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That was a great dog and it must have taken a long time training it to tolerate the suit. I think they scrapped the idea when the test footage looked too much like........well, a dog.

It may have left a doot at 2:46.

Thanks for posting these, and bolding the part about the distress signal beacon looking brand new.  Like they just assumed that the signal was old since the ship looked old.  Leads me to believe, if canon, that someone (David) could have planted the eggs on the ship with the distress signal beacon thing. But that wouldn't explain how the space jockey had his chest burst open unless he was involved with the eggs prior to his death.

I still wonder what all the stuff under Shaw's head was.  Unless it's all of the intestines and organs that were removed, it would have to come from some sort of growth or mutation.  The circled bone by her head definitely resembles a large femur or other long bone...and Shaw didn't seem to be cut up around her legs or arms.

Could you imagine if they are one of the 4 parties lol!? That would be some great fanboy writing. 

I def agree his destination at some point will be lv223 as he has no reason to go anywhere else. id love to see something with the deacon aswell

I think the main question is how is he going to get thousands of people to become eggs without everyone knowing what's going on in the process?! I really hope we get a LV-223 scene with the deacon. My idea would be interesting also because they are right in the neighborhood of LV-426 for the derelict scene...

maybe but depends on the olive branch message I suppose. if it is canon then he doesn't come across as being afraid of the company and even anticipates an expedition to be sent. I think it depends on how many more movies wer getting. for me, to do it right requires 2 movies. id like to see what David has been doing on origae6 and get an insight into his experiments and their evolution. id have the humans and engineers catch up with him on origae6 and the end of the movie would be David managing to escape the planet and head for lv223 which brings us to the last movie which ties into lv426. to be done in one movie would mean wel see very little of what he got upto on origae6 which sucks I think.

What if David told the Company that he is going to Orgae-6 to make them go there while he heads back to LV-223 to utilize the black goo there. While he is there the Deacon can return...

certainly the olive branch transmission doesn't make much sense. if he was looking for peace to advance his experiments, which ud assume he would, why contact anyone? if u want someone to come then send the transmission when ur nearly finished ur experiments. also, why make logs pretending to be Walter only to send another message revealing ur true identity anyway? so id take the olive branch message as just bonus material at this point. I do agree with big dave that David will have some years to himself before others start arriving n its gna be interesting to see what the set up on origae6 is when they arrive. the question is will David want to keep the covenant in one piece as a way of getting off the planet or will he allow the colonists to live in his lie and dismantle the ship for parts in the hope or assumption someone will come?

I felt like they tryed to make it sympithetic while menasing ant the same time and while doing so failed at both.

Sorry, try the new link I edited in.

@BigDave

The idea of David taking the Covenant to Origae-6 made sense to me until I saw "Advent", where David is telling W-Y what he did and how he has control of the ship.  After I saw that, I just stopped thinking he would go to Origae-6.  If David didn't contact W-Y, then I would say David would have to continue to Origae-6 to make it appear that the ship is still working according to plan.  Now that David revealed himself to corporate, he doesn't have to do anything.

The problem with David is that if he wants to do experiments, I don't think he would do them on the Covenant.  The reason being is if he is working with creatures with acid for blood, then that blood could go through the ship and breach the haul.  Experiments with Xenomorph-like creatures on the Covenant are way to risky.  Yet, David really understands how to work with them in his experiments, so maybe he has a counter-chemical to stop the acid or knows of something he could do to protect the Covenant from the acid blood tearing it apart.

So, with this in consideration, David needs to find a planet to experiment on.  He can't risk the colonists, that we all assume he is going to experiment on, being on Planet 4 because the planet is contaminated and could potentially, and rather highly likely, interfere with his experiments and ruin his long awaited pay day.

I honestly don't know what David is going to do with the Covenant.  This is especially true after David contacted W-Y.  That really threw me for a loop.

So, what if David knows where the bio/mech Engineers are?  We all realized that those Engineers on Paradise don't look like the ones in Prometheus (the one's I call bio/mech in this post).  So, what if on Planet 4 David logically finds a library which tells where these bio/mech Engineers are.  He knows they hate humans, but for some reason they didn't wipe out humanity.  While on Planet 4, David also learns of why they didn't kill all of humanity.  Maybe the simple reason was... the council voted not to kill humanity, yet a select few didn't want to follow orders.  So, they continued with the plan to wipe out humans.  That is where we get that pissed of bio/mech Engineer in Prometheus who should've killed Shaw.  Still, the council is the ruling power, so they assassinated rouge bio/mech Engineers.

