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When first posted I did not read all the posts just the most recent ones before I decided to express idea I have read a handful more since and have a few thoughts on spaceship battle AC/Xeno origins first I would say ship to ship battles probably not a good idea for the prequel series tie in because this needs to be more about character , science and Q&A then action spectaculars right now let's not let the series grow a new found integrity then blast it out to space but a two or three movie spinoff trilogy about a secret war with the Engineers fighting each other or galactic species could be a awesome foundation for ship to ship and even massive planet battle ground battles hell they could even fix the Alien Resurrection movie by discounting it and starting fresh with the galactic war Ripley clone soldier approach when and if they intend to go that far down the timeline again these battles could and probably would be insanely cool butt I personally would shelf that for later and as far as AC go's what if when David got to the planet he found research , testing and ideas for breeding and weapons the Engineers intended on creating and using and David collected thier research added his science and efforts to it and came up with what we were delivered in AC as far as the Morphs go and Davids ego maybe decided to claim their ideas for himself or even destroying that evidence only leaving his research to be discovered in AC basically the Xenomorph could have already been in existence at one point but different then Davids creation and it was killed by Engineers when they saw what it was and the uncontrollable threat it is or maybe they never got to finish what they started so David took it upon himself to do so and for all we know the Xenomorph is more ancient than we know this is why I enjoy expanded united movies so much because it never ends when the credits role you start to think and ponder and discussions are born ideas more embraced and that is why I love Prometheus because it took a great franchise and made it so much more as far as AC goes everyone is always hating but something this big always have mistakes and achievements and look at MarvelCinematicUniverse or any other for that matter not all there movies are good he'll most of the DC Universe sucks Ridley Scott and Fox will work there mistakes out and from Prometheus and AC they will create great things
"This sentence is about the fact that there are people (including you?) who don't want more people to watch AC. Members and other readers can understand this sentence, they don't need me to explain it better."
No it is not, once again you misunderstand me. What I mean is that it is like some animated show were they have things doing surreal crap. It is almost like someone gave that weather cloud a conscious so it could decide what ever it would like to do. It is almost like the weather deiced like "what shall I do today (heavily bored)... let's go f shit up!" To me that almost felt like a surreal animated movie with some slightly bizarre things happening that is what made me laugh not the fact that less people could watch it or that it probably cause many people some serious trouble. The head-line made me laugh because of how it was written not that it made less people watch AC (!).
As far as the claim that I don't want people to watch AC is kind of irrational. I watched it four times and I am not a huge fan of it but sure people can check it out if they want to.
NotoriousShorty No, the Engineers shouldn't be exactly the villain. I agree on that.
Ridley, hire Maxime for the sequel!
Thanks for sharing this.
Making the Engineers completely menacing and evil/bad guy like is not the right way to go because to make this chapter of the universe as well as the universe in whole more interesting and progressive in its story telling we need to see the Engineers as good guys or neutral at certain points of the story to really feel attached to the science , emotion and story but having different groups , clans or states within the species that over the existence of the species have disagreed , dissolved and disappointed there culture and beliefs so that there are good and bad engineers based on politics , religion and power that causes rogue actions like the theory that the alien wall in Prometheus stands for crucifying part of the species and there leader that went its own way or turned on the human race and was stopped by its own there are endless ideas and possibilities but I don't think it should go way of totally menacing then it feels like we are just replacing Xenos with Engineers as for Prometheus and Covenant I enjoy both films I like that Prometheus has helped Alien be more than just action/horror but Covenant lets you stray just long enough that while you know it has to do with Prometheus it's more traditional and keeps you hungry for more story you could just think of AC as a spinoff film that happened around the same time/years the Prometheus trilogy was or will happen and Prometheus is a cross roads film and the start to the film universe where you watch and think if I go left I will run into AC and if I go right I will continue on to watching Prometheus 2
Lawrence of Arabia - 'I can't wait for more news on Covenant 2'
Oh, yes, the same here, but I don't like the title Awakening, I hope they'll change it.
I can't wait for more news on Covenant 2, thank David we have the Origin novel coming out soon lol
The Ovomorphs are beautiful!
I knew that Fox would say something about the future of the franchise after the Japanese first weekend.
