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You want an uplifting ending Frantz? I hear that...but I am not so sure that's what we're gonna get! "Bleak" has been the word I heard tossed around. But If I try hard enough maybe I can in fact see these overtly huge entities , "The Engineers", suddenly riddled with strong bouts or human like "Morality". Probably not though! I feel both the Alien Creatures' very nature from the first 4 films...suggests there's no way. and Ian Holms' Character "ASH" summed this up the best... After it was told..."You Admire it" by Lambert or Ripley I think it was, when it said... ... "I admire it's purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality..." "Delusions of Morality" Even though that line was uttered 33 years ago, hold on to your hat, because I think that concept is going to be even further ingrained within Prometheus.

I don't want a nice ending, I know it sounds harsh but I want pretty much everyone dead by the end of the film.

As the late Madeline Khan said in "Blazzing Saddles" You're such a..." nice guy"! LOL.

EP, I'm right with you, everyone dead by lights up! it never gets back to earth other than minor bits and pieces of info hence redirecting the nostromo :) I don't understand this fear hollywood can have of wiping everyone out. Ridley wasn't allowed to, at least cameron did Ridley the service of making RIpley severly damaged goods after she woke up

The best ending for me would be Shaw or David being the only survivor becoming the new "Pilot" for the derelict.

In the comic con footage of Ridley in Iceland he says that he is almost finished shooting, and the waterfall backdrop that are his last shots will in fact be the opening of the film. But Rapace is on set with him, so is she just doing pick ups there, or is she going to be featured in some way at the begining of the film too? Does this mean there will in fact be some kind of time travel/imbalance in the film???? ..in underwear or not?

Rapace, underwear, waterfall. HALLELUJAH!

I dont see the point to have a bleak ending ..people think its "cool" but soon after they forget the movie ..plus there was never a ridley scott movie with a bleak ending ? IT dont make me be more "cool" watching a bad ending , are others things that make a man "cool" and the first one is not being "cool" ( cos is kiddish ) . I find the whole "i want to see all dead , tortured ...perverse things to them ...no survivors ... " a bit hummm ...i will not say that ...btw is NOT ridley scott ...is a bit like the kid that found pleasure being sadic ... you make him understand thats not the way to be. and all that things would not make the movie more adult ...we are at the ASBURD that the R movies are for teens ( that are not able to follow a decent plot and want to see gore and sex ) and PG13 are for adults ( that have sex in real life and dont need to watch it on the screen )

Ok Frantz, I understand what your saying and I have much respect for it but I have to say this.... What would make this film "Less Adult", is the notion that it would have a happy ending. This film is about some DARK stuff Frantz, it's just not going to have a fairy tale finish. But I respect very much that idea you are presenting, and if there were a way to perhaps end this thing with some sort of hopefull message for Humanity like say at the end of the follow up film to "2001; a space odyssey" ..."2010" in which the Aliens send/ write a message across the spatial sky, with a severe warning, and a message of hope for the future ,and directions for the future exploration of Space...I would be All For It ! But I am not expecting it! Scott himself, in "Alien", was very very nastily Bleak and in fact wrote a much bleaker ending for the film Alien which the studios would not let him shoot...this time the studios are cow towing to Scott and if he wants he can scrap the studio, make this thing himself with Giger using his own money and release it however he wishes, but he didn't do that because he just told the studio how it was this time and they agreed to allow him to have full creative control, which does not bode well for you here.... My understanding is the studios are already trying to take out some of what he short for the film because of it's "bleakly suggestive and sexually deviant nature". Gladiator ended with our Hero Dying. Happy yes, but he still died. Blade runner ended with Nothing solved and even more questions than answers. It was a satisfying finish yes, but still, way more questions than answers there. In fact the only Ridley Scott film I have ever seen with a happy uplifting ending was Black Rain and that was ONLY after a very hard core violence filled conclusion. Ridley Scott seems to always go with whatever seems most realistic for the situation at hand and in this case...I fear...the message is..."Mankind is in Trouble" !!! I would dearly love if what you are wanting happens. I would love to see an uplifting message of hope, but I think in the end it would be very unrealistic of me to expect one, and especially given the subject matter of this film, the creatures it presents, and what we know of their history and origins!!! Juts My opinion. I want you to get your wish, I just don't see how that's gonna happen!!!