The decision for the vote is unknown to me, yet could relate to being that humans are recognized has being highly intellectual.  So, the council decided to let things stew on Earth just to see what happens.

Back to David and the Covenant now...

So, David knows where these bio/mech Engineers are.  He decides he will fly there and meet them and the council.  He wants to because these Engineers are the creators of mankind.  Peter Weyland said that he didn't believe humans were a random bi-product evolution and he goes on and on to David about somehow finding the creators of mankind.

This idea sticks with David because his creator, Peter Weyland, was so obsessed with this question.  So, in a sense, David wants to figure out because his "father" would have wanted to.  This is a big question and I'm sure David would also want to know the answer.

He also wants to meet with the bio/mech Engineers and the council because he wants to be accepted by them.  He's learned so much from and about these Engineers that he would also love to be a part of them.  He also would want to turn them against humanity again and try and have them destroy Earth.  There would be no way that David could do this on his own.  If David released 2,000 Xeno's on Earth, I am sure they would eventually all be destroyed.  I even think they would all be destroyed if there were Queens as well.  Plus, David can only fly one ship to drop black goo on Earth and if he even dared to try and fly to Earth with a ship with black goo, he would be detected probably before he entered into the Kepler Belt.  Earth would see a ship flying straight towards Earth of alien origin and would try and communicate.  Earth would also send ships out to intercept it.  In the end, there would be a small chance of David's hypothetical ship reaching Earth intact.  David NEEDS the Engineers help.

So, instead of A:C 2 starting at a spaceship graveyard.  It could start with some psychological questions David is posing to the bio/mech Engineers.  (Yet, we wouldn't see who David is talking to at this point in this hypothetical movie.)  In his heart, he is trying to convert them to destroy Earth.

After some questions, we can see the Covenant docked somewhere in a massive docking bay with other alien ships.  Maybe the Engineers have also made contact with other alien species and left them alone so they can develop.  I'm sure the Engineers would be interested in seeing alien life evolve and grow that they didn't seed.  Kind of like how they decided not to kill humans on Earth.  In a way, there could be many other alien species with their different spaceships or there could just be a few.  Maybe Ridley will take the fact that in Alien franchise, we are not alone to another level.  How many are there in the universe, instead of how alone are we.  Science today is breeding the idea that we are alone in the universe.  If there is a chance we do find life, today's science predicts it would be microscopic and very basic. 

So, in A:C 2, we get to see the possibility of other alien life and finally get to discover that the universe actually makes sense, in the way that in all that space, there is more than just two species.  At the same time, we would also learn of our creator.  The answer is not the Engineers.  Instead, the answer is God and evolution. 

Okay, now I'm getting much beyond the beginning. 

POST ENDED!

From the OP clip, anyone see a similarity of the facial expression transition to this?

I really like the Newborn. It has the most human vibe and has the HR vibe in your face- looks like it is f##king itself almost.

In ALL HONESTY here....

I don't think the Newborn was done right in Alien: Resurrection.

The reason is this...

This Newborn was advertised as a superior Xenomorph.  More superior than any before.  Yet, it just doesn't look like it is all that superior.  The only thing I can think of is that it may have the intelligence of a human.  So, in sense, in ain't so primal, but instead can think critically.  Still, I'm not saying the typical Xeno's are stupid.  They just seem more focused on survival.

Does anybody else agree that the Newborn's appearance in Alien: Resurrection just doesn't fit the description that it is the MOST superior Xenomorph?

fabulous

thats a great idea! there ould be a scene were they nead to make a space jump inbetween ships witha xenomorph chasing them. the wohle setting is just awsome. ridley scott neads to add this.

Interesting idea...  we never 100% know what happens if the Black Goo effects a Organism that is the result of the Black Goo, but we do see the Hammerpedes swimming in Black Goo without appearing to change again.

I think the Deacon would just grow to a Larger more Aggressive looking version but it would be interesting to see how this Organism Procreates.

I think the Bio-Mechanical Aspect of the Xenomorph will come from a EVOLUTION of Davids Creation, either at the hands of the Engineers or a Hubris of David, i think we could see David Evolve his Body, or see the introduction of a Female Synthetic that either way would show us a Synthetic Construct (Part Organic/Synthetic) and this leads to the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

Maybe.

