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dk, agreed. plus if its a choice between those aspects of the derelict remaining a mystery or having it being down to David, personally id rather never find out. the mystery is part of it and sometimes it isn't a good idea to look behind the curtain as u sometimes don't like what u find. I don't mind the mysteries of the derelict being revealed but it would have to be in a way that is respectful and does justice to the mystery of the original. after AC I am doubtful RS has it in him to do the original mystery any justice at all so it should be left well alone.

ali81 I remember this topic being discussed at great length especially with input from BigDave's dissertations. Those discussions were mind bending. A mystery was the chest buster exiting the SJ, burning a hole in the floor and then the egg chamber. That is a big mystery and I am fine leaving that chicken/egg notion a mystery. There were articles about the Derilict landing on an egg silo in the earlier development of Alien but it got nixed. There is something appealing about leaving some questions unanswered imo. If nothing else, it allows for spirited geekery debate around here that is sometimes more engaging than the source material. 

imo I would give David and the xenomorph a break in the next movie and focus on the engineer backstory. theres no reason they cant go back to the time when they decided to wipe out mankind.

for example, say the wise men were infact engineers sent to protect jesus? they help raise him as a last chance for man to save himself. they fail and thus the engineers decide to eradicate us. the engineers on earth leave with a handful of humans they deem worthy of 'sacrifice' and head to lv223 and test the goo on the humans. it gets loose etc. now we have a tie in to the hologram in Prometheus and an answer as to what happened at the facility.

maybe something along those lines as im more interested in these questions than seeing a mad android hell bent on taking over the galaxy 

dk, nail hit right on the head bud.

leto, yeah ur talking the weyland files which makes it clear that the derelict is already there. but to have the placement of the eggs be down to David is still something that can happen which I hate the idea of. for me the eggs were placed there by the engineers

RS has said many things including that the beast was cooked. I am starting to think an RS Alien movie beyond Awakening could render the franchise cooked.

 Critters5 This topic has been discussed and your idea has been shared around here. It is a topic worth revisiting since we await the next movie. 

Pre AC I would have agreed with you... mostly. But seeing how AC was went down, it is tough to see it playing out that way. It seems fans want to see more Engineer focus and less David. I love the Xeno, and I admit my opinion changes at times, but I would like to see the origin of the proper Xeno with more focus on the Engineers and a memorable cast of characters. David is excellent but I would be disappointed if it became a David story. I would rather the SJ in Alien remains a mystery.

Prometheus BD has additional materials and one of them has a mail with report what Weyland already know about LV-426 and Derelict before the Prometheus mission.

certainly hope not. not against urself or ur theory personally but to me the derelict is thousands of years old. for this not to be the case and its all been down to David ruins the whole mythology of it for me. the derelict scenes in alien are iconic and filled with mystery just for it to be revealed 'the crazy android did it all' is awful and lazy imo.

RS suggested 3-4 movies that would come in through the back door to alien. being 2 down, I just cant see him wrapping the prequels up in a way that does alien justice in less than 2 more movies. theres so much to cover that if he squashes it into a single movie, it WILL bomb imo. I doubt wer going to get a prequel to AC as tbh, I don't think Noomi would want to come back n who could blame her after the trashing Prometheus and AC got. I certainly would want nothing to do with it. I agree we need to see the deacon or at least find out its fate and im guessing the last film will see David returning to that area for whatever reason but I do see RS taking us back there. I see awakening catching upto David some years after AC as we follow a human expedition sent by the company to bring back his research but all hell breaks loose between the humans and engineers who have hunted down David. David will inevitably leave that planet and the next film will be near lv223/ lv426. that's what I see coming but it may differ towards its David in the covenant heading towards those moons or even earth

moon girl, I didn't see the twist coming in oblivion either.

depends on what is classed as an 'alien' prequel. if its plot is mostly centred around the creature then id agree that it is an alien prequel but the plot was more focused on who are we and the beings who created us. id say a loosely connected alien prequel, as it was described by Scott himself. if AC had come out first then id say that definitely was an alien prequel movie but Prometheus I believe was intended to move away from the creature  

Shaw hears what appears to be a humanoid voice in the static saturated comms. The voice sounds familiar- sort of like the Engineer they encountered. She realizes the positronic format has erased everything David had researched to be able to communicate with the Engineers. Years of studies- gone. She wonders what he makes of what he hears, if he hears anything at all. She decides to conduct an obvious test.

