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or maybe they will pull a marvel on us and make the alien / predator/ terminator/ star wars universe in with they will release 3 of them per year until they become a formulaic cash grab with little to no originality whatsoever. (sorry. really do't like disney. am probably eggsagerating)

also, the alien series is kown for its iconic female characters who don't feel the obligation to fall into a romantic bond with someone. do you think that disney would keep that. eather that or they will be like ray who in trying to make the movie feminist made her a perfect person in every way making the charector uninteresting.

to me. my biggest worry is that they will force awakens it. I hate the force awakens so so so much. its essentially is" you know starwars is a thing. lets throw random starwars nostalgia at you so you will be like, starwars is cool!!!!!

anything that retcons alien 3 is bad for the franchise in my opinion. people have to realize that alien 3 probably expanded the universe more than any other film in the series. if they ignore alien 3, remember that the xenomorph dose not take the form of its host. it will always look the same. a humanoid. this would then kill atleast 95% of the comics and toy parts of the franchise.

Timmy the ultramorph haha I hope you are joking. The idea that Disney is going to make every Fox property into a fairy tale is simply not true. Some of the movies Disney is producing on its Marvel division are pretty gritty, like "The winter soldier". I just watched that movie and I was very surprised of how violent it was.

Timmy the ultramorph said, "if i lose I will kill myself."

That's if you're lucky.  We're talking Disney here.

if the disney buyout happens, I will burn disney land to the ground file a lawsuit against dinsey for the custody of the franchise and if i lose I will kill myself.

It's barely started pre-production yet. I wouldn't be reading too much into any of this yet. A whole lot can, and will change, especially if the Disney buy-out happens.

Timmy the ultramorph That plot won't get anybody excited. They need to bring something new to the table.

I think it will be interesting.

It could mean writers have some interesting plot twists.

But also filmmakers have a complicated task to make surprising and not boring movie.

Of course, I would be glad to see Shaw again.

@Dark Nebula :p

Well sadly, the option "edit post" has been disabled for members because we had a lot of problems with spammers that were abusing it. Only mods and site staff can edit their own posts.

The option to edit posts has been disabled for members, so that is why. Editing topics should be fine.

what realy bugs me is that screen junkies actually gave tis movie a positive review when it came out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ZyJTS4yeY then once it left theators they all just suddenly started to dislike it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYT-BU3U0a4

Emperor GorillaGodzilla:

I don't remember exactly right now but I think that it was both. I am sort of forgetful, sorry.

Do you mean "edit post" as in editing a comment, or editing a thread?

Regarding the 4 parties, I'm hoping for Rogue Engineers, Weyland-Yutani, Alphas/Elders and some indigenous life form that preys on the colonists. 

David did say he plans on doing to Daniels what he did to Shaw. My guess is the face huggers are for Daniels and Tennessee. From those offspring whether or not they include a queen, I think David will start sacrificing colonists to the xenomorph cause. In what manner should be interesting. I am very interested to see what David does before they even land at Orgae 6 as he has seven years of privacy. 

sorry if I was not clear for some words.

I was waiting for your entry BigDave ;)

Thoughts_Dreams I think it's interesting to have heterosexual and homosexual couples, but their characterisation can not be used by all, I think the books can help to increase the holes that have not been filled by the film.

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

WHAT IF: Alien:Covenant was Alien3.  It was Ripley instead of Daniels. Same plot ...same script....Hicks playing the Tennessee role. Ripley had married Branson not Hicks...Maybe add a scene where they show Newt in hypersleep.....but that's it! Have it play out like AC.

Ripley, Hicks, Newt wanting to start life fresh on Origae6.

I think this Alien3/AC would work great and a set up a massive ciffhanger for Alien4.

So.... Alien3,  or a Ripley Alien3:Covenant??

The biggest problem I have with Shaw is that she was stupid enough to sew David's head back on his body.  David should have never been in Alien: Covenant.  Of course, if we were going by logic, Shaw would have never left for the Engineers' planet and would've suffocated on LV-223.  These facts all tie back to the movie Alien: Covenant because that is when it all happened.  Other than that, I actually like Shaw.  She says a few things and in a way that I don't like, but I guess it is hard to please everyone.  It's kind of like these prequels are based on some kind of destiny that the main characters have. 