But i think what we got is a Hybrid the Deacon is Born from a Face Hugger/Human Hybrid, so the resulting Chest Buster would have Human DNA, this is why it was born with a Placenta and why it has 5 Digits on its hands and feet, and why it had Enamel Teeth. And was born fully formed like a Mammal.

This is how i saw it way prior to Alien Covenant which shows us the Neomorphs are also very Human looking compared to Xenomorphs.  

I have mentioned this a number of times over the years, i feel the Deacon would just grow into a much Larger Version of itself, maybe some parts of it could Evolve so that it has Dorsal Tubes or maybe not.  But i expected the Deacon to grow into a 16ft tall more aggressive looking version of itself.

Something those working on the Fire and Stone Comics had foreseen too

Some interesting ideas for sure, not to dissimilar to some ideas i had for my Prometheus 2, well what would have been revealed more in the 3rd one.  By that i mean taking into account HR Gigers Mural and applying it to the Engineers.

So that the Cargo Hold produces the Eggs from Worm Like Parasites, well thats what i was running with.

I think the maker of this video is also implying a Relationship between the Purpose of the Bio-Weapons and Engineers and also suggesting the Engineers Serve another Race.  I think indeed this could be the case, but i feel the author of the Video is hoping that the Space Jockey will be revealed to be much larger and different to the Engineers.

I think while this is possible i think it will be a Space Suit none the less, but who knows how close the being inside is to the Engineers.

joylitt Sounds interesting. Yeah, there is a long back list and am making slow progress. I think Pandorum needs another view since some dialogue was delivered fast and not mixed very well- similar to parts of Alien 3 with the same issue.

Yes, the ending was great but really threw me for a loop.

Bit off topic but i thought out of the A:C characters i was impressed by Farris. When she was falling to pieces on the lander after getting the call from Karrine regarding Ledwood. This was amazing. Such a contrast to the laid back joking pilot. Great bit of acting 

Anyone stand out for you  ????

I been missing lost someone very close.

Indeed a lot of things had been cut, some for pacing some for other reasons.

Some totally change the way we interpret the movie, the Engineer Scenes Especially as they painted the Engineer as being more than just a Big Grey Angry SOB... the Full Scenes could paint a picture of this Engineer maybe Sabotaging the Mission?

The Elders Scene removed because it gave too much away and RS did not want to meet the Gods/GOD in the first movie... and so maybe he has plans to Redesign who those Elders are, and who knows now how they are redesigning the Engineers.

I think we cant rule out if we get the reveal that those LV-223 Engineers are to the Engineers what Replicants are to Humans.  And maybe give us a different way to interpret why the Engineer took Pity on David at first and then wanted to destroy the Humans.

As far as the Deacon is concerned the possibility of it being seen again cant be ruled out unless Dr Shaw was a Freak Occurrence and such a Experiment could not be replicated again. A lot depends on exactly how this happened.

Did using the Non-Activated Substance from the Glass Ampoules effect this?  Would consuming the Black Goo that leaked from the Urns in a small dose do the same?

Was the infection from Mutated Sperm that Fertilized Shaws Eggs?, or was a Parasitic Worm Transmitted to Dr Shaw via Sexual Intercourse and it Fertilized Shaws Eggs? Or Finally can the Parasitic Worm simply Grow into a Organism?

dk So you finally watched it. I am glad you enjoyed it. I specially like the ending. Last night made a new discovery I would also like to recommend to you: it is a new director and writer (the full package), his name is S. Craig Zahler. I recommend you watch two of his movies in a double bill: "Bone Tomahawk" and "Brawl in Cell Block 99". He is like John Carpenter on steroids, and both films made my jaw drop. Actually a scene from "Bone Tomahawk" made me sick from my stomach, while I confess I was covering my eyes through parts of the other movie. I admit the political leanings of the director seem to be rather reprehensible in my opinion, but this is one of these cases where I can ignore that due to the sheer brilliance of the entertainment on display. These movies are also an example of taut dialogue, engrossing plot jolts and fantastic practical effects. I imagine a director like this would make an "Aliens" on steroids type of movie. Just imagine the prison guards from "Brawl in Cell Block 99" as colonial marines...

@ Ati I have only just realised this, but the scenes between the engineer and the trilobite in Prometheus are nearly identical to the scenes where the crew are fighting the space dragon in Space 1999.

I agree that a space graveyard would certainly open things up and create a bigger universe.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKfEj5JpwA 

@Big Dave. If the Covenant is indeed modular, I just think it would make sense to then have the ability to send it back to earth to set up a sort of supply/trade route, making the Covenant a re-usable asset to WY.

