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Interesting concept artworks.
Some of these can be found in David's lab:
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Maybe they share some DNA with the piranha from the dim and distant past.
Then there is the Dead Space boss of similar appearance also
@Critters5
Thanks for the Video Link, i actually found some of the Comic Depictions not to good, i would however like to have it revealed the Space Jockey Race is another Race that are either above the Engineers, or the Engineers Stole Technology off, or vice versa.
I would maybe still go for a Space Suit but have the beings inside look less Human than the Engineers, because when i look at HR Gigers Concept, the Space Jockey looks like a Suit, well it looks Bio-Mechanical like the Xenomorph and so not a Skeleton of some Organic Organism.
I do think some ideas from the Comics could be used, such as the Space Jockey Telepathic Ability, if one comunicated with a Human then we would not need Subtitles as we could hear a voice inside the Humans head etc.
I also like the Space Jockey idea of appearing as Benevolent but then having a hidden Malevolent Agenda. The Space Jockey very HR Giger Aesthetic World would be something interesting to see too. I have only read one of those comics but i have seen the images from the others and so back ground information from them was interesting, it appears some of the Atheistic and Scenes from the other comics MAY have influenced some of the Back Ground Plot that Alien Engineers/Prometheus had explored (but not the creation one off course), the one Space Jockey Born Xenomorph does look similar to some of the unused ULTRAMORPH designs too.
@ATI
I can see how that kind of design would fit, because the Space Jockey was the same color as that part behind his back, so we can see how some have designed some ideas that incorporate it as some kind of Back Pack or Shell.
I think these are better designs than the Comics used in that link Critters5 posted, but i would like to see the Space Jockey revealed as some 12ft tall Bio-Mechanical being, much like the Engineers suits, but have the Helmet look more like the one in Alien and the Color a bit different for the whole Creature.
But have it as a mask all the same but under it something not so Human at all.
Also Batchpool neat idea about the separate Egg Silo.
about 5-6 years ago maybe a bit less we had Topics regarding the Egg Chamber and back then i brought up the THUNDERBIRD 2 Ship from Thunderbirds, and pondered could the Derelict Actually attach to the Egg Silo, maybe it does not fit all the way inside like Thunderbird 2 Cargo, but the image of when Thunderbird 2 is raised above its Cargo and about to then drop down onto it, reminded me of maybe how a Separate Egg Silo could attach?
The Egg Silo likely being round in shape, either like a Flying Saucer or a Ball/Egg
However..... even if we think about something like this, the size of the Egg Cargo as shown in Alien would be much larger than the Derelict.
Ive used this Art by Yurii lebediev Organic UFO and if we assume the Egg Silo is this size i have added what i think the Derelict is likely like compared.
I would not take this size comparison too seriously though, i just have a feeling the Alien Egg Chamber appears to be Circular but then it does not quite fit a Donuts Shape, the impression from the Long Shot where Kane Descends is maybe the Cargo Holds are Shaped like the Flower Cake Maker.
Where the RED is the Section we only see, the Dots to show where the Eggs are LOL
So indeed i think again size wise the Cargo Hold would be too large to not only fit under the Derelict but also even as far as a Separate Caro Module, it would be too large to carry but we dont know what Engineer Technology is capable of.
So a Separate Cargo Module the Derelict Collects cant be ruled out, but i think the Theory that the Egg Silo/Chamber is separate seems more suitable.
I think the most Lazy Fix they can give is introduce a more Ancient Juggernaught type Ship that is exactly like the Derelict, but have it appear much larger inside when its explored and also have the Cargo Hold made a bit smaller, but still much larger than you would assume would fit, and EXPLAIN these Ancient Ships had a Technology to make Something Larger inside than Out.... Like Dr Who's TARDIS
A mutant monster baby from The Rift:
Who knows? Perhaps it will be reused, too.
Thanks for those images Batchpool
The first of greater interest as this SET was used for both the Egg Silo and Pilot Chamber, they simply swapped out the Eggs for the Pilot Chair Platform, the whole set is cut off about Half Way.
The shot above is a Matt Painting but they modeled the Set that we see Kane actually walk down and enter the area of the Eggs, was replicated to match up to the Blue Line. I am sure they then used the same SET for the Space Jockey Scene where the Platform was placed where the Green Oval is. So it would appear that the Pilot Chamber was very Large too. As far as if we could have panned to the left and right and looked up.
But in Alien we did not get to see much of the room, and so i think the Alien Isolation DL Marlow and Derelict game content maybe did a good representation of what it could have looked like, i think the Bonus Game did a very good job of the Egg Chamber.
The MOST INTERESTING element of the Game Extra is as they lower themselves into the Cargo Hold they actually go past what looks like a Cave, well Lime Residue of some Caves. But the same kind of feature starts at the top of the Hole, so maybe its the Acid Burnt Hole but it would take some LARGE Acid Spill to cause that much.
Batchpool - Thank you for these concept art! They are from 2011, probably they belong to one of the first versions of Prometheus taking place on LV-426:
'the Engineers were farming eggs well in advance of David'
Before entering the egg room in Alien Covenant, David touches an egg in the lab - not the sliced one. It's only a moment in the movie. That egg had been made by the Engineers, then was found by David on Planet 4. It seems to be obvious that the Engineers are the creators of the original eggs, and David recreated them.