In the original 4, the characters were just people (plus a clone in A:R) who got thrown into the mix with a Xenomorph or more by chance and no one has a clue how to deal with this 'thing'.  Of course, Ripley gains some  knowledge as the original 4 continue into the next one of the series.

Maybe that is why there aren't very good character developments.  The main characters are getting lucky and that's how they end up surviving.  If they weren't lucky, then it would involve a focus on the character and their struggles to survive.  Instead, something happens and then everyone is okay.  Of course, there are other ways to develop characters, yet, in an Alien movie, the movie-goers shouldn't have to listen to large amounts of dialogue.  There should be scary, suspenseful situations which bring out who the character or characters are because they have to react to the problem.

One thing about the original Alien is that it starts where everyone is having a good time and enjoying each others presence.  Then, as the movie continues, that is contrasted with the fear everyone has because of the alien.  This fear leads to their instinctual actions in survival.  That is how we typically learn of characters in an Alien franchise. 

Plus, it seemed Prometheus and Alien: Covenant had a large number of characters, so it would be hard to give everyone a background story.

Concerning Daniels and Tennessee's fight with the Xeno, it was just to short, to easy for them, and it was a rehashed, Xeno death scene like other Xeno deaths which end up with the Xeno being ejected out into space.  I'm not complaining about it, but I do think it was to quick to really good character development.

On the prequels again...  It's almost like a god-like entity is being projected in these prequel movies.  Like something is in charge of who survives, kind of like God of the Christian faith.  There is a whole underlying agenda in the prequels to explore where the human race came from... Engineers or evolution?  This brings into question about the existence of God as well.  Well, if we look at the prequels, I would say God exists.  This is especially obvious in Prometheus.  Yet, if God exists, why would David survive and everyone die?  Ah, a very similar question that many people ask today concerning God.  Alien: Awakening is going to have to drive home these God and creation themes to really solidify this the existence of God in the Alien universe, but as of now, I think God is in play in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.  We just don't know God's agenda.  Hopefully we'll get to 'see' his great vision manifested into Alien: Awakening.  We still need some more proof so we don't have to label certain events as coincidences.

This is an interesting claim because Peter Weyland believes so firmly that someone or something created us.  Yet, if the answer was God, then it could also mean that humans were a creation from evolution as well.  Truth be told, if God did created us, we might never know until we're dead.  Still, Weyland wants to know and the Engineers could just be, in a sense, a scapegoat for the human desire to know if God is actually real or not from proof.

Sounds stupid to me

Thoughts_Dreams

Don't worry, David will be the Space Jockey. Why do you think that the Xeno was not mechanical enough? In his hubris (stupidity) David will be face-hugged.

Big Dave:

I agree that AC didn't use the Xeno in a good way but I bet that it is because Scott isn't interested in it. AR and AVP were mistakes if you ask me, they didn't have to be made it was more like Fox wanted some money so they made some alien movies that unfortunately had low quality.

To me if they get the feeling of disaster and fear right then they don't need the Xeno that much. Xenos were not there when they cut the power in Aliens (they were not seen but implied, I think that works better), and you did not see it that much in Alien 3 and it was not seen that much in Alien either. Yes they were shown more in Aliens and AR but that don't make them better movies compared to Alien and Alien 3. Prometheus didn't lack because of no Xenos but from other problems. My point is that you don't need to show it or use it that much but it can be effective still but new monsters could be interesting also if you make the Engineers more threatening (which I hope that they do).

AC could have used the Xeno better but that was far from my biggest problem with it. I probably liked the Neomorph better since it was new and I also liked the ideas of the spores and the goo because of the same reason. Having cool monsters is far from the most important thing to me.

“... its a case of how many movies will Span Until we get to the Derelict?”

Yeah I have thought about this also. What if the next movie will be as bad as AC financially and in quality? Would we get a final Alien movie then?

As far as how to use the Alien, that is why there needs to be a plan. Hopefully there are some people that are smart enough that have discussions about this at Fox. There got to be some people that think about this other than at message boards, hopefully.