I agree, it does deal with some very intense things. But if the story is good, and they way Scott lights it, i think it can be told without an R rating. But not sure on the PG-13, yes it will get bums on seats and I am cynical I think studios are out to produce products that will make a return regardless of story. I do not believe all their hyperbole about story being paramount sometimes.....its ALL about the bottom line. I just dont see how they can deliver a scary/thriller and have it at PG-13. That dont mean it has to have nudity or shit like that, but its a thriller/horror yes? So theres gonna have to be stuff in there that will freak a 13 yr old? That is my biggest concern...I dont mind about the PG-13 cut so much as long as their is an extended cut with everything in it needed to deliver on a great thriller format. Now I know great thrillers dont need to be 18 or R rated...like Hitchcock..tinker tailor(film and BBC version) and various others. But whatever they may say ,this is connected to the Alien universe...Scott has said he wants to scare the shit out of us, that being the case I dont see a way to do it at PG-13?...

I typed THIS into google just now.. "Ridley Scott on Upliftng Endings" What I discovered is that on just about every film he put out that had one, it was ONLY after the Studios forced him to. They did it for Blade Runner and did it for Legend and he even said he wanted things to end differently for Thelma and Louise, who although triumph, they do it by Killing themselves and that's still pretty Bleak if you ask me. My point is he never wants to end things that way, but it is rather the studios that do and force their directors to. He is a brilliant and wise director though, one of the best out there all time, and if it makes sense I would welcome such an ending with open arms...and there's one last thing... I feel you hit on something very important here, and it might help him to have a message of Hope for Humanity at the end of this thing, heck it might even help it's box office...if it can be done in a away that makes sense fits the films flow, and more importantly just plain works.

Ok just two things ( of course can go the way you say ...its just my opinion ) 1) Ridley scott give always some sort of "payback" in his stories ..in gladiator the hero die yes but he win and there is the afterlife shoot and all the rest ..so there is a big payback ...the same with blade runner ...a total bleak movie with a surprisingly happy ending ...do you immagine "the duellists " with a bleak ending ? or Alien with a bleak ending ? that would have been really a rape for the viewer !! the big payback in prometheus can be ( and i pretty sure will be ) the destruction of the bad guys even at the cost of all the crew . We know that space jockeys and the "aliens" are in pretty bad shape for the rest of the series ( in fact they are more the "survivors" than the humans ) 2) Ridley scott is 74 ..is an age when you need "hope" ... you cant be depressed and bleak at that age ...you can act as a hard , sadic , cool guy when you are young but when you are older you have to go a bit deeper into things and at the end of things there is always one thing that remain ..hope in a good ending .There is hope in all his movies so i will be surprised that if wont happen now .

Given the story or what many think the story to be..Engineers/gods/creators...maybe that gives a chance to have some uplifting ending? If prometheus is its own animal and its link to Alien is a subplot then yeah it may work to end on a happy note. But with some doubts..Im sure there is and maybe always was plans to continue the story in the Prometheus universe? So a happy ending with a way to continue it...

you guys raised some fantastic points, it could go either way for sure, or who knows, but I am inclined to think although he may leave it open to interpretation and so that he can make more of these, the end result of some of the Prometheus Crew Stealing even just 1 of them "Ampules", if that's what really happens, is going to resonate right through to the ending of this thing, and it will not be pretty or nice, it will be some sort of Wicked Nasty Thang !!!

this green goo, or what the green goo results in is probably the new direction they have been talking about.

I think its safe to say the Urns hold something important alright.... so many possibilities with this one...never mind where it could go!

Ok, so wanted to pick up a few things from what Frantz said earlier and his views on bleak endings.. I see what your saying, but i think it's a very simplistic way of viewing it. yes a lot of films put a bleak ending in to gain critical credibility, but what Ridley scott has always done IMO is put himself in the position of "this is real, and if it's real, how is it inevitably going to end or what is the most realistic ending" obviously for a given value of real dealing with a film set in space. As i've said before one of the scariest film's i've ever seen had no sex, no swearing, no gore, and it was rated a 15 in the uk because the psychological horror was enough to warrant 15 rating. But it all depends on context, I don't want to see Sadism, torture and gore that is pointless either. IMO hostel was a poor excuse for a "horror" film. The first saw was excellent because it was mostly to guys in a room, but after that, saw 2 onwards, they just became about more and more sadistic traps for the viewers titillation (yes i do have that little faith in the general movie going public). But when guys here say we have would like everyone wiped out at the end, it's because that's most likely what would happen in the circumstances. Alien was one of the greatest films of any genre, but the end, the very very end was a cop out. Now ridley did his best and made it terriying, but at the end of the day the hero won out in circumstances which were nearly impossible to win out against. granted we wouldn't be sitting here now discussing prequels and sequels. What I'm saying is, it's all about context, and in the context of this film we are looking at body shock style horror, where the horror comes from the origins of life as a whole. The inferences there, are that what kind of creatures would the creators of life be, just how much value would we hold to them, and if he were beginning to look like rivals what would they do to maintain supremacy? would they have any qualms ripping us to pieces anymore than we would feel bad putting insecticide into an ants nest or putting salt on a slug when it's damaging your plants? We don't rail for a bad ending because "it'll be cool that everyone dies" or "it'll mean lots of torture or sadism" we want a bleak ending because in the case of the alien series, it's entirely appropriate. Your payback idea is actually a good spot, but it's what we're talking about in an ending that's bleak. Look at the Thing, yes they won, but we can only assume Childs and Macready froze to death. I don't think there was anything happy about the bladerunner ending, at leastin the case of the directors cut. The original version had a badly tacked on expository voice over by Ford and a studio approved sunshiney ending which i personally think was a dream anyway (the earth is polluted and devastated, everyone left for the colonies because it was so bad, so where the hell did the sunshine, tree's, and glistening lake come from). On Ridleys Scotts age being a factor.. Ridley Scott is true to his art. If the context of the film requires "hope" then you get it, if it doesn't, then you don't. Gladiator as a specific case, well he'd spent so much time developing max as a character, and having you empathise with and had done such crappy things to him throughout the film, that he couldn't not give him his family back at the end. I don't think we every saw ripley in the same way, or thelma and louise etc. Black Hawk down was a real event, fathers and sons and brothers died, to potray that any other way would have lessened their memories. Context

