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At least we can deduct from the news that Disney is talking to Ridley Scott about a project daliens.

I am as excited to see the Merlin saga as much as I am excited to see The Counselor. I might watch The Counselor next year if wasted time becomes healthy and aliens invaded and stole all other movies on this planet.

That is a great observation ignorantGuy. I thought the same thing when I saw the helmet feeds in The Martian. 

I just played the opening of Outland and it would be hard to tell it apart from Alien if you were only listening. If you wait 5 minutes, the scene looks as if they are on the Nostromo. I'll be able to finish the film later.

Very buff topic Ati. 

I loved both Prometheus and alien covenant. Waiting for confirmation on when the next will begin shooting. Hopefully it doesn't take as long as the wait for covenant did.

"Cameron is really the most pathetic director alive."

Oh, so we have read the same things that has come out of Cameron's mouth daliens. 

He should make movies about fiction and keep his mouth shut about reality. His only contributions to my "Benefit" column are the android Bishop and going industrial with the atmosphere processors in Aliens. I loved The Abyss, as well as, Terminator and Terminator 2. Avatar was great regarding the breakthrough graphics and hopefully the story will be worth a dime (currently valued as fecal matter equivalent) by the time they spend another billion dollars hammering out the sequels.

Most everything James Cameron has said that I read makes the "Curse" column in my analysis. Talented, rich, philanthropic, and shown a total fool when he speaks towards an update on historical facts with his documentary based on "evidence". As long as evidence means not talking to experts and not looking into historical record.

I can get excited about the direction they were heading in prior to 2004's AVP when speaking to Ridley Scott and James Cameron. 

Excellent documentation Ati. I hadn't read this.

hm, I'm not sure whether the root of the problem is within the Alien formula. The novelizations and earlier drafts of the scripts of both Alien Covenant and Prometheus were great. (As BigDave also mentioned) Much of what is in there ends up on the cutting room floor though, and that is what surprises me most.

Many people hated Alien 3, and I agree that it is a troubled movie which probably is because of the development hell it went through. The characters and their motivations are well done however, and you can definitely see Fincher's handiwork all over the movie. Alas studio intervention made this movie worse than it ultimately could have been. 

Thank you Ingeniero.

Ati

Can you find the material to do a seed post for The Martian, a movie which I think could also fit in the broader Alien universe?

My pleasure, Ingeniero. So it's time to watch Outland. Some people say it serves as a brilliant Alien spin-off.

Good point daliens. The codes used for Tennessee and Upworth were for an action outside of safety tolerances on the Alien: Covenant so it seemed like a special circumstance. I can only assume that AI will recognize itself even with "dated" security codes in regards to David citing his code to Mother.

Excellent analysis V I N E T I C U M. Thank you for sharing and I agree that in addition to an origin story, Ridley Scott has shown that our ambition and carelessness can create a vessel for evil beyond our imagination and it's headed towards our most precious loved ones on Earth. Sounds familiar.

Thank you chli for trying to tackle this.

Although not considered canon by many, there is a special thanks to a 20th Century Fox rep in the credits Prometheus: Life and Death Final Conflict comic. So, I read into this as "some" coordination on content.

The juggernaut in the comics showed the ability to transport to another place and time immediately. This reconciles with David saying "10 years ago" when talking of arriving to Planet 4 to the Covenant crew. I know much of what he said was an obvious lie but he said it...so it's very hard to nail down where Planet 4 actually is.

Thank you for touching on this again ninXeno426.

I've got to catch up.

"The other explanation is Davids Urns hit a Force Field"

That sounds very reasonable when reconciling with what we saw in Alien: Covenant BigDave.

"Another question is how come we don't see any hammerpedes on planet 4? Why the pathogen killed all the "meat" there while on Prometheus mutated the worms?"

Excellent point daliens.

There was an effort to showcase the facehugger bleeding acid when cut attempting to save Lope but I don't remember the floor collapsing from acid under the shredded neomorph Captain Oram let his frustration out on. 

You are exactly right hox. It is because reasons shared with a list of people that isn't us.

"George Lucas had referred to as the ‘used universe’."

Above.

Has George Lucas ever 'said' anything worthing hearing?