“David. Do you hear me?” David stares passively ahead. “Where are we?” She notices lights on the console start to blink and then stop. Shaw wonders if her voice had anything to do with that. She is starting to realize and feel how confined she is and can feel the first symptoms of panic set in- her respiratory rate escalates although she is doing nothing. She realizes she has only asked David questions and decides to issue a command since he is essentially an earlier self. “David, say something!” David’s mouth opens but nothing else. Now he sits staring ahead mouth agape.

@Big Dave

Yes your reading my post correctly. Its a weapon using parasitic qualities to self perpetuate. Its "tic" is the "weapon" uses highly sexualised non consensual behaviour which can be viewed as punishment to create further weapons. Of course when you write that down and think of the opening of Prometheus with its consensual sacrifice to create affirmative life I want to scream with frustration not horror at the complete failure to examine how A become B. I agree with Ridley the beast is cooked but I think Ridley needed a great writer to make that connection between A and B and answer the question who's the guy in the chair. of JS and a bit of DL and someone who could have constructed a robust mythology.

@Chilli

Your falling for the same delusion if only the characters chewed more gum and were smarter the A L I E N could be served up fresh. Its a weapon with certain over sexualised characteristics end of .    

2099, Year of Our Lord
Elizabeth Shaw, survivor from the Prometheus expedition, lies in an over-sized cryosleep pod, in suspended animation. Her skin is pale, her physique noticeably emaciated; she could not possibly be aware that an excrescence has grown from beneath the pod, enveloping her whole body, and even part of her face: some kind of exoskeleton, similar to the Engineers' biomechanical suits.

Before she went to sleep, she had run a full scan of synthetic David's memory banks, and having found corrupted files and evidence of tampering on behalf of Mr Weyland (which resulted in the android conducting experiments on several crew members), she formatted his positronic brain and downloaded his previous personality profile onto a flashdrive. She keeps this hanging from her neck, along with her cross. Provided she had access to the right technology, she could probably be able to recreate a virtual image of the former David persona, and interact with it without taking the risk of falling into one of his traps.

The synthetic, now a loyal servant, is in full command of the Juggernaut, his head back in place. Oblivious of his previous obsession with impersonating Peter O'Toole, his hair has grown darker, and his manners are less polished. One could say that he behaves a little bit like Charlie Holloway. Maybe Elizabeth had something to do with that.
She had too much time to reflect on how things turned out on LV-223. As she had imagined, the expedition was supposed to be a quest of knowledge for Humanity, an inquiry into our origins; but in reality, her party had turned out to be the most shameful ambassadors for the Human kind, led by a selfish man only interested in prolonging his own life. She was not surprised now about how the Engineers reacted when they made first contact, and she has high hopes she will be able to revert the bad impression these giants got of her people. After all, her archaeological findings had always showed them interacting with their creation in a peaceful manner, as if they were patient parents teaching their children.

Elizabeth opens her eyes and makes an attempt to get up. She is immobilized. She can see David is sitting at the navigational chair, but his face has a blank expression: not operational. The holograms show a completely different star map from anything she is familiar with: she can only assume that they just have been out of a wormhole. The COMMs channel, which had been silent so far, is now buzzing with strange, alien noises. If she could see through the Juggernaut's walls, she would see that they have arrived to a planetary system orbiting a Dyson sphere, and that they are being pulled by in by a force field around a massive, ringed blue planet scarred by complex geometrical patterns: the Engineers' world.

Thank you for the comments, it's so good to read that you share the view it would be exciting to see these giant space rocks in an Alien Universe movie.

dk and IRaptus - Ok-ok, the characters are key, that is apparent, but specific actors are important as well in my opinion. It is a brilliant thread to name my favourites (for the AC sequel) again: Olga Kurylenko and Theo James.

Ridley, you need them. And please don't kill them in the movie. And it's time to see a female lead with long hair. Thank you.

@ali81

You're right. The switch wasn't well done.

After reading other peoples comments in this thread, I would also like to suggest that the switch wasn't well done from the point of view of it being just to obvious.

There is this movie with Tom Cruise called "Oblivion".  That movie has a FANTASTIC switch and leaves you wondering at the end... who is who.  With A:C, it was almost given to us.  Then at the end, it was spelled out for all the viewers.  It was like the switch was there just for story purposes and not to be a real, mind-bending ending.  Apparently I'm the only one who was fooled.  Of course, I did stay away from almost all spoilers, so I was learning of the story as I was watching.  I guess that could explain it?

