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Thank you for the idea, it's a good idea I think.

Can it be done? - I don't know. :)

I don't know anything about the world of 'fair use abuse'... :D

Ingeniero - Glad you like it.

BigDave - That Fifield mutant in the image you posted looks/looked awesome. I don't understand why they did not use that version!!!

BigDave - 'I feel when Holloway Realized he wont meet our makers, and will have no answers to OUR creation, he turned his disappointment onto a attack on David, because David knows his Creator and Reason for Creation, David has his Answers... where as Holloway does not have his...'

A remarkable and probably true idea!

Ingeniero - Oh, I remember, you started fantastic threads about Holloway and Shaw. 8)

daliens - 'Prometheus - why was everyone so unpleasant?'

:DDDD

 Excuse me, sir. Do you have Prince Albert in a can? You do? Well, you better let the poor guy out! 

'Weyland Industries scrubbed the Engineers' civilization from material they released to the public.'

Exactly!

Earth - Suddenly everybody wants to go to space. Soon they are building a space station orbiting the Moon, different nations/organizations are building bases on the Moon - at least three. Musk, Nasa, and other parties want to reach Mars with manned missions by 2025.

What do you think why?

We - ordinary people - know nothing.

Elizabeth Shore??

How come no one mentioned this emperor

DARTH L JACKSON

Exactly MonsterZero. Two potential scenarios are that the probes sent back images scrubbed by Engineers' tech to only show the flora and fauna in the return feeds and mask the Engineers and their works from return feeds; or Weyland Industries scrubbed the Engineers' civilization from material they released to the public or compartmentalized their awareness of the Engineers internally and didn't release squat publicly.

This concept described above may be hard for us to understand because government and corporations have always been forthcoming in delivering the truth and we are not used to being lied to. Ha.

Here is the corporate announcement BigDave for the discovery of LV-426:

Great point BigDave. Why travel to LV-223 when you can just hack and read all the incoming feedback from the Weyland Industries mission with Yutani's technical reach in communications?

Ken Foree

Don't forget Mr. Melville.

I believe that it all breaks down to an overabundance of starch in the scarf.

That mural image above is great Ati. Thank you for the topic.

"imagine a scene where David allows the face hugger to crawl over him in the egg chamber before it latches on to Oram etc n u get a much better movie." Very good ali81. That would work if the lavender balm David somehow talks Oram into wiping under his nose (novelization) was more potent. Great setting...slimy facehugger filth slow-crawling toward Oram....good stuff.

"We see a Hammerpede blasted and see tiny Alieny Eggs inside"...that is great BigDave. I really enjoyed the science-side of Alien: Covenant with David's drawings and the Advent message. Thank you for sharing details of your work.

Thank you for the kind words IRaptus.

We can debate the minutia of format.

I'm thinking an Alien version of Amazing Stories from the 80's or exactly as dk wrote above in the Twilight Zone format...small weird shorts from all angles and all Alien related.

The topics from Ati and ali81 provide great background on the authors/artists. This is a great idea. We can coalesce the video shorts at the very least (low risk of fair use abuse) into a topic that has all of them or a longer compilation (higher risk of fair use offense).

If we start a new topic to house the video shorts, I just ask that someone else author and start the topic because I am working on my own video shorts and I refer to my own work enough already with that.

Process

I'd be glad to go and "Like" all the video shorts on YouTube that we wish to show and then create a playlist of all the video shorts to play in a row, then embed it in the topic. And create any opening/closing or transition videos/trailers that explain the scified.com's intentions...to embed it in the topic...I would gladly create those for the topic too.

My ideas above...can't wait to hear others'.

It can and will be done.

The Milburn Chest Buster i had a idea of something like a cross between those two concepts, it would have been the size of a New Born Baby.  The Fifield like a cross between those two concepts and with elongated limps would have made him 7ft+ tall.

The Hammerpede Eggs i envisioned as being like a cross between Xenomorph Eggs and Gremlins Cocoons, they would be about Pea Sized and have no visible Petal like openings like the Xenomorph Eggs, they would instead hatch like the Gremlins Cocoons do. (but we dont see any hatch).

The clues that the Hammerpede Laid a Egg inside that hatched/gestated into a Hybrid Organism.

The Mural Room, having a Mural showing the Sacrificial Ritual of a Egg Like Spore, a Face Hugger Like Creature and then a Chest Burster like Creature.  Similar to HR Gigers minus the Xeno-Derelict.  The clue here is something related to the Xenomorph is Reproduced here and then Sacrificed to make the contents of the Black Goo.

I think it was the wise choice to change from Spaights idea to Lindeloffs, i totally understand the reasons for it, i think however the clues to connect to ALIEN should have been less ambiguous.   Leaving enough so Fans can be like....  "oh i can see, i get it" without actually seeing any Xenomorphs at all.

I feel a disappointment for fans was NO Alieny Scenes, and i think while some wanted Xenomorphs, i just feel a big disappointment was there was NO Alieny Encounters.   If we look at Alien Covenant, the Neomorph encounters gave us something Alieny, just as in Spaights Draft the Holloway Chest Buster would have done so too...  yet it was not a XENOMORPH, and Spaights Draft was a bit ambiguous to the other TWO Alien Monster (types) but the impression was both were closer to the Xenomorph, but maybe different, well at least the Ultramorph....      I also think Spaights Fifield Encounter was more Alieny Related and painted a better connection to the Xenomorph.

I think thus, the ideas in Prometheus are better, it just needed to meet Half-way with Alien Engineers as far as Clues/Less Ambiguity and some Alien Monster Encounters.

I cant find my unfinished Prometheus Re-write, i have to rework on it again i guess... but a number of scenes offered more clues and was more Alieny.