Good riddance Lucas from Disney you unappreciative finger-pointer, Jar Jar creator. He was paid $4 billion and he couldn't be thankful when talking to pervert Charlie Rose. May George Lucas and Charlie Rose get married eventually and share their years with each other discussing how they were mistreated during the decades-long pampering marathon they both enjoyed.

Go jam Jar Jar in the dark side of the back of your pants George.

Return of the Jar Jar  to his rightful place.

Thank you for reminding me of Outland Ati.

That was another one I missed as a kid because Dad gave it a thumbs down for language. I got that a lot with the movies I wanted to watch right before bedtime. 

“That movie showed what a good job we’d done with the first movie,” Anderson

That's awesome.

I just watched Event Horizon again...just after you cited it in the Soldier movie analysis...great stuff Ati.

I did go back and watch the 2004 AVP lately too. I'll take what I can get with Lance Henricksen and ancient pyramids and Antarctica.

Thank you BigDave. My end product in mind is mighty ambitious in regards to my tech capability, so with a little growing pains I hope the film will be worth watching.

Good eye dk, thank you. 

Charza

How can an ignorant guy be right? :P But you still have to emphasize on feelings, but my intent was pointing out somethings were blown out of proportion and maybe the root of the problem is the Alien formula. (and yes, AC does not want to depart far from it).

With all of this buzz on the internet, why doesn't RS make more public statements via twitter or something to clear things up? 

Thanks for Comments.

    dk   I have a way to write and to tell a bit confusing, what I wrote are the statements that I aroused by joining the prequel franchise and with the future of Ripley and it seems that RS does not just want to create an origin but also wants to close the circle, highlight that the human race has been annihilated by running behind too great an ambition.
Ripley 8 is the icing on the cake that demonstrates the destroyed world of the wayland-yutani guild obsessed with the creatures of David.
daliens  David 73694-B the code I did not remember in full, but I think this is, this code allows David to have full access to the ship, to note the capsules of the settlers that activate the display as it passes.

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

ignorantGuy

"Milburn and Fifield are charactures, that's true, but they are only 2 of the 17 member crew."

Yes totally, it is almost as if the movie creators wanted to make a statement here, and present these 2 characters as being the apex of "anti science".  
It made me realize something. Within current times there are also a lot of people who call themselves scientists and have degrees in some field.  However they don't actually do a lot in terms of actual science. One of the key things in science is to think outside of the box, push boundries and be open to whatever outcome/evidence actually presents itself. This objectivity is very important in order to do science properly. 

There are many "scientists" nowadays who actually don't operate like that, but instead cling to the theories they have learned in school and never question any of them even though there might be gaps or contradictions within those theories. These people are in reality not so different from the religious fundamentalists who only reason from within their religious scope, and ignore all the rest. Objectivity is certainly not a thing that applies to these people. 
The ancient alien theory for example is very controversial, because many "scientists" don't give it any credit. 
To them the idea of extraterrestrial life, influencing the natural evolution of this planet is outrageous. There is however compelling evidence that certain ancient civilisations indeed might have had contact with something else out there. This however would also mean that humanity as a whole, and all the preconceived notions we have of our history, might need some serious revisions. Prometheus of course deals with this subject, and perhaps the exaggerated and nonsensical personalities of Fifield and Milburn are metaphors for the very subjective establishment, who instead of a commitment to science are more committed to corporate interests. 

Wow, I never actually thought of them that way lol!! 

"Holloway is not straight stupid, he was too brash and eager to make leaps of faith (he found the "invitations" and because the Engineers were producing breathable he assumed that everything was made for human visitation). I don't know what Shaw does wrong however and thank God she did not run around corridors being chased by Xenomorphs. And this crew was also sabotaged."

I actually appreciated the "daredevil" aspect of Holloway's personality. Science indeed can also mean one has to take a leap of faith, and he definitely had that quality. Holloway was also a very driven character. He does however have some serious character flaws as well. He is shown to be arrogant and he is utterly sure of himself. When David for example explains how he de-constructed ancient languages to their roots, and should be able to communicate with the Engineers provided their thesis was correct, Holloway just scoffs at David for even considering the possibility that their thesis might be wrong. Like you also mention, he and Shaw are for some reason utterly convinced that the Engineers of old were "inviting" humans to go to the Zeta binary star system, which is a ridiculous leap in logic. I understand them being excited about the possibilities of ancient aliens in the past who might or might not still be there, but to consider it an "invitation" is just nonsensical. 