Hopefully they will change it since they should by now know that many people don't like the idea of David as the Xeno creator. If they will do many Xenos movies there is a risk that it will be given a worse reputation than it has gotten from the movies from AR until now. There is a thin line between familiarity and trying something new unfortunately they have stepped on the wrong side of the line this far with the prequels.

Sometimes I listen to the podcast by AVPgalaxy, some of them are interesting. There are people in the podcasts that seem to be supporters of the Blomkamp movie, I am not that interested in it but if they are then fine for them I guess.

Trying something new can be good, it depends on how you do it but I don't like when you throw the characters away for the plot alone, that is boring. I didn't mind the number of monsters in AC since my issues was with other things. Remakes, I am not that interested in it so it is better to try something else.
To explain Freddy Krueger and why he became what he did, doesn't that threaten to make it less of a threat like maybe Prometheus and AC did? Some things are better left the way they are because then you can keep on making your own explanations which is what horror movies do when they work .

You can do many Zombie movies but those movies are usually not about the Zombies per see but rather about other themes (like the consumerism in Dawn of the Dead and so on). I like that even if not every scene is filled with gore. The characters and the message is what is of interest to me when I watch Zombie movies but this also goes for the Alien movies.

4 parties, I am interested in them all except for David. Hopefully they will get the Engineers right and I am also interested to see what kind of characters that will be at the colony ship. The part about WY could be interesting, it depends on how they are portrayed. Maybe there are people there that work for the company that realize that they have been deceived by the company and start to rebel. Perhaps this could lead to some fight scenes between different sides of the WY company and ex-employees? I don't know I just try to imagine where things could potentially be going. Unfortunately we have been let down too many times now so I expect a movie that is average at best but we will see.

As far as the podcast being too harsh on Scott, maybe but he didn't help that much by focusing on David so he is partially to blame but I bet that Fox is also a part of what went wrong.

“They want aliens...”

Who are they? Fox or the audience? Perhaps it could be both.

In this context then yeah the Xeno might just be a part of a bigger world but I would rather have a movie where the monster has a bigger role even though it is not seen that much rather than a movie about artificial intelligence. To me Xenos and their connection to the Engineers are more interesting than AI. Hopefully we will see a bit more of that connection in the next movie.

My problems with Prometheus is largely with the characters but the Engineers were interesting (although they were not very well explained) and I liked the new monsters although the Hammerpedes could have been better. The environments looked good also.

“... elements that would have been explored in Prometheus 2 had to be brushed under the carpet, but covered in small detail as a After-Math (Engineers and Dr Shaw).”

At least we got less of Shaw so that was good but I wish that we could have seen more of the Engineers. Maybe they can get them into the movie in some way. Perhaps they don't need to make up the whole movie but they can at least be expanded upon. I would rather see more of then than of David.

I don't really understand how two eggs can lead to thousands of them if they don't go for some cloning or what ever they will use to explain it. Maybe if he re-created the egg than maybe it is some Engineer that we see in the derelict in some way? This would make more sense than if it would be David in the chair.

If they will remove some of the most stupid ideas that Scott has (like expanding the role of David) then maybe it would be a better movie? Hopefully they will rein in over Scott's most boring ideas.

“Going to be Davids Agenda and the Companies that will take the Forefront.”

The companies could be interesting if that will be done well, the android part just seems boring. Like I said, I am expecting the worst and I will be pleasantly surprised if it won't end up like a snoozefest.

“A lot of Back Lash has gone to RS, and so we have to wonder will FOX replace him, or at least Curb some of his ideas and CHANGE things to please the Fans, but surely we cant have more U-Turns thrown at us again.”

If that means less David and AI and better focus on human characters then I am all for it.

Yes I think that the way that they have treated the characters like pieces in a chess-game is probably the worst of the ways imaginable that they could have chosen. I don't find any excuse for this, it is just bad. One time might be acceptable but to totally fail with that twice it makes me wonder what really goes on. Maybe they can look at other movies where the characters have been better written and find inspiration from there. They just have to find genres where they usually have well written characters that they can get inspired by, I mean they are movie makers right? It is not that they should have to go back to school to re-learn that I hope although Prometheus and AC makes me seriously wonder.