*Fifield was more Xenomorphy with Acid Blood

*We see a Hammerpede blasted and see tiny Alieny Eggs inside

*Milburn Chest Bursted a Neomorph/Babyhead kind Creature, that claws at FORD's Face before being killed.

*The Trilobite gets bitten by the Engineer and squirts Acid on his Face

*The Crystal is replaced with the Sacrificial Bowl (as in the Trailer) but a alternative idea was to keep the Crystal. Which Fifield would go to touch.

*The Mural Door opens up briefly there was TWO versions of this and when.... one as a result of Fifield (interest in Crystal), the other as a Result of Ford (General Curiosity) but both we catch a glimpse just of what lies behind, to reveal a Room with like Cryo-Pod Sarcophagi and then Small like Pod Versions, and then a like Table with Groves and Slots...  And a Mural that resembles HR Gigers to a degree on the Wall.

We only peer inside briefly before the Crew Member (Holloway) falls down and Shaw and others Rush to him, while others rush to the body of Milburn.  The Door Shuts down again... 

The alternative is Fifield peers inside with Milburn, but they are disturbed as they discover a Hammerpede, which causes Milburn to slip and Fall over, while Fifield goes to help him up... the other Hammerpede appears and Raises up....  Milburn tries to calm a Panicking Fifield, saying its ok,  Milburn Gestures with his hands trying to distract it, and then sees it appears to be placid.. so he moves closer then it hisses, and Fifield starts to Panic and Grab Milburn (lets get F out of here) Milburn turns to face him, then as he turns to the Hammerpede it shoots towards him and Milburns Reactions he Grabs it, holding it Safely like a Professional Snake Handler, he then says to Fifield dont worry, stay calm, our suits are basically bullet proof...  Then the Hammerpede Wraps itself around.

Even in the Alternative Scene were Ford opens the Tomb Door, i still have earlier the Milburn Falling over Scene... i feel its much better than deliberate Space Cobra Petting...

I think Holloway was just so disappointed that all of his work, for all of those years leads to this moment of finally meeting these would be Gods and getting some Answers, or at least some clues and it would have been the GREATEST Discovery of Mankind. 

To find out that NO-ONE is Home, was disappointing to Holloway, i would also say drinking to wash away his sorrows/disappointment turned him into a Dick.... but then Drinking Alcohol can do that to a lot of people.

Its not hard to put it past any kind of Apartheid  to exist towards Androids in the Future, where they are seen as 2nd Class Citizens so to speak, the same way Replicants Felt Treated.  And so Mankind could act this way towards AI, and see them as insignificant and just basically a TOOL

I feel when Holloway Realized he wont meet our makers, and will have no answers to OUR creation, he turned his disappointment onto a attack on David, because David knows his Creator and Reason for Creation, David has his Answers... where as Holloway does not have his...

Spaights Draft while a bit more coherent and less ambiguous, did appear a bit robotic in terms of characters and so could have been portrayed like some low Budget Sci-Fi Romp.. But some scenes were well written, i feel Lindeloffs draft was also interesting more so than the Final Picture we got on Screen, but it was a bit ambiguous and while it added some interesting parts.. it added a bit of Goofiness too

In Reality i think someone else needed to take BOTH drafts and make a Amalgamation of them.

While some enjoyed Alien Engineers, i felt it left a lot of Plot inconsistencies IF it was to connect to ALIEN and i say IF because of the Ending, which DOES-NOT add up to ALIEN at all.... and so its either Jon Spaights does not stick to the Source Material/Clues from ALIEN or the event took place on a different part of LV-426

Regarding Names...  If we go back prior to Jon Spaights or at this time and i was asked to work on the Project, and it leading to explaining the Xenomorph Origins.   The name i would have chosen would be ALIEN: ALPHA but Alien: Genesis does kind of fit with the same context as the meaning in context are interchangeable (i.e a Origins Story, the Genesis of the Xenomorph, the Beginning) 

Originally the Engineers Technology was Activated by waving hands around in a certain pattern interacting with patterns/markings that are all around the room, that only Engineer Eyes and David's could see and latter Dr Watts (Shaw) after she had worn some Googles made from the Engineers Space Jockey Suit Helmets.

Maybe these invisible markings could be like a series of notes that have to be activated via the Flute?

The Flute and other like-wise Ancient Woodwind Instruments have played a part in many Ancient Cultures and Mythos and many Ancient Tribal People still use them for connecting Spiritually as the music opens the Mind to a Higher State for communication with Spirits or indeed Meditation.

I dont have a issue with the use of Music within context to these Ancient Engineers and their Technology.

LOL

Lets not Forget Verne Troyer... i am sure he would be the Space Jockey by the time we get to the connecting movie to ALIEN, as it fits the pattern of the ever Shrinking Space Jockey/Engineer Race with each New Prequel 

I embedded that video for ya! 

Also, gaze upon this glorious bald man!

*edit* So glorious it seems that the image decided to post twice, lol!

Ahem, just popped in to add this video to the discussion. Also, gonna feature this, thank you Ati!

Very alien scene. Something beyond the imagining of humans....Would you start your car with a violin? Of course not! You are human and don't understand alien egg tech or their ways. Alien.

Could have been a cliche' scene: push some (normal) buttons and grab a joystick(some human way to start a vessel)

50 years from now they'll still be discussing this scene.

Lots of Picard love here- NICE!

ohh man! How did Bruce Willis end up so far down the list!?! 

IRaptus Stevic is under appreciated- thanks! Shameless 12 Foot Ninja plug here!

Mr. Willis belongs here too:

one for you dk

hahaha Dark Nebula!!!

Party hard

As for the David - Walter flute scene, it might be that Ridley Scott knew about the Disney take over of the franchise when he filmed Alien Covenant.