I'm surprised none of you have mentioned the Predator.

Space Jockey's turn out to be human.

- I hate very most CGI Monsters. You SEE that its not real, no matter how many millions they invest in it. - please no love story! - please no Russel Crowe! I am so happy with M. Fassbender.. great actor - please give me some aliens. I want to know who and how they were created - no need for the old facehugger story. Nice one on the first parts of aliens - but not the same horror again and again...

What I fear the most is a super confusing plot line with tuns of timetravel....i'm pretty sure I will watch this movie many times ...but I don't want it to be cause i did not understand just WTF happened after watching it the first time. I just want a deep, thought provoking and disturbing horror story in space...not something with a plot that jumps back and fourth. I don't mind CGI...but their is good and bad CGI in my opinion...they must just not overdo it. I definitely would like to see some xeno's ...even if it's only towards the end of the story...I don't mind if they look slightly different in concept....would be refreshing to see an altered xeno! I am hoping for tuns of gore as well!

I would like to think we're safe from bad CGI, Ridley is known to use it to enhance the physical sets, not replace them altogether (george lucas, I'm looking at you). Look at Black Hawk Down and Gladiator, they were full of CGI but it was done the right way, so it wasn't obvious. I'm not necessarily hoping for tons of gore, looking at alien, with the exception of a few scenes, it really wasn't that gory. The chestburster yes, but after that we never really saw anything, it was always off camera or the aftermath of an attack, Ridley let our minds do the work. The scariest film i ever saw had virtually no violence, gore, sex or swearing. I think the thing about Alien and Aliens was, they both drove the franchise forward. Alien was first and established the concept, Aliens was a different kind of film (war film in space compared to psychological horror) but added to the concept. and had new ideas. all the cinematic cut of ALien 3 and Res did was tread old territory. what would i hate to see? Sigourney Weaver having anything to do with this film even in cameo. She's had her time. Stupidly and cheesily tacked on fanboy demands, like for example the predalien in predator (lets face it AVP's series was a result of fanboy demands). What works in a comic will not necessarily work on film. Rehashing of things like the powerloader (this is our new PL-3 billion combat exoskeleton protoytpe, oh you mean the powerloaders originally came from a military application?), human technology looking more advanced than it did in the original films (sudden inexplicable holographic monitors etc). Too much of a good thing i.e. seeing to much of the jockeys, 'morphs, jockey tech in action etc etc

Tec-B is right, Ridley Scott has always said "If you can do it in-camera, do it in-camera". He has always been an avid supporter of physical visual effects. Yes, in recent years he has used CGI, but he has only ever used it for elements that could not or weren't viable to be done practically (the stadium in Gladiator, the crash in Black Hawk Down). What I think we will see is elements that Ridley discusses in the DVD commentary for Alien, that he would have liked to do first time round - the omni-sexuality of a deep space crew, the more perverse elements of the xeno's behaviour, the pyramid and urn idea, the benign nature of the SJ's, the creation of the xeno's by the SJ's, the selfish and deviant nature of a corporate future, the sexual wantings of androids etc. Speaking of which, on that last point, we have all seen the still of Theron/Rapace in hypersleep with someones hand on the cryotube... I have a strong belief that hand belongs to David (Michael Fassbender) the android, and that he holds secret sexual feelings for the woman in that cryotube, whom I suspect will be Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and I suspect is backed up by the recent HQ still where David looks in Shaws direction in the ampule room with adoration in his eyes. I sort of echo of the "magazine" scene in Alien, if you will.