A religious person that discovers that her faith doesn't help much is a potentially interesting character but they should have written her better before they released Prometheus. If I don't get positive or interesting perspective of a character in the beginning I get bored or annoyed and so I don't get an interest for that character, that is what happened with Shaw. This is even more important in horror movies since it is about that person's psyche, how that person reacts and thinks.

It could have been interesting if they would have written Shaw better in Prometheus but since she came off as annoying and irrational that didn't really help. They could at least have given her some rationality and some likable traits but I didn't find much of that, unfortunately.

The case with the Engineers is a bit different, their purpose was too vague even though it could have been interesting. This could have been explained with better clues and subtitles to when Weyland and David spoke to the Engineer that was in the cryo-chamber or what ever the word is (the thing that was like a coffin). It is a mistake to automatically assumed that people will be interested if you keep things vague, that was a big problem with Prometheus if you don't watch it many times.

Yes I see that you wrote about something of a covenant between her and David. I wouldn't trust David for a second if I would be Daniels. I would try to shoot him as quickly as possible because he is dangerous. How will they use the character of Daniels now? Will they kill her as they did with Shaw? Will she be out of the picture? Will they show us a dead Daniels in the next movie? I don't know. If she will be dead then they got to give us a really well written lead character in the next movie, hopefully there is room for that. By looking at the ending of AC I wonder if they thought about that at all?

Living in the minds of other people as memories is a possibility but that is not like living physically.

Look at ye mighty and despair, I understand what that meant in the context of the Engineers but I didn't think about Weyland in that scene but it makes sense. So if David wants to leave his legacy the wouldn't that mean that his would also be forgotten as many things that people leave after them when they die do?

Sure they could have showed more of the Engineers but they just got bombed out of the picture. I hope that we will see more of the Engineers in the next movie so that the city we saw in AC was just one of many cities in their civilization. Maybe there were Engineers at other ides of that planet that were not affected by the goo. Hopefully we will see their home-world, that would be interesting but they got to get that right though. Perhaps they can look at how Lord of the Ring did with different environments and that? I think that this is a place where they can find inspiration from and mix that with some sort of Giger aesthetic. The Engineers could be really interesting with a clear connection to the Xeno (that could really make David envious or what ever that is with an android, ha ha).

I hope that the next movie would be more about the Engineers and their connection to the Xeno. They don't have to show the Xeno a lot, I mean Alien didn't do that but they could give it a bigger role. Another movie focused on AI would suck.

Oh yeah about incoming Engineers, I hope that they will go berserk for David and kill him. It would be interesting to see how the Engineers would reply to the destruction at the planet where David was. How will they find out who did this? Do they have advanced technology that we don't know about? Those are not rhetorical questions I am honestly curious to see how they will do this.

David as the leader “a king has reign and then he dies” so maybe this will mean that the humans kill David? I hope so. Maybe he will manage to murder some of the colonists using his monsters but it would be nice if the monsters would turn on him. Look at this as being a case of hubris and punishment and what ever you mentioned as being themes.

Maybe the feeling will be a bit like Alien 3, that would be a nice nod to it. A second version of Alien 3 would be lame but there is a difference to be inspired by and to copy. I think that they could find some good parts from 1-3 and throw into the next movie although I hope that we will see a new one.

A Dave cave? Ta-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da Dave cave! (Batman melody, LMAO!) Maybe it could be like death cave like a lab of an evil being. This is probably not something new (they idea) but it could work if it is being done right. Maybe he could use some Engineer things if possible.

Some flashbacks could be alright but only if they are necessary to the story. This is something that they managed well with in AC to its credit.

“... certainly i feel the Engineers turn up on Origae-6 towards the End... which would lead us to the Next Movie.“

I think that could be a fitting ending of the movie.

I don't want David to kill the Engineers, I would like the Engineers to kill David.