Still, I wish the switch could've been done better myself after hearing and reading what people have to say about it.  It could've been more of a... who is who moment... and just ended like that.  That is one thing about the A:C novel.  The ending concerning the David-Walter switch wasn't spelled out.  I liked that.  If you don't think about it, you might not realize that David was in control of the ship.

@BigDave,

I'm actually relieved for what you wrote it's been on my mind.

I started following this site, as a shadow only, when it was still called "PROMETHEUS 2 - PARADISE LOST", and I felt quite clearly that Sir Ridley was forced to rethink his original plans because of FOX and the bug fans.

Just after the site had "Alien" on its link, there came all the fuss. What if Sir Ridley had had the chance to follow his original plans and in his own way?

I hated the protomorphs we saw in the film. Aside from the piss poor cgi, they just seemed to lack any imagination. 

What I keep wondering is whether the neomorph is really a xenomorph. What if we are reading too deeply into everything and the answer is really that Ridley wanted to change the design, gestation etc. to freshen it up? That would be so disappointing. I wonder if your non-fanboy could id the difference btw the neomorph and xenomorph or would they just be like whats the big deal, that's the alien from AC again. 

@ BigDave,

The only KNOWN source of the Xenomorph was the derelict Juggernaut of Acheron LV-426. And considering the low collective IQ of the crew of the Auriga, anything they claimed has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Post Alien: Resurrection there is another Queen available to the USMC, as Ripley 7 (the deformed one) did have the same scar on her chest as Ripley 8. It is my belief that the Queen we saw in Resurrection was Ripley 7's and the Queen from Ripley 8 was taken by the Auriga's superiors at the USMC because it would have been a more pure specimen, with little cross contamination. But that's a debate for another day.

Beyond the other 24th Century Queen (sounds like a David Bowie song), there are other options to source the Xenomorph from...

LV-223 - All that Black Pathogen, multiple Juggernauts, and the Deacon are just sitting there waiting.

LV-??? - With LV-223 and LV-426 both having been used by 'forces' linked to the Xenomorph there is undoubtedly something on the third moon.

Planet 4 - Four Juggernauts (one crashed, one mother also crashed and two in the city hangar), Davids lab and the eggs in its basement, a Black Pathogen contaminated ecosystem.

Other Juggernauts - As Janek said, you don't build weapons on your front door, and I doubt Planet 4 was the only planet occupied by the Engineers, so there have to be other Juggernauts out there.

Another possibility is the Nostromo. If you watch Alien carefully when the Narcissus launches away from the Nostromo you will see that the Refinery shrinks out of view completely before we see an explosion a few seconds later. We are led to believe that The Nostromo was destroyed. Special Order 937 stated that  Organism be acquired and safely returned to Weyland-Yutani. If we consider the theatrical release as the canon release (as only fans would watch the directors cut) we can assume Dallas and Brett met the same fate, but were not incinerated by Ripley. As such MUTHUR allowing the self-destruct sequence to be activated, and then later disallowing Ripley to shut it off is in breach of SO 937, unless MUTHUR had a contingency plan whereby as the Narcissus launched in one direction the Nostromo trust in the opposite direction and dropped its nuclear core. from Ripleys perspective (what we saw) the Nostromo and the Refinery would have just appeared to disappear into the distance, with the cores detonation pushing both the Narcissus and the Nostromo in opposite directions, left to drift until discovered - The Narcissus carrying Ripley and Jones, and the Nostromo carrying the murdered crew, the Refinery, a Xenomorph egg (formerly Brett) and a cocooned Captain Dallas.

I really hope they explain more about the origin of the xenomorph DNA, how it was first discovered and where along with some Engineer culture and beliefs. Who created the Engineers? It was supposed to be the whole point of the prequels and instead Ridely has been dancing a jig around these questions in both movies. 

It will also be interesting to see how he will make so much progress in so little time with only 2 face hugger embryos and no lab equipment (unless he can magically make-shift what is on-board). 

ali81

Yes, if HAL hadn't been given a contradictory programming he wouldn't be malfunctioning? Maybe a human (but do we have a soul?) would have coped with it better? On the other hand, they give HAL's behaviour a human interpretation: He breaks down "mentally" and gets “paranoid”. And he becomes dangerous, just like David . . .

