
I think thats what BUGS a lot of ALIEN fans was the Potential to have the Xenomorph as a more Social Organism with Intent and Menace, rather than being a Organism that just Procreates on Pure Survival Instincts like a Ant Colony. But there was not much in ALIEN or even ALIEN DC that would show us the Xenomorph was 100% a Intelligent Species like Starbeast had indicated.
There was plans for this... but scenes never got shot... if ALIEN ended as RS had planed at One Point (Xenomorph Kills Ripley and then Impersonates he Voice to Lure in a Rescue Mission) then a ALIEN 2 would have gone a different route, to the BUGS.
But we have to accept what we got.... another thing to consider is back at the time of ALIEN Ridley Scott had looked at and wanted the Xenomorph to have elements of a Reptile and Insect i its Genetic Make up. And so the Insect Influence was there in RS mind before Cameron and his Aliens came along.
"RS came along way later and wanted to do prequels. He lamented on how nobody perused the SJ and went from there. "
I think that was what was they had plans for, and at first the Prequels would have had something that would have pleased the Fan Boys... RS had even way prior to the Prequels, he had concluded that in his opinion the Xenomorph was merely just a Biological Weapon that the Space Jockey Race used and Engineered.
The Problem is ONCE we go this route and do a movie that confirms HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph was Created and WHY it becomes difficult to then Proceed with other movies after revealing the Xenomorph is to the Engineers just as a Chemical Weapon is to Mankind. (i am talking about at the time the Prequels were being conceptualized).
The other thing not answered in ALIEN and something that had never been show was the Space Jockey Race, and so this is when THEY had agreed that you maybe dont need to do a Movie that has the Xenomorph, for us to find out who the Space Jockey was and then also potentially what role the Xenomorph was to them. A Movie like Alien Engineers if this was made, would have had Xenomorphs but then it would have lead expectation that a sequel would have to also follow the Xenomorphs, because just as Gavin had mentioned a movie that contains the ALIEN Prefix would have been expected to have the Xenomorph, and then a sequel would also have to have the Xenomorph if it was a ALIEN Prefix too... but if the sequel they dropped the Prefix, it could make some not make a connection that its a sequel to Alien Engineers.
The dropping of the Prefix for Prometheus was intended to allow them to show us a Movie thats connected to the Franchise, but would not be going to connect directly to the EVENTS of Alien. Thus setting up the potential to explore the Engineers and Steer Away from that Cargo on the Derelict.
But again FOX had decided to change the Plans again...
We can see the Frustration from RS comments about "I'll give them fu^^ing Aliens". we can see that he felt there was only so much you could do with the Xenomorph and indeed the REASONS for WHY someone would Create it are FAR more interesting to ponder. But certainly the Ball was Dropped as far as WHO they decided would be responsible. A Interesting Curve-ball... but one that i think has Proved to be a mistake...
I think when we look at what becomes of the Franchise, we have to remember that its the Production Company who call the shots.... IF we do get a Alien Covenant 2 and Disney want to have David NOT revealed as the Creator and to introduce HOW the Xenomorph Queen came to be. Then if RS wanted to play a part he would have to try and make compromises, or just say the Movie has to be done MY WAY or i wont play a part in its Production.... Disney could just then replace RS with another Director instead.
Anyway sorry for going OFF TOPIC...
Ridley Scott was busy and the reasons why aRidley Scott ALIEN 2 are similar to why PROMETHEUS 2 never happened...
I have to disagree and will not let Scott off the hook. Cameron had no shortage of demand at that time either and was busy. Scott had enough clout at the time to advance the franchise but chose to not do so. I like how the Quadrilogy played out.
Back to the OT- in hind sight, I think Scott cooked the beast if it has been cooked. He teased us at the end of Prometheus with the Deacon. AC was ok, but he may have done better to stick to his guns instead of saying "I'll give them fu^^ing Aliens".