“The Backlash for Alien Covenant could indeed have him and FOX reconsider what plans they had at the time of Alien Covenants Release.“

Hopefully, if it means less artificial intelligence/robots and more and better human characters. A bit more about the Engineers would be nice. If they will make the next movie more about AI and less about humans I will become very disappointed, I would probably throw it out of the window figuratively speaking. If I would have to choose between a movie with Xenos and one about AI's I would choose the Xenos but the humans are the most important thing. The reason is the way that they have written about the AI's in the prequels, it has gotten too much attention which is bad. If they will make a movie like that then it deserves to bomb if you ask me because I would not be interested in it.

“They would have to show enough IMO in the next movie, so that if they dont do a 3rd, then we can gather enough information to paint a picture of what happened”

Sure but then that part of the movie has got to be well done, without spelling it all out if you ask me. I would prefer an answer that is vague compared to one that is spelled out and is done in a bad way.

"... suggesting the next movie will focus a lot on AI..."

Boring, try to make better human characters that we can relate to. This was one of the problems with AC it was too much about robots and less about interesting human characters.

Walter worked well as a counterweight to David. It was interesting to see the differences between them. I don't think that they need to bring back Walter, if they shall have another android then let someone else play that part.

Did you like Walter? Yes, in the context of the movie.

Do you want to see him again? No

It could be a problem how to introduce him again so leave it. Try to make better human characters instead.

Most of the humans in AC were not written that well. I don't really care if Daniels or Tennesee survives, no one of them were horrible but they just felt kind of flat as characters.

Is that good or bad? I probably wouldn't buy it mainly because it is about androids and because of the lack of well-written human characters but it probably works if you care about the David story and artificial intelligence.

AC has a lot of problems so I only think that it is fair. Once David showed up it started to go to shit. It is not that Fassbender did a bad job but the human characters were reduced to pieces in the background and were not well written.

I Moon Girl: For fear to work you got to relate to the characters and what they go through but since most were without clear character traits then there were no one to root for. The switch at the end was probably surprising for Daniels but not for the audience so that scene is a 50% for me. Prometheus didn't have good characters either except for Janek and David.

Shaw was annoying and Daniels was just anonymous.

"Just imagine Waterston as Elizabeth Shaw in Prometheus if you can."

That character would probably still have been crap since she was written that way.

"They are supposed to be these B-movie stereotypes. I have no idea why Ridley Scott would like to perpetuate these antics and it is something he needs to drop as soon as possible. I long so much to see a well grounded, gritty, relatable, real character in the franchise for a change."

I am not sure what the problem is but there is some bad job that has been done this far. They got to step that up a lot as far as the characters are concerned for the next movie. If they are able to do that it will be so much better. Please don't make the next movie about androids, F that.

"nevertheless Rapace shone in that film."

I am not sure if we saw the same movie, Shaw was annoying and deserved to die even though she was better in the end of the movie. At least Daniels felt more like a real human and I didn't get annoyed by her but yes she could have been a lot better but so did most of the characters (about 95% of them).

"She made Daniels forgetable."

That goes for most characters but I rather think that it was a problem of really poor character writing in both AC and Prometheus.

"The film was not balanced. There was no counterpart for Fassbender."

Yeah indeed but that was only because Scott only cared about the damn droids.

"Well the whole idea was that Foxbender to be the counter to FoxBender."

Yeah and that was why the movie to a huge extent was bad. If you have very few memorable human characters and a focus on AI then that makes a bad movie.

"So please have courage and make the next one an all FoxBender flick, to save money of course."

Ha ha ha! I sense a lot of sarcasm in that comment. ;)

No way that I would watch a movie like that.

"Thank you Ridley Scott and John Logan and all the cast and crew for daring to give us the lonely perfection of an android dreams."

If you want less people to give a damn about the alien movies then sure they can continue with where they are now. The story about artificial intelligence is just boring.

"I personally hope the new installment will be more faithful in spirit to the Alien universe."

If that means getting human characters that we care for then yeah. Alien 1-3 managed to get this right but the prequels haven't this far. Hopefully this don't include AR and AVP. :D

"He loves this alien universe and tries to explore it further."

He cares for the AI crap which I am really tired of.

"I think as a movie Alien Covenant attempted to please those who liked Prometheus, those who liked Alien and those who liked Aliens but the movie simply could not deliver enough to please all of them, it only provided a little to each..."