BigDave

I have a feeling that there will be only one more prequel which ties the whole shebang to Alien (6 was perhaps an example of hubris?).

I disagree, Prometheus was a Alien Prequel, only it was not intended to be a literal Prequel, where the events of Prometheus would Chronologically link directly to Alien, while giving us some insight to Questions regarding the Space Jockey and the Purpose of the Cargo, it was decided to not literally Spoon Feed the exact events to lead up to Alien, but to give us clues and leave a bit of ambiguity.

However with Alien Covenant which is in part a direct kind of Sequel to Prometheus (which is actually a aftermath of what a Literal Prometheus sequel would have been) then Alien Covenant as it is intended to be a literal prequel leading to Alien (this could change) means that it has pulled in Prometheus to become more a Alien Prequel than it was intended.

I have not yet attempted to address maybe what the Topic Title means, as a Prometheus Prequel would require a movie that covers events set before Prometheus, which could mean regarding the Weyland Company and Evolution of Synthetics, it could be the Journey of Dr Shaw and Holloway as far as the research and findings that lead to the Prometheus expedition, or even regarding Peter Weylands Agenda.

But alas this things would not be interesting on their own... and so a Prometheus Prequel would have to cover the Engineers, be it other things their culture is into, but as we are talking a Alien Franchise, a Prometheus Prequel would likely have to touch upon why the Engineers Created Mankind, and the Black Goo, which was the aim of a actual Prometheus sequel.    The other thing a Prometheus Prequel would likely have to maybe cover is the LV-223 Outbreak and what began with those Experiments.   Even the Events of the Space Jockey was originally tied into a Event connected to LV-223, before the Curve-Ball U-Turn to have David as the creator of the Xenomorph.

So Alien Covenants Plot, has pulled Prometheus into being part of a Alien Prequel, while also changing events that a actual Prometheus Prequel could have tackled....  The Space Jockey/Xenomorph are no Longer Ancient 

However this could change, as who knows how many U-Turns they make along the way.

@DK

LOL indeed there is a Pub not far from me Called  THE ROOST, and features a impressive Cockerel on its Sign Post.  I joked maybe it would be funny if someone renamed it the Cock-Inn ;)

But indeed i live in a area that Pre Industrial Meltdown... when their was many Factories, this area had a abundance of Pubs, i would even Dare say among the Largest Number Per SQ Mile in the World. (maybe)

About 30 years ago, you could walk to about 50 Pubs within 30-40 min Walk.

As far as the Rock Connections, indeed the West Midlands was very influential.

Ozzy Osborne Actually used to go to a School my mother had attended.  My mothers side of the Family come from Birmingham.

But thats not my families only link to Fame lol

Indeed....  the influences from 2001 are great....

Sadly i think its a shame we may never get to see RS vision as far as where he could have taken this, because they (FOX) felt a Alien Prequel means they have to Nail in how Literally the Event of Prometheus would Tie in directly to ALIEN

Ridley Scott is not young, we are at least 2 movies from ALIEN... if RS makes the next movie which is a set up to be a Alien Prequel something that is actually not a Alien Prequel... i.e does not even cover the Xenomorph or those Embryos... i think its a risk and if this U-Turn again happens and the movie disapoints, i think its curtains for the Franchise... so the Xenomorph and how it eventually ends up on the Derelict has to be covered.

Which then means after this has been done and we see how Davids Creation ends up on the Derelict, then we can indeed explore those Space 2001 influenced themes in more detail...  and maybe touch upon the Big Picture that RS had in mind.

The concern is how many years time would this be?   I would say the Prequels to Set up Alien would take place over the next 4-5 years.  The Question is would RS be in the right Frame of Mind and Fitness to proceed with his Philosophical Plans when he is Aged 84+

First great points... cuponator3000 totally agree with that post..

"The thing I despise of the road so far is the inconsistency"

This i feel is one of the biggest problems.. surely when they attempted to make a Prequel Series like when they had sat down and Brainstormed ideas that lead to Jon Spaights work with Alien Engineers, they must have had some kind of A-Z Plan or knowledge as far as a Personnel Alien Bible/Encyclopedia even if they dont intend to Spoon Feed us every element, they themselves must have a True Back Story A-Z roughly fleshed out.

But what we have ended up with is a constant changing of ideas and directions without considering the impact these have with any pre-set our clues and Lore.  Its kind of a make it up as it goes along, too many cooks in the kitchen kind of situation...    (I have a Fun Related Topic like this coming soon).