One of the biggest screw ups on Shaw's part was the scene where she actively dismisses Jackson and his security team from going with them into the structure as "This is a scientific expedition and that means no weapons".  
Now that is just stupidity on steroids. She has absolutely no idea what's out there and what kind of dangerous situation can present itself. Security should be a mandatory thing, plain and simple. 

BigDave

"why Fifield and Milburn had no access to the map,"

Again this was something the Drafts Addressed .... Fifield thought Milburn had the Map, and Vice Versa  so they forgot it.... this was a bit flawed still and showed that Fifield was incompetent as he basically should have not even considered leaving Milburn the Map..

But Lindeloffs Draft showed us that Fifield was in it for the Money, and a Pot Head and also that Vickers Hired not exactly he best crew, because she maybe wanted the Mission to be a Failure.

I think it is quite clear that Vickers had other interests, I'm not so sure whether she actually wanted the mission to fail, but she definitely wanted to prove something to Peter Weyland. 

As for the map, it could have been easily solved. At a certain point we see how Fifield starts to map the structure with his Pups. We see the data of those pups on the 3D map that is present within the Prometheus, but we also see that Fifield gets data on his wrist computer. He actively uses this computer during the initial exploration of the complex, and even indicates certain points of interest his pups have found, which he reads from his wrist computer. Now the movie at a certain point establishes that the silica storm causes a lot of signal loss, and to me it seemed that Fifield because of that, no longer had access to the mapped data and there respective positions on that map. The only thing the movie had to do here, was clearing that up. It could be a 10 second scene which shows static on Fifield's wrist computer and just shows the audience that there is some serious interference going on there. 

So yeah, all in all I still feel that the original Alien was more convincing, more realistic. Yes there are strange things going on there as well, and the point IgnorantGuy brings up are very valid. It does however feel more realistic like BigDave also states, because the situations still have some degree of plausibility.  

The question is: was David security code already in the system? When he entered the colonists  / embryos bay he used his own code for the first time as Mother addresses him with "Welcome".

David 73694-B

Walter 31564-F

Upworth 14892

Tennessee 04983

The security codes were not used until Alien Covenant. 

LOL! This almost belongs as an April Fools Day thread in a couple of ways.

I understand developing the franchise, but there should be some kind of balance to avoid diluting it. 

I love the franchise thus far but psst....RS- as much as I love it, it will never be the box office crusher of SW. And I like the Alien franchise way more! This is ridiculous.

“We’re looking at doing another one. Something similar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I’ve even discussed the possibility of putting [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie.”
~ James Cameron, BBC One interview, 2003.

God forbid.

Cameron and Blomkamp and the likes of them should keep clear from Alien. All they can do is bring in more guns, more shooting.

Cameron is really the most pathetic director alive.

What would be the point of introducing a new Nostromo and crew so that Alien can be remade? 

I think that all the sequels to Alien  are already canon and that cannot be undone. Even if Ridley Scott does not like the idea of an alien queen he cannot remove that, he has to live with it. The damage is done.

What I would like to be explained is why Ridley Scott wanted to make David the creator of the xenomorph. Being created by a man made android, the xenomorph has become less alien. I really hope he will reconsider this idea and tell us that David only replicated a weapon designed by engineers or another alien civilization. 

Did anyone asked Ridley Scott if David is the creator of the xenomorph? 

Interesting post with some good points. I am unsure if you are posing a question or making a statement though. I also do not understand the Ripley 8/Call pics with the post.

I am just trying to understand.

I was drawn to wondering if RS plans would have been to De-Canon Aliens on wards.

No way. Not at this point in time. I think an aggressive revisionist move like that would cause a back lash. Something like that might lead me to take the Quadrilogy, Prometheus, AC, and yes, AVP (lol) to tune out and live in those movies ignoring anything else except for Bloomkamp's movie if it happened. 

Erasing the other movies would be a huge arrogant dick move imo. If he really felt that strongly about it, he should have done it back then but he didn't. Others picked up the ball and carried on in their own fashion. Sorry, RS, it is too late now.

BigDave

Fifield was shown to be a pothead and Milburn was (maybe a stereotypical) gay geek, he wanted to show of to Fifield how much he knows about animals. Because of his knowledge he thought was in control.

On the other side, if Alien would have been made today it would clearly be accused by many as being SJW.