The Prometheus part to me seems to be about David and a bit about the Engineers and Shaw. That part was kind of boring and I think that it was bad that they got rid of the Engineers. David was mad, Shaw was dead (which was good), and the Engineers were sadly bombed out of the picture. Aliens to me is action and there was too little of it at least after David got there then it became about David and Walter talking, which to me was a mixed scene since I liked to see their differences in views but the scene was too slow and made me feel tired towards the end of that.

"Also it appeared again the Characters mainly are only used to drive the Plot and no real Depth was invested once they David had Turned up, prior to that it worked well."

Um at least better since the human characters still lacked in how they were written but yeah it got worse once it became the AI show (second part I believe, after David arrives). What made it worse is that they had some clips (crew messages, check out Youtube) which made the characters a bit more interesting, they should have had these in the movie. The way that it became was not very good, they got to make that part a lot better in the next movie if the Alien prequels shall not be remembered as total failures by many.

"Therefor..... Would it be interesting to have a MORE advanced Synthetic than David or Walter, be part of one of the incoming Parties? And if this Synthetic is more closer to Human than David is and is a SYNTHETIC CONSTRUCT like ELDEN was from the Prometheus Fire and Stone Comics who became INFECTED with the BLACK GOO."

No, it is too much about robots already I do not care for more of that.

"Knowing that David has contacted the Company and shared what he has been up to, we can SAFELY Assume the Company will be sending in at least ONE Party."

As far as rebellion, what if someone that is employed at the company realizes that it is bad and starts to rebel against it, like Ripley.

"I believe the next film needs to delve deeper into the mythology of the engineers and their relationship with the xenomorph race."

I would rather have that than the robot story that this unfortunately is turning into.

There are good parts about both of them and there are also bad parts. My problem with both movies is that the human characters are not well-written. No one can put me in a Prometheus or Covenant kind of fan box because I am neither but your post seem to imply that it is about if you are in the Prometheus  or Covenant camp. Unfortunately both movies are disappointments for some different reasons and some of the same.

Thoughts_Dreams I'll look into it 

Thanks also when the first copy of the post doesn't work then I try to make another one and that is usually fine, however that makes me end up with two examples of one post. I would appreciate if there would be some way to delete the ones that are not needed if you are a regular member of this forum.

To me it seems that someone is afraid of the dentist.

"Oh and please keep it clean and playful lol"

I wonder how many that will not automatically think of something dirty when they see that picture.

Art is subjective so, but I agree that Alien Covenant wasn't a very good movie.

"The studios forcing the Xenos in and Scott abandoning/nuking the Engineers (and the ones interested in them) in favor of the psycho AI."

That could be one of the explanations and yes I would rather have seen more of the Engineers instead of a crazy robot. It could actually have been an interesting movie if we would have seen more of the Engineer culture and related tings. AC would probably have been more interesting with more information about the Engineers and less AI.

"Alien Covenant is  an extinction level event. "

Well, that is to exaggerate a bit but it wasn't a very good movie.

To me that would just be confusing (like is this before this or before that?) if they do not clearly state that it is before Covenant somewhere in the movie or something that makes us see that it is. Nah, just carry on from where it is now. By the way I don't want any more movie with Shaw in it, that is another reason why I think that this is a bad idea.

". . . the engineers created the xenomorphs previously and david made an adapted version of it in covenant."

I hope so, the idea of David creating it is just crap.

Big Dave:

I don't care about the creation and hubris thing if that means bad answers. I think that making David the creator of the original Xeno sucks. Hopefully they will change it so the Engineers at least made the material that it was made of so they indirectly made it. The route seems to be the least good if you ask me.

Yes it would have been better f the Engineers would have made it.

As far as Scott as a story teller I don't trust him a bit.

... however its still open for the Xenomorph to not be Davids Creation.

Yes please, at lest try to avoid making another dumb decision. There have been enough bad decisions this far in the prequels with this probably being the worst (David as the creator of the Xenos).