There are reasons for some of these changes though.... a lot has to do with Pressure from FOX, but Ultimately they own the Franchise, and they Spend the £££££$$$$$$$ and so Ridley Scott has to compromise with what the Studio thinks is best.

The Disney acquisition if this happens, could be of GREAT Benefit or a Disaster, not because they will make a Child Friendly Alien Franchise.... But....

1) They could actually have Faith in RS work and his frustrations at change of directions at the hands of FOX executives, and so Disney could turn around to RS and say look, Alien was you Baby, we are going to let you dictate how ever you want to explore and expand these Prequels.

2) Or the Disney Executives could decide they want more input and put their Spin/Ideas into the Franchise, if Disney Purchased 20th Century and then they decided they wanted the Alien Prequels to reveal the Predators play a larger role than Engineers etc.... then RS could totally object but ultimately Disney just get someone else to direct what they want.

As far as the Direction....

The Prequels started as a kind of loose Literal Prequel, more so with Alien Engineers, before they decided that actually the Curve-ball Engineers Plot and Agenda is something more interesting to explore, rather than Spoon Fed Literal and Direct Alien Prequel about the Xenomorph which is just a Engineered Bio-Weapon created to Destroy Mankind... 

So they was planning a New Franchise that would step away from a Literal Prequel Series to the events of Alien.   However seeing some disappointment with Prometheus and having no Aliens, and how Alien 5 seemed to be gaining interest, FOX saw that actually maybe it was a mistake to make a Prequel Spin off that would deviate from the Xenomorph.

And thus the NEW Prequel Series came into Fruition, with a ALIEN Prefix and a Agenda to show how the Xenomorph came to be and eventually explain (at least to a degree) how those Eggs got onto the Derelict.

Now they have decided on this PATH to link to Alien with a ALIEN Prefix, and looking how AC started to show us HOW, WHY, WHEN and WHERE our Xenomorph was created, they simply cant deviate again and so the Prequels have to be at least to some degree about the Xenomorphs.

While some fans want to cover what Prometheus was trying to do, and the Engineers to be explored, we have to remember what AC and Prometheus did with the Engineers, which was that LV-223 had only One Survivor who is dead without giving answers.

The Answers we was looking for, are to some degree found out by David during his time from when Dr Shaw had collected Davids Body Parts, and to when David had unleashed hell on the Engineers on Planet 4 and then had Free-Rein of the ruins of their Civilization.

This information was not relayed to us, because AC was a Aftermath movie,  which means David can via Flash Backs and Narrative give us some insight into the Engineers in future movies, but the likelihood of having a movie that covers the events between Prometheus and Alien Covenant is unlikely at best.

The Engineers are to return and perhaps more could be covered about them when they do, but the Franchise also has to cover the Alien, because so far we have a number of Eggs on Planet 4, David with only TWO Face Huggers on his way to Origae-6   and at some point Davids creation must Evolve and end up in their Thousands on a Engineer Ship in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System which we can be sure is NO-WHERE near Origae-6

So i feel any hope of a Engineer based movie, has to come as a separate Spin Off Franchise, which maybe they would have to take off any ALIEN Prefix unless it covers Xenomorph DNA/Origins to some degree.

ALIEN: is Synonymous with the Xenomorph and Ripley and while many can accept that Alien Prequels or Parallel movies do not have to be about Ripley, they would be hard to accept the ALIEN Franchise is actually not about the Xenomorph.

If the Franchise expanded 3-5 more movies, with the ALIEN Prefix but they are about the Weyland Company and AI, would Fans accept this?  It would Split them thats for sure...   what about if it was about the Engineers?  Maybe that would be more accepted.

The Engineers are ALIEN after all, but then also David is connected to the Xenomorph now and so he plays part of the Xenomorphs History..

I think Fans have to Accept and take on board that the Xenomorph is just a extension of the Black Goo and the Black Goo is actually the ALIEN of the Franchise, the Black Goo has many similar applications and so any ALIEN Franchise movies has to cover this Substance or related to it, and it does not have to be about Traditional Xenomorphs.

This reply was in response to seeing the Queen and Xenomorphs again, in a reply to my Alien  5 Topic. But i feel its a reply that fits more so with this Topic.

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I think its a case of how do you do this justice?