 "But Kane is plain stupid, Dallas makes very questionable decisions"

Forgot to bring this up in my prior post...  as far as Alien Flaws, i totally agree with this.... apart from those TWO the rest were cautious, Ripley especially and i think the well written Plot for ASH really worked in overriding Protocals because of the Special Order 937

"Mr "Biology" and Mr "in love with rocks" according to their assessment have nothing to contribute in the "Gigantic dead body arena"

LOL love that comment.... ;)

But i have to say Fifield was a dick, he was here for MONEY he never signed up to turning up to a place where Dead Bodies with no Explanation were scattered around...  Lindeloff draft did give some better explanations for those scenes....  my attempt at a Prometheus 2 Re-write also addressed these in a manner that made more sense... No Space Cobra Petting, only a Reaction to a Attacking One.

"why Fifield and Milburn had no access to the map,"

Again this was something the Drafts Addressed .... Fifield thought Milburn had the Map, and Vice Versa  so they forgot it.... this was a bit flawed still and showed that Fifield was incompetent as he basically should have not even considered leaving Milburn the Map..

But Lindeloffs Draft showed us that Fifield was in it for the Money, and a Pot Head and also that Vickers Hired not exactly he best crew, because she maybe wanted the Mission to be a Failure.

"Disney's takeover of Fox scares me a little to be honest"

AND

"it is because of lack of execution"

Totally agree the execution of the ideas was flawed, the idea was good the execution not so good.... as far as Disney goes i agree Disney have taken some Franchises to then over do the same thing over and over...  But Marvel Comics are always aimed at ages 10+ and Star Wars was a  Sci-Fi Fantasy Family flick that would mainly interest a majority of 8+ year olds.

So Disney has made those flicks more for younger generations, for me i feel the ALIEN Franchise is something aimed at 15 year olds...  This Market for Serious Sci-Fi that touches on Horror aimed for the more Mature 15+ Audience is a Feather in Disneys Bow that they simply did not have.

Lets hope they dont feel the need to produce these movies for 12 or unders and think that Milking Xenomorphs and Ripleys is the way forwards.

Regarding the Characters... to a degree i totally agree.. Alien actually felt more like watching a Big Brother lol... Acting was not great (no academy awards here), but seemed real... like we was watching real people thrown into this situation..

It just never seemed SCRIPTED is what i mean...

Prometheus however we have scripted characters only there for the Plot and yes Milburn and Fifield and others did silly things but these where to drive the Plot Along. But this happens in Horror Movies... if everyone was the best of the best then a lot of the Chaos would never happened, the same is with Alien Covenant.

Alien had the same Problems only the way it was Dealt with was a MASTER STROKE... the reveal of ASH and Special Order 937, was very clever Writing.... without Ash, then Ripley would not have let the returning Crew on the Ship and we would have had a Chest Buster outside, then Dallas and Lambert maybe Rushed inside or left outside and a desperate attempt for the Crew inside to get off that World, and trying to prevent the Xenomorph from entering the ship.

"within the novelization these characters actually don't do stupid and inconsiderate things"

Totally agree.. this is what happens though when a movie cant contain as much detail, if anyone read Lindeloffs Paradise Draft it explains many of the silly decisions in Prometheus, that make some of the silly scenes seem much more plausible.

I agree maybe some Fresh Blood is needed for Future Movies ;)

"Completing the prequel movies, but at the end, introduces a new Nostromo and crew so that Alien can be remade, along with the franchise being redefined in its canon."

ridley-scott-de-aging-sigourney-weaver

"And then, when he was asked about the idea of digitally de-aging Weaver to bring her into them, the director added: "You could do that."

I was drawn to wondering if RS plans would have been to De-Canon Aliens on wards.

Removing Aliens as Canon and thus Alien 3 etc.... means any History post 2122 can be re-written and ant history Prior to 2122 would not be so much of a Conflict as it stands with Aliens and Alien 3 as Canon.

Ridley Scotts War of the Worlds Comment would be less contradicting if only ALIEN and the Prequels Existed in Ridley Scotts NEW Franchise Plans..

Batchpool- Then he keels over on premier night before anyone can interview him- what a troll and kick to our balls that would be!

I am going to run the risk of everyone wanting to skewer me alive and slowly dipped in boiling oil. The most horrible thought has occurred to me, but I will share at the risk of becoming the most unpopular member on this forum.