"The Premise from what i was informed by a Source (which until we see Paglen/Green Draft) i can not voucher as legit or not.... but they claimed David would RE-CREATE IT (Xenomorph or Deacon) and by showing us HOW it could be Re-Created, with some clues to what a happened on LV-223 we would have enough clues to KNOW how the Xenomorph MAY have been Created."

That would have been a lot better if David did his own version messing with Engineer left over (technology).

Maybe they could save it so that the Engineers create the final Xeno that we see in Alien. David created the first and then the Engineers made a better version of it, like how you update different versions of Windows or Linux.

But then can we totally rule out, that David uses Synthetic DNA to Evolve the Creation and David becomes the Space Jockey?

Just no (!). I already dislike it that David eventually made the original Xeno, must they ruin it further by making David the SJ? I would be so mad if this is what they give us as a final answer to the SJ thing. This would give too much importance to David, as if it wasn't bad already that AI has a too big of a role in the prequels. Hopefully someone is smart enough at Fox to see that these ideas (David as the creator of the original monster and David as the SJ) are really bad ones that a lot of fans (including me) would get mad at. If someone should print a book of how to not make prequels they could make the alien prequels as examples if that is what they will give us for an answer. There are always the three original movies so if the prequels end up in crap I can always throw the prequels away and pretend that they didn't happen.

.... it is likely however such a Race decide to Take/Use Davids Creations and Fall Foul to them and ending up on LV-426.

At least I hope that they won't make David the SJ, just the size alone would be a problem. I hope that they kill David as they go along that is how annoyed I am that David is given too much of an importance.

We cant rule this out, but i think this would Further upset the Fanbase than the Derelict not being Ancient Event and David created the Xenomorph.

Well they have done more than enough to piss off fans so I hope that they have learned something but I am afraid that it will get worse. Please don't mess up the SJ, making David the creator of the Xeno is bad enough, don't cause any more damage.

... it would however be a sign of Ultimate HUBRIS for David, which is a Theme RS appears to be exploring.

The themes? What ever, don't make David the SJ. (Grr!!! LOL!)

Yes I think that it would be alright if the Engineers took David's creation and tried to develop it further. There could be some clues to what LV-223 was about but that is not what I am mainly interested in although I understand that some people would like to have some answers to that.

“I think at some point if Davids Creations are those Eggs on the Derelict, then they have to Shoe-horn in a reason why/how a ENGINEER Ship ends up so close to LV-223 to end up on LV-426..”

That's right but hopefully they are not what David created because that sucks if that is what they are.

“And the ONLY logical conclusion i have is that LV-223 was a place the Engineers was experimenting on and perfecting their Bio-Weapon, if Davids Creations are deemed Perfect why head towards that System, surely its not the direct path on the way to Earth or any other place apart from LV-223.”

If the home-planet of the Engineers is what we saw in AC then yes that other planet could be like a place where you test weapons like you might test nukes in isolated areas.

Big Dave:

I don't care about the creation and hubris thing if that means bad answers. I think that making David the creator of the original Xeno sucks. Hopefully they will change it so the Engineers at least made the material that it was made of so they indirectly made it. The route seems to be the least good if you ask me.

Yes it would have been better f the Engineers would have made it.

As far as Scott as a story teller I don't trust him a bit.

... however its still open for the Xenomorph to not be Davids Creation.

Yes please, at lest try to avoid making another dumb decision. There have been enough bad decisions this far in the prequels with this probably being the worst (David as the creator of the Xenos).

"The Premise from what i was informed by a Source (which until we see Paglen/Green Draft) i can not voucher as legit or not.... but they claimed David would RE-CREATE IT  (Xenomorph or Deacon) and by showing us HOW it could be Re-Created, with some clues to what a happened on LV-223 we would have enough clues to KNOW how the Xenomorph MAY have been Created."

That would have been a lot better if David did his own version messing with Engineer left over (technology).

Maybe they could save it so that the Engineers create the final Xeno that we see in Alien. David created the first and then the Engineers made a better version of it, like how you update different versions of Windows or Linux.

But then can we totally rule out, that David uses Synthetic DNA to Evolve the Creation and David becomes the Space Jockey?