If its handled wrong then it could back fire and cause the beast to be overcooked....

The Franchise is split, as far as Fanbase and some Fans would indeed love to see Xenomorphs and Queens and another movie that is like a Remake of Aliens, but its a case of if we go to the Well to many times it becomes Dry....

I feel a Alien Sequel aka Alien 5 has to try something different, i mean there has to be a SOLID Reason why after Alien 3 the Franchise had 200 year Gap with no Xenomorphs (but movies could fill in this gap) but we have to ask the BIG QUESTION...

Why go after Ripley in Alien 3?  

Was the Derelict completely Destroyed?  we have to assume so, but then AC shows us Xenomorph Eggs exist on Planet 4 as part of Davids Experiments, and David is off to Origae-6 and from his TWO Face Hugger Embryos we must eventually arrive at Thousands of Eggs that end up on the Derelict.... so surely there could be Xenomorphs on Planet 4 and Origae-6

Indeed we can SAFELY Assume so now, but there has to be a Reason that the Companies only means to the Xenomorph is via Ripley and after she had Sacrificed herself to the Fire Pit.... the Xenomorph died with her... until Alien Resurrection where they resurrected if via Cloning Ripley (bit of a flawed Plot).   So i think as far as a Literal Sequel to Alien Resurrection it would be better to explore something different.

We have to assume, that by the time of Aliens the Derelict and those Eggs are all that remains of Davids Xenomorph for some Reason, and after the Destruction of the Derelict in Aliens with the Destruction of Hadleys Hope, the only route left was via a infected Ripley.  Thus the Xenomorph is GONE... but they could try and Re-clone Ripley from Ripley 8 DNA but this would be a copy of Alien Resurrection, or they could have it some Xenomorphs or DNA survived the destruction of the  USM Auriga.  But again why tread over something all ready done.

We cant have a Alien 5 with Xenos and Queens, and a Alien Prequels with Xenos and Queens unless its done Perfectly, and so far every Alien movie after Alien 3 has had a flawed approach....

HOWEVER......

We are shown the Xenomorph is a creation of David's  and so at some point, Davids Creation must Evolve to become more Bio-Mechanical and Multiply to become Thousands of Eggs, and so if the next few movies link to Alien then they have to at least in some way cover the Xenomorph.

A few Xenomorph Related Events that have to happen and potential holes that need covering are.

*Davids Creations must end in Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict (plus how a Queen could arise)

*David still has a number of Eggs on Planet 4

*David is off to Origae-6 the Advent Prologue suggesting he wishes to see his creation develop and his Wolves need Lambs (Colonist) and a Queen and so David must on Origae-6 create another Nest of Eggs.

These all leave avenues to be explored and introduce us to the Xenomorph if done right, and as far as any other sequel to the Original Franchise, or Parallel stories that do not involved the events between Alien Covenant and Alien Literally, must be avenues where we explore something different and not the Xenomorph.

With a stretch of imagination, you can see Shaw's lower jaw in the mural (which is missing in David's sketches). Shaw is the one who gives birth to David's eggs. Also, I wonder if Giger was a freemason (the all-seeing eye)?

I think its a case of how do you do this justice?

If its handled wrong then it could back fire and cause the beast to be overcooked....

The Franchise is split, as far as Fanbase and some Fans would indeed love to see Xenomorphs and Queens and another movie that is like a Remake of Aliens, but its a case of if we go to the Well to many times it becomes Dry....

I feel a Alien Sequel aka Alien 5 has to try something different, i mean there has to be a SOLID Reason why after Alien 3 the Franchise had 200 year Gap with no Xenomorphs (but movies could fill in this gap) but we have to ask the BIG QUESTION...

Why go after Ripley in Alien 3?  

Was the Derelict completely Destroyed?  we have to assume so, but then AC shows us Xenomorph Eggs exist on Planet 4 as part of Davids Experiments, and David is off to Origae-6 and from his TWO Face Hugger Embryos we must eventually arrive at Thousands of Eggs that end up on the Derelict.... so surely there could be Xenomorphs on Planet 4 and Origae-6

Indeed we can SAFELY Assume so now, but there has to be a Reason that the Companies only means to the Xenomorph is via Ripley and after she had Sacrificed herself to the Fire Pit.... the Xenomorph died with her... until Alien Resurrection where they resurrected if via Cloning Ripley (bit of a flawed Plot).   So i think as far as a Literal Sequel to Alien Resurrection it would be better to explore something different.