What if,            Ridley         is hinting         at the possibility       of……. ( here  it comes)

Completing the prequel movies, but at the end, introduces a new Nostromo and crew so that Alien can be remade, along with the franchise being redefined in its canon.

There, said it.

Just a thought, and I promise not to mention this again.

Sorry Leto,

In Aliens, when Ripley confronts Burke about him sending the colonists to check the coordinates of the derelict she states the date the message was sent to Hadleys Hope as June 12th, 2179. Aliens is set 57 years after Alien, which make Alien set in 2122. More specifically June 3rd, the date is seen on a monitor display just before the crew of the Nostromo is awoken from hypersleep.

@ Gavin

"We all know that the events depicted in Covenant occur in 2104, 10 years after Prometheus, which was in 2093/94, and that the events in Alien started at 3rd June, 2122, with the events in Alien occurring 57 years later in 2179."

Interesting moment. In Alien movie nowhere is said about the year. And in Aliens too. All what we knows from movies (only one canon source) - 59 years between them. Nothing more.

@ ignorantGuy,

Disney and Fox would never remake Alien. There is too high a probability that said remake would be a commercial and critical failure. Even if a remake was made that was superior to the original in every way the fandom would never accept it, reverence and nostalgia have placed the original movie on to high a pedestal, similar to how the Star Wars original trilogy is perceived.

I think thats a good point...

We have to ask what is AI... and it does not have to mean Crazy Robots... the bigger theme at play is Creation,  and David is to us as we are to the Engineers, only that he is a Synthetic Creation and not a Natural one... But then as RS said in his one interview...  Batty was AI, Rachael was AI

Yet they are Organic.... they are just not created Naturally like how a Human comes from their Parents via Child Birth, and it also shows that the Replicants are Programed not only via Genetics to be Stronger and Faster, but they also have their Brains Programed...   They are Organic Artificially Created beings.

So when RS says the next movie would be about AI more, this does not mean its going to be just about David..... in effect the Xenomorph is AI, it could be our LV-223 Engineers are a form of AI/Replicants.

You have to agree with Thoughts_Dreams that we need more interesting Characters, as every movie after Alien 3,  the Characters were all just Plot Devices really to drive the Plot...   Alien Resurection only Ripley 8 and Call was developed well,  in Prometheus only David and Shaw but then Shaw had some Charateristics that was not well written... Janek, Vickers both played Support Characters, which Janeks was well written...    Alien Covenant only Walter and David seemed to be written with any effort, and i think Daniels and Oram to a degree...

They simply all never had the Character Depth with ALIEN, saying that Aliens had a lot of throw away Characters though, but was more better done than all movies we had seen after Alien 3

I think its one of those things that leaves for for debate, it appears they dont quite stick to what Prometheus had shown, it appears the ideas had changed even in Prometheus by the time we got the movie Edit... which seems to indicate that only the Hammerpedes had Acid Blood, yet earlier Drafts we see Fifield has Acid Blood,  and it appears the Engineers Face Burn was likely from Acid Blood of the Trilobite but this was changed with the Edits and Re-Shoots to be from the Juggernaught Crash.

When looking at Alien Covenant, it appears those Urns that was dropped had either been Primed in a Different way so they was activated to explode and in effect the Weapons Contents had a different effect compared to contamination from a NON-Weaponized/Activated Urn.    I have before mentioned the Atomic Bomb Analogy.  Were the Urns have a number of components and so LV-223 Outbreaks and Infections are like being effected by the Radiation/Leak from Uranium and Plutonium Material.  Where as Davids Bombardment was like when a Nuke Explodes and the Uranium and Plutonium are used as Fuel to Make the Powerful Explosion that Incinerates those in the Blast Radius.

Where those out of the Blast Radius suffer instead the Radioactive effects of the Uranium and Plutonium.   The other explanation is Davids Urns hit a Force Field that caused them to Explode and have a different effect, or indeed this was one Protective Element the other maybe after the Infection some Weapon was set off to Eradicate the Infection by unleashing a Burst of Energy that Burnt those Engineers and prevented any Mutations.

The way i look at the Neomorph Spores is that when the Juggernaught Crashed, some UN-activated Urns had came loose and Spilled the Black Goo to infect the Water Supply that was running down the Mountain were the Juggernaught Crashed, this infected the Water, which in turn infected Spores Growing from Mold near by Water Supplies...    Fungi/Spores are not Plant Life but a type or Organism so they can be infected by the Black Goo.