Just no (!). I already dislike it that David eventually made the original Xeno, must they ruin it further by making David the SJ? I would be so mad if this is what they give us as a final answer to the SJ thing. This would give too much importance to David, as if it wasn't bad already that AI has a too big of a role in the prequels. Hopefully someone is smart enough at Fox to see that these ideas (David as the creator of the original monster and David as the SJ) are really bad ones that a lot of fans (including me) would get mad at. If someone should print a book of how to not make prequels they could make the alien prequels as examples if that is what they will give us for an answer. There are always the three original movies so if the prequels end up in crap I can always throw the prequels away and pretend that they didn't happen.

.... it is likely however such a Race decide to Take/Use Davids Creations and Fall Foul to them and ending up on LV-426.

At least I hope that they won't make David the SJ, just the size alone would be a problem. I hope that they kill David as they go along that is how annoyed I am that David is given too much of an importance.

We cant rule this out, but i think this would Further upset the Fanbase than the Derelict not being Ancient Event and David created the Xenomorph.

Well they have done more than enough to piss off fans so I hope that they have learned something but I am afraid that it will get worse. Please don't mess up the SJ, making David the creator of the Xeno is bad enough, don't cause any more damage.

... it would however be a sign of Ultimate  HUBRIS  for David, which is a Theme RS appears to be exploring.

The themes? What ever, don't make David the SJ. (Grr!!! LOL!)

Yes I think that it would be alright if the Engineers took David's creation and tried to develop it further. There could be some clues to what LV-223 was about but that is not what I am mainly interested in although I understand tat some people would like to have some answers to that.

“I think at some point if Davids Creations are those Eggs on the Derelict, then they have to Shoe-horn in a reason why/how a ENGINEER Ship ends up so close to LV-223 to end up on LV-426..”

That's right but hopefully they are not what David created because that sucks if that is what they are.

“And the ONLY logical conclusion i have is that LV-223 was a place the Engineers was experimenting on and perfecting their Bio-Weapon, if Davids Creations are deemed Perfect why head towards that System, surely its not the direct path on the way to Earth or any other place apart from LV-223.”

If the home-planet of the Engineers is what we saw in AC then yes that other planet could be like a place where you test weapons like you might test nukes in isolated areas.

@dk

Whilst I appreciate your remark is about the thematic nature of the idea what you remind me of is not the question of about turns on the beast, but on the narrative. Prometheus was meant to head off and away from the LV426 incident. We know what Ridley thought of the Jockey and the derelict from press conferences at the time. What a grounded detailed writer should have done is look very hard at A L I E N and "make more sense" of what we see in the original movie and provide it with a revelatory significance. I give the following examples :-

1) Ash and Mother should have had a connection with David. They are the foot soldiers of Davids curiosity and when Ash offers his famous remarks it should be revealed in the prequels he knew exactly what had happened on LV 223 to Prometheus and it would then be seen Ash is the straight line in fulfilling David's curiosity. Indeed it should be made plain in the prequels that David sends a message back to the A I shared consciousness that a derelict and its cargo will be found on LV426. 

2) Throwing Eggs rather than canisters out of the hold of a Juggernaut clearly does not work. So Prometheus should have shown the A L I E N  lifecycle was a conceit of the LV223 Engineers a corruption of the original notion of sacrifice to bring life. It did not represent bombing but a specific ritual where they, not David, viewed the Xenomorph as part of a cycle of creating their update (The Xenomoprh is sacrificed to create the pathogen). What Elizabeth and David find out on Paradise is it is actually a punishment in the way that Paradise Lost discusses the consequences of Satan's fall. The Paradise that D & E should have arrived at is the consequence of a returning derelict with Eggs (an almost dead world).

My view is the audacity of P2 should have been that Elizabeth has the same fall, personalising it, and irony of ironies it is David  in his transformative state that realises the error of his curiosity and destroys Paradise and Elizabeth by using the power of the hierarchy. But then it is lo late and the science division who shared D 8's consciousness have put Ash on board.    

red0guy That is understandable, because Kermode is a fan of Alien in general. That is something I should have mentioned as well: from the point of view of a fan who is highly invested in the Alien lore and such, Alien Covenant is an extinction level event.