We have to assume, that by the time of Aliens the Derelict and those Eggs are all that remains of Davids Xenomorph for some Reason, and after the Destruction of the Derelict in Aliens with the Destruction of Hadleys Hope, the only route left was via a infected Ripley.  Thus the Xenomorph is GONE... but they could try and Re-clone Ripley from Ripley 8 DNA but this would be a copy of Alien Resurrection, or they could have it some Xenomorphs or DNA survived the destruction of the  USM Auriga.  But again why tread over something all ready done.

We cant have a Alien 5 with Xenos and Queens, and a Alien Prequels with Xenos and Queens unless its done Perfectly, and so far every Alien movie after Alien 3 has had a flawed approach....

HOWEVER......

We are shown the Xenomorph is a creation of David's  and so at some point, Davids Creation must Evolve to become more Bio-Mechanical and Multiply to become Thousands of Eggs, and so if the next few movies link to Alien then they have to at least in some way cover the Xenomorph.

A few Xenomorph Related Events that have to happen and potential holes that need covering are.

*Davids Creations must end in Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict (plus how a Queen could arise)

*David still has a number of Eggs on Planet 4

*David is off to Origae-6 the Advent Prologue suggesting he wishes to see his creation develop and his Wolves need Lambs (Colonist) and a Queen and so David must on Origae-6 create another Nest of Eggs.

These all leave avenues to be explored and introduce us to the Xenomorph if done right, and as far as any other sequel to the Original Franchise, or Parallel stories that do not involved the events between Alien Covenant and Alien Literally, must be avenues where we explore something different and not the Xenomorph.

This potentially could be true....

When looking at the Black Goo and then Jon Spaights Alien Engineers where we had Nano-Scarabs instead i was drawn to thinking maybe the Parasite is actually Nano-Worm like creatures, why would they look like a Goo?  Well Sperm Cells are similar to tiny tadpoles but they are very tiny and semen does not look like a collection of tadpoles to the naked eye but actually a Goo....     So maybe the Black Goo could have been Space Sperm.... or similar lol

As far as on Screen, the Xenomorph has to be handled Carefully, right now there are a few things that would need covering as far as the Xenomorph within the Franchise, some maybe do not need Spoon Feeding but here is a list of things we have yet to be fully explored and what surely must come next... given the Foundations laid down in Alien Covenant.

*Thousands of Xenomorph Eggs 

If Davids Creation is what eventually ends up on the Derelict, then Davids Creation has to be explored to how he can end up with Thousands of Eggs and how they end up on a Engineer Ship.   David only has TWO Face Huggers at his disposal and so a Question is do these lead to the Thousands of Eggs in Alien.  Which means maybe do they or do they not explore these TWO Procreation Methods

a) A Morph to Create more Eggs.

b) A Queen like Xenomorph, and then how did this Queen arise.

*Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph Atheistic

The Xenomorph in Alien Covenant, is not quite there yet (Ridley Scott stated) and he also mentioned the purpose of AC was to begin to explore why the Beast felt Bio-Mechanical, and with AC the Xenomorph we saw was more Organic than perhaps any of the other incarnations we have seen in the Franchise.  So if Davids Creation becomes those on the Derelict then surely it must still take some kind of Evolutionary Path that leads to it being more Mechanical/Synthetic Looking.

I feel these are the minimum things that we would need to discover, when putting us on a path that leads to those Eggs on the Derelict and the Queen in Aliens.

And so the Xenomorph has a role to play, but it has to be handled very carefully, i feel Alien Covenant did not disappoint because it introduced the Xenomorph, it disappointed because it was marketed heavily as a Xenomorph movie and Ultimately the movie did not cover enough of the Xenomorph on Screen to do it any justice at all.

These Scenes rushed, and the Gestation/Growth rate increased due to restraints as far as how much of the different Plot Points had to be covered within the restraints of a limited run-time.  I feel it did not disappoint simply because they showed us Xenomorphs or how they looked.

Of course, it’s not cooked! A movie in the sci-fi-horror genre (and within the Alien Universe) will never become a blockbuster, though, because not enough people are interested in the stuff. Most people want drama, love, realism, comedy etc. Most people are interested in down to Earth :) questions, not philosophical wanderings in space. But there will always be the fanbase . . .