I agree, that it does not seem likely that RS would go down the Pandorum route, but having a ship delivering a dubious cargo back to earth could make sense to the overall story.

Indeed you would think that is one place the Engineers would look, we need to look at the evidence they will discover, which include Dead Human Bodies, some Wreckage of the Covenants Lander but then its a case of would these Engineers recognize these bodies as being Human?  If so and they are aware of who Humans are, then would Humans only exist on Earth? If so then they would know were to look.

The Problem with this is i would think the Engineers would have to arrive many years latter and at a time that David is either very close to Origae-6 or arrived on Origae-6 if not years after..  And so if the Engineers arrive say 7,8 or 9 years latter we have to wonder what condition would the Human Bodies be in?

But maybe Dr Shaws Body would still be in as good a preserved state...

They would not doubt investigate the Crashed Juggernaught and discover that it had Human Looking Crew, they would recognize one of the Stowaways as the Body in Davids Work Shop and the other as Walters Body.  They would discover the ship came from LV-223 and so they would certainly be interested in investigating depending what they know about LV-223 and the Status they believed it was in.

I think eventually we shall get to LV-222, but i feel the Engineers may go to Origae-6 first.

I had not seen the movie until not so long ago, it certainly had that kind of Haunted House Feel to it.

If David conducts experiments on the Covenant Crew during the journey and some surviving Colonist awake to the aftermath and discover half the Covenant Ship has become a Xenomorph Hive then i think it would be a movie that would give us a similar kind of feel/look.  But i am not sure this is a route RS will take.

Well if they are going to ever cover this as Canon in the Franchise and reveal them as a actual Alien Species then who knows, the same beings who created Mankind could have created the Arcturians too, who knows if they could even play a part and be one of the 3-4 parties that Arrive on Origa-6?

Looking at the Covenant Ship and the Lander that Tennessee rescued the crew with, it appears to me that the Covenant ship has a lot of Modules that are connected to Main Covenant Ship and it would appear that maybe these Modules are disconnected from the Covenant Ship and taken to the surface by the Lander and then Assembled on the Surface.

As for what will happen i think this is the Big Question and this Ultimately depends on Davids Agenda/Plans and Frame of Mind, he will have nearly 7.5 years alone on that Ship so thats a lot of time to contemplate what he would want to do.

I dont think he would Quarantine the Ship into sections and subject some of the Crew to Experiments, but this would indeed give us a kind of flick similar to Pandorum which i am not sure is something RS will explore.

I can only assume David will rebuild himself, and pass himself off as Walter and then let the Colony Mission begin as Planned, while he would have to come up with a Good Excuse for what happened to the other Colonist and pass himself off as a Hero/Savior of the Entire Mission.

If we take into account the Prequel Novel, if David discovers the planned Sabotage of the Covenant then he could use that to explain the Deaths of some of the Crew.

I never noticed that before either nice find...

I would say maybe it has the same purpose as the Trilobites, but then they are omitted in Aliens on wards which also includes Alien Covenant  and so its open to debate to try and explain the differences, could it be because the Classic Xenomorph is a Drone? But then AC and AR they are similar too.

@Blackwinter-witch

Thats a decent explanation...

LOL ;)

The Top one looks better than the Final One we got in Alien Resurrection

Thats not Shaw its a Proper Engineer ;)

Batchpool - The graveyard idea is awesome, and it hasn't been used in movies. Half of the new Alien prequel should take place there! Scott must film this! Imagine the atmosphere and everything, it could be the next ALIEN.

@ Ati  Of course, Ripley. I should’ve spotted that. It’s still a good idea though imo which would be worth repeating.

Batchpool - I'm sure the story of Dragon's Domain was used for Alien.

'The sole survivor returning back to earth with their incredible story' is, in fact, Ripley. :)

And the new unknown ships would make the Alien Universe huge...

That's nepotism at work lol.

@ Ati  I like that idea. If it did go down the Dragon Domain route, who would you have has the sole survivor returning back to earth with their incredible story. What it does prompt is a mission to go and visit the space graveyard to find out more. I think something like that could work.

I hope we'll see the empty Covenant ship together with a lot of other alien spaceships (known and unknown) in a space graveyard close to a special planet or some giant space rocks - similarly to the scene of my favourite episode of the series Space 1999: 'Dragon's Domain' (S01E23).

That would be a brilliant opening.