actually the sexual aspect of androids is intereting, we know from aliens that older models were "twitchy" perhaps older models than was present in Alien were more twitchy again, maybe early models were made "too human" which results in a dehumanising of the the models to the point that we see Bishop in Aliens. Perhaps the whole thing with ash and the rolled up magazine (ridleys equivalent of android sex) was a leftover glitch from the attempts to eradicate thhat portion of their programming Also I'd hate to see outright "Friendly" or "Evil" jockeys, would like to see some depth there, like for example "benevolent but jealous" or "Benign to a point but intolerent of competition"

Ah, But then we have Call that had everone, including Ripley fooled into believing she was human. I think the SJ's will be shown to be benign, but indifferent. We are after all a primitive species compared to them.

yep but Call was a machine designed by machines, which is why the line was shut down, they became too human. Benign but indifferent would be fine, they don't harm us but don't help us either. All though i think a jealous "these humans are getting to close to us" idea would be interesting

I would not like to see "who is the bad guy, who is the good guy" though most people like it "simple" and "clear". But life is not simple and clear, its very complicated. Good and bad is just a point of view, an illusion created from mankind. Nature (and universe.) does not care or know about "good or bad". As the Joker said "i just DO things". So the engineers just "do" things, which are basically not bad or good. They just DO things. It does not really exist - and definitely not at the other end of a wormhole!

that's very lovecraftian and would be awesome to see, and i hope ridley does do that. Unfortunately studio's very much do have a concept of good and bad when it comes to films.. 95% of the time the good guy must be obviously good. Even Antiheroes which shouldn't be good or bad as such still manage to come out clearly dilineated. I have faith in Ridley though, he should have more than enough clout to be allowed to make the film as he see's fit

@ SF - I think you have a point, It may not be how the SJ's are portrayed, but more how they are percieved by the humans/androids that will leave us with the question - are the SJ's a helpful race, a deviant race or an indifferent race. As obi-wan said "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view", it is always about perspective.

I just hope to God this film doesn't end up like the prequel to 'The Thing'... Show us more of the remote, cold worlds that birthed the first film but don't tell us everything.

that was supposedly just badly handled though, its not knowing or exposition that's bad, its the restrospective thought later on when you realise the backstory wasn't as good as you thought it would be

1.) Poor acting from Theron 2.) Overused CG 3.) Any of the crew members surviving in unrealistic circumstances 4.) Any poorly handled (too obvious) reference to Alien 5.) Anyone mentioning the words; "Nostromo", or "Ripley" 6.) A facehugger, chestburster, original Xeno or Queen making an appearance

I agree Mentos, one thing I hate if not the most is when a sequel or prequel or any film thats related to another series rips off classic scenes from the film or tries to rein-act the same scene/scenes over again. I have faith and trust in Ridley that he will make something original. The fact that H.R. Giger came back to do the set design and creature effects is also a plus. Ridley is a genius and an incredible filmmaker, so I'm not very concerned with any kind of poor scripting or acting. I'm pretty sure as well that there most likely won't be any references put into the movie regarding "Ripley" or the "Nostromo" nor any of the other plot elements from the other Alien movies, considering that the storyline in Prometheus takes place 30 years before the birth of Ellen Ripley. The only possible plot element they could use is the planet LV-426 where the Space Jockey and the derelict ship landed in the first Alien film and even then the Space Jockey is dead due to an Alien bursting out of its chest.

To see the filmmakers changing the film based on things people say in this thread or others. No compromise.

Great comment "Nargleberry", I agree!

Pg13 will ruin this film, and fact that they've been flirting with it to allow teenies to be able to watch it is more scary than any plot they could come up with

Your theory is sound, it kinda fits in with the idea I had that Human + Space Jockey = Xenomorph. I also like the possibilty of there being two droids. David - good droid, Vickers - bad droid?

i think that you are presuming a bit too much ...to me fassbender is explaining something to rapace ...to be honest i dont see sexual interest in that face expression ( its the same expression i do when i ask for bread to the hairy guy in the shop ..now im worried ) ... the hand on the cryo can be the one of Marshall Green that is worried for her ... i know that is very funny to try to undersant what is going on but lets not exhagerate huh ...

its just theory and speculation, but lets not forget that it would mirror the magazine scene from Alien.

Vickers IS an android, she's the second one, we found this out somewhere I forget where and how but it has to be her. I think we found something where she even suggests it's the case. Bottom line...one of those two Androids is a plant from "The Company" !!! Or both are but only one of them has "another agenda" !!! I am betting it's Vickers!