I would say we would only had seen Hammerpedes if any natural Worm like Organisms got infected with the Black Goo Directly from a Leaked Urn and not Exploding one.   It appears various life would have been infected by the Black Goo via leaking Urns in the Crashed Juggernaught and maybe from effects of Particles from the Bombardment that escaped the Blast Radius.

Holloway Question is a interesting one, which has a number of answers we could look at, especially if we look at the unused Props for his infection.....   We can assume the Back Burster etc is result of infected Fungi/Spores.   It appears Holloway was infected and he would have had tiny Parasitic Worms Multiply inside his body and they would begin to consume his Genetic Material overtime.

@Charza

Milburn and Fifield are charactures, that's true, but they are only 2 of the 17 member crew. Holloway is not straight stupid, he was too brash and eager to make leaps of faith (he found the "invitations" and because the Engineers were producing breathable he assumed that everything was made for human visitation). I don't know what Shaw does wrong however and thank God she did not run around corridors being chased by Xenomorphs. And this crew was also sabotaged.

Now the crew of the Nostromo:

1. The party that visits the derelict is made of the Captain, the Second-in-Command and the pilot, if somehow all died the rest of the mission would have been f...ed.

2. They don't put Kane into hyper-sleep when he gets infected as it is suggested and would have done with Shaw.

3. They don't abort the ship as suggested when Dallas dies, drawing straws who would stay behind.

4. Even Ash is stupid as he keeps suffocating Ripley (even when he is attacked) instead of finishing her and the rest of the crew quickly when his cover is blown.

5. They keep searching for the bloody cat.

I won't mention Kane's shoving his head into the egg especially when he sees something is moving inside of it as it was a first.

I think the Insect Kingdom, route of Camerons Aliens does lead some to speculate if the Procreation is similar, but not all Ants/Bees etc  Procreate via Sex...  certainly not as far as how to obtain a Queen.  Some do require Sex and some only Mate Once and then all the Eggs they ever Produce are automatically fertilized.

The whole Acid Blood debate, appears to be something maybe born from inconsistencies... compared to the Original Concept and Ideas from Alien Engineers, even to Prometheus as things got changed so only the Hammerpedes were shown to have Acid Blood.

so maybe we can now accept that other Creations on Planet 4 had no Acid Blood apart from the Xenomorph.

To continue i agree Charza

The scope set up is HUGE, Prometheus laid down a foundation to suggest that we are not looking at the Gods (Engineers) and Mankind, but that actually we are not unique and there are many worlds these Engineers had seeded.

Ridley Scott also after Alien Covenant, mentioned as there are many versions of Mankind, why cant there be many versions of the Engineers....  he also claimed the Engineers are not a RACE but a Civilization and also called those on Planet 4 the ORIGINAL Engineers.   The source did say that the Engineers (LV-223) actually have more in common with David than Mankind.   This seemed like maybe the source was suggesting those Engineers are Engineered Creations...   Now after Alien Covenant and looking how RS said the Planet 4 Engineers were the Originals it could indeed mean those LV-223 Engineers were in effect to the Planet 4 Engineers, as Replicants are to Humans.

"So we've reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong."

This is the quote that some took as meaning the Engineers did not create Mankind, but i think RS was referring to the Xenomorph, as the purpose of Alien Covenant was just ONE PLOT well it was based around the Main Plot which was Who/Why would someone create such a Horrific Creature, it Felt Bio-Mechnoid, it felt like a Weapon and Alien Covenant was to start to show us this.

So i think what RS meant was  this part "who and why was this thing designed to KILL human beings"

If we replace the Make with KILL then consider what we thought regarding the Engineers and Xenomorph in Prometheus and then get to what Alien Covenant shows us, then indeed we can see that we all maybe thought it would be the Engineers, but we was dead wrong.... it was David.

But as far as the rest of that article, indeed there was a source i had who had suggested a lot of interesting things, which was that Current Mankind are 4th/5th Generation of our Kind and the Engineers are connected within Mankinds Evolution.   There comments were vague and ambiguous but certainly hinted at Mankind being much older than we are thinking, well earlier versions.  So there comments seem to point to the Sacrificial Scene not being on Earth.