Blade Runner (-82) is a good example of a movie which many of us consider a very good sci-fi movie. It received good criticism, but economically it was a flop. In other words, it flipped among those who are interested in sci-fi but flopped economically because most people aren’t interested in sci-fi (especially not a neo-noir one).

It’s interesting that many are disappointed that Alien: Covenant didn’t do better. It has made about $230 million worldwide so far and add to that money pouring in from dvd's, blu-rays, TV-rights etc. Instead, the question should be: How the he… did it make so much money? Very few people are interested in sci-fi-horror!

To get back to whether the xenomorph is overcooked or not. Among those who enjoy sci-fi and sci-fi horror, there is a division into those who want more action and those who want more of atmosphere and philosophical depth.

But to answer the question whether the xeno should be boiling some more in the pan or taken out of the broth, we must look into how it was presented in AC. Did they (Scott) do it justice? Did they put their soul into it? My answer is: No, they didn’t. They had the possibility (lots of publicity) but they didn’t catch the bus.

Firstly, and as many of you have pointed out, the characterization in AC was poor (you didn’t feel for them). Secondly, many parts of the movie were too rushed, especially the parts with the neos and the xenos. There are two short scenes which come in the vicinity of Alien, and one is in the temple when the neo creeps up behind Rosenthal (Significantly, the part where the neo sneaks in the corridor towards the room where Rosenthal is, was deleted). The second is the shower scene (which is over in the bat of an eye).

The rest is action scenes. The first is where the two neos attack and everybody shoots everywhere. The two xenos (which are birthed in a jiffy) are largely presented in two long action scenes where the heroine would make Superman envious.

So, is the xeno cooked (or fried)? No, but it’s not well done. :)

"Colonial Marines was ahead of its time"

Gavin i think you misunderstood what i meant by that, i meant as far as ahead of its time as a Game Sequel, so i think i used the wrong term for that, so i apologize  LOL  what i meant is the Game was set to be about a a Marine Task Force encountering the Xenomorph again after the events of Aliens, and that it was ahead of any of the advancements that the Franchise was opened up with, from the inclusion of Prometheus and now Alien Covenant.

So what i meant was the Game was set ahead of the time it should have been, in that it only covered what the Franchise had to offer at the time of Aliens,  Eggs, Queens, Face Huggers and the like.   So nothing revolutionary, i only tried to play the game a few times and felt it was lacking.... but i never went back to attempt to get further in it.

So by ahead of time... was the wrong word to use when i was meaning that a Colonial Marines game released now,  Latter in Time  (after the Two Prequels) would have a wealth of options to explore in game, that the Prequels had introduced us to, such as Engineers, Engineer Technology, Black Goo and then things such as the Neomorph never mind the many versions of the Xenomorph that are a result of the Black Goo, and so the Colonial Marines Game we got, was head of time as far as it really should have waited until after Prometheus so that it could introduce some of the Fresh things that movie was showing.

So yeah i guess the ahead of its time, was wrong us, i think maybe i should have stated ahead of a ideal schedule.  But then i did cover what i meant further down in my post ;)

I think a NEW Colonial Marines Game could be more interesting as it could explore more than Xenomorph Eggs and Queens...  it could be around a Mission to Planet 4, or a Mission to LV-223 instead or even Origae-6 if they make a New game after the next movie.

Maybe the worms could represent the original xenomorph DNA life-form source that was later manipulated by the Engineers to make the Xeno? 

I like the ships only

What's wrong with bringing back the traditional Aliens queen? Its cannon. I would like both the queen and the egg morphing explored more in the forefront. 

does Disney do movies with a certificate that would allow ridley to really push the boat out?

chli, Kubrick's 2001 must have an influence in almost all movies we know as sci-fi. its a masterpiece and asks the questions that probably means the most to humanity. why are we here and where did we come from?. its such an interesting take on his view of those answers and I believe Ridley was definitely going the same route with Prometheus. that to me was his whole intent and yet hes changed that route now which is bitterly disappointing to me.

I liked Kubrick's take on how difficult it would be for HAL and the conflict 'he' faced and his inability to deal with mans natural curiosity when things started to go wrong or didn't make sense to them. knowing the true nature of the mission and told under no circumstances to reveal the details to the crew. with no conscience or sense of morality, HAL struggles. so is the difference simply HAL's lack of a soul which stops him from successfully carrying out his duties while interacting with humans? if he had a soul would he have been able to have found a more peaceful solution?