In spite of this fact, it is impossible to tell now who the creators of the eggs on the Derelict are. They can be the Engineers, or David, or a third unknown party as well - since the Engineers could have found the original eggs, too. In short, anything is possible...
BigDave - Thank you for sharing the scuba diver space jockey images. I like the design very much. It would be good to see this version in the Alien prequel.
@daliens
I could try and give my two cents to some of those Questions, but it may end up being a bit off topic, but if anyone wants to know my two cents i will post them. I will roughly cover the Derelict Ship though.
Indeed the idea was TWO separate locations, and HR Giger would have began Production on both the Egg Chamber shots and interior of the Derelict, prior to finding out that they have to combine them as being in the same location (on board the Derelict). I ASSUME the Acid Burn Hole was necessary in the Pilot Chamber if they are going the route to show the Cargo Hold is under the Derelict due to Kane having to descend. So they would have to come up with some way of having a Plot Point for how they would get from the Pilot Room to the Egg Chamber. I will have to read the TWO Alien Drafts to check this out though.
so we are left with the Acid Hole, that appears to be burnt down so its LIKELY the Acid Melted downwards, what can cause this? A Wounded/Dead Xenomorph Organism, be it Adult or a Face Hugger. I struggle to see how a Face Hugger would create that Hole however. THUS leaving the ACID HOLE one of the Bigger Mysteries we have never had a answer for... apart from in one expanded universe Novel, where it was a Killed Xenomorph via a Firefight. That happened way after the Derelict Crashed... if i remember? I have not read the Novel and just only a broad synopsis and few Plot details.
One last thing.... the Space Jockey color does not match those Engineer Suits which have also been there for THOUSANDS of years, this is a Great Point.... however, only the Space Jockey and part of the Chair he is attached to have that Bone Color to them, the rest of the Chair and Chamber is a similar color to the Juggernauts. Which has led to some speculating the Space Jockey must thus be similar to this image.
Ridley Scott had Explained the Space Jockey Event in a bit of detail after Prometheus, but i wont cover it now as what he said has no bearing on the Franchise now with the U-Turn that the Xenomorph is a Creation of Davids.
Its easier to work out the Juggernaught as we have some Schematics.
When we consider this, and the Derelict supposedly being 60% of the Juggernaughts Size, even if we consider them the same size as in height, we can see there is NO WAY the Egg Chamber in ALIEN would fit.
In Alien we can bare in mind the Nostromo Crew enter the Vaginal openings and appear to walk upwards so there is a upward slope to them, and they then climb up to appear via a shaft/gab just beside the Pilot Seats Circular Platform.
In Alien Covenant the Crew of the Covenant enter via a Hole in the Cargo Hole, we can assume at a point similar to where i have marked out in MAGENTA but then in order to enter the Corridor that leads to the Pilot Room they have to descend down. I can give a more in-depth analysis using shots from Alien Covenant, but it could appear the Juggernaught Interior is very odd, and maybe the Entrances that lead to the Internal parts of the Left/Right Arms of the Ship are laid out differently to each other?
Ridley Scott has said the Cargo Hold was part of the Ship however in ALIEN, it would be interesting if we ever see the DERELICT prior to its Crash Landing in future to see how RS covers the Egg Chamber.
Going by the Size of the Exterior and Interior of the Juggernaught and Derelict the only Logical Explantion i have is that the Derelict ships Technology is different and it has a similar Dimensional transcendentalism that Dr Who's Tardis has.
There is quite a bit of inconsistency regarding the dimensions of the Derelict and Juggernaught, i think with the Derelict they should have worked on a full schematic of the ships layout but this was not the case, the Juggernaught did have more work done as far as schematics. The FIRST image i posted i lined again the Vaginal Openings to match approx size but they dont line up as far as the Dome at the Top of the Derelict with the Juggernauts and then the Vaginal openings lining up too. I am referring to the image with the RED box the openings are scaled to approximately the same size, then the domes lined up and the openings of the Derelict Overlay are higher up than the Juggernauts. This shows if the Vaginal Openings are about the same size then the Juggernaught is actually about 2M Taller than the Derelict.
However when looking at actual given sizes the Juggernaught is a C Shape and its size in Diameter is about 300M mark, the Derelict is a average of 60% of the Juggernauts given size, The Derelict being a U Shape its Diameter cant be worked out to well, unless we take Two different X/Y measurements which give us 160M X 180M Approx.
So from this we can even more so see the Cargo Hold in Alien Cannot fit under the Pilot Room.
Another interesting error is the interior of the Derelict as far as Pilot Room and the size of the Entry Points to the Left and Right are WAY more larger than the Juggernaught showing the interior height of the Corridors is much larger on the Derelict.
The Juggernauts Entrances (to Pilot Room) if i remember right are about 10ft tall, they are not shown in this image, and the scale may seem off but we need to remember the SJ shot is using only 4ft Child Actors in this shot.
So a lot of inconsistency have caused us problems which leads to debates such as this Topic.