And now I believe that Scott will inform us about the AC sequel after the Blade Runner 2049 premiere. Exciting months are coming…
But it’s actually actor Michael Fassbenderplaying a pair of A.I. units—the platinum blond David and the mousier brunette Walter—who is the new “Ripley” of this series. “It’s the A.I. that’s the real connective tissue of this franchise,” Waterston observes. “People keep saying I’m the Ripley. I’m not. It’s Fassbender.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/03/alien-covenant-ridley-scott
Not exactly in Scott's words but this pretty much sums it up. Covenant was meant to shed Prometheus in a new light with this revelation.
You're welcome. Youtube is full of Scott interviews on AC, it won't be a big problem to find his exact words.
Well thanks for the vague info, it was really helpful.
Chris - Thanks, and you are agreed.
Lawrence of Arabia - The photos showing the egg (next to comment section) are awesome. The eggs look so different!
Chris - Glad you like it. I like this Zampieri version much more, its ears are awesome.
'I just think that people should be allowed to like what ever movie they want, doesn't mean that I have to agree with them.'
Nobody claimed in this thread that you have to agree with them!
You wrote: 'Those that dislike the movie and don't want more people to watch AC manipulated...'
This sentence is about the fact that there are people (including you?) who don't want more people to watch AC. Members and other readers can understand this sentence, they don't need me to explain it better.
Yes... They are different...
Lawrence of Arabia - 'Prometheus was David's film with Shaw as a co-lead like Daniels is with Covenant.'
That's true and it should be seen!
But it's OK if there are people who don't agree with that.
red0guy@gmail.com - If the exact words by him are so important for you, watch his AC interviews and you'll find them. There are more with this info, but I remember a video in which he is together with Waterston. Go ahead.
"Ridley Scott does not agree with this statement." - where did he state this? I would be interested in his exact words.
'I don't agree that Prometheus was David's story.' - Ridley Scott does not agree with this statement.
'I don't care about Lawrence of Arabia.' - That's a strange opinion, considering that 'Lawrence of Arabia' - the character and the original movie - is an important background element of Prometheus.
Ripley: It's already loose.
(dk isn't managing this thread like he said he was. I wonder what's up?)
Yea, I can see that David had a purpose to find alien technology for the Prometheus expedition for sure, that is until Weyland died and the Prometheus crashed and killed everyone except for Shaw.
I think Covenant had by far the best dialogue of all the Alien movies.
I agree, the film is so quotable and the writing is intelligent.
Covenant was very dark, almost unbearable sometimes and the ending left no door open for hope, David in control of so many helpless good souls, Daniels going into cryosleep with the thought that David is going to do to her what he did to Shaw... Can you feel that desperation?
A big part of what I love about Covenant so much is how dark it is, the film is very anti-human and nihilistic.
Matt and Dane have been really cool when it comes to interacting with the fanbase :)
Would love this poster hung up on my wall :)
First poster is the best!
Thank you for the updates and insightful comments. Glad Covenant is doing well in good ol' Nippon. :)
I think you misunderstand what these prequels are about. You don't have to agree but it's still a fact. Prometheus was David's film with Shaw as a co-lead like Daniels is with Covenant.
You don't have to care for Lawrence of Arabia but that film clearly inspires a lot in this new saga to which I'm trying to explain.
Getting the Engineers right is key. Their holy city has been desecrated....thousands dead...Who knows what important leaders have been killed.....remains of monkey like creatures are found and one buried on holy ground!! A large statue of the founding father has been decapitated!
They should also explain why it took 10+ years for the Engineers to arrive at planet 4 and survey the devastation.....is 10 years like 10 seconds to a eon spanning race? Maybe they left for other galaxies and it takes decades to return or even receive the news.
"The Engineer society could be interesting to see as far as the religion and political structures are concerned. They must be done in a menacing way to be a real threat".
The interesting element to this request is you only to have to listen to the writers commentaries on Prometheus to understand that is precisely what they had in mind for the follow up.
The awe filled wonder of the creation myth in the prologue.
The implications Pietro said that underlying the state of LV 223 was Paradise Lost.
The really interesting element was the creation myth designed around consensual sacrifice. From that it was very easy to see how at some point that had become corrupted and lead to non consensual sacrifice which is hinted at in the Covenant Mural but plays no part in the film.
Sacrifice
A Fall Paradise Lost
Retribution
Those were the themes hinted at in Prometheus all that needed to happen was for Shaw the ultimate survivor whose faith was going to be tested in an even more horrific way and David the ultimate passive aggressive personality who hates humanity and loves Shaw to arrive at Paradise Alive and alive with the most horrendous truths hinted at in discarded lines from Logan's drafts.
That is not me also defining my fan entitlement its simply pointing out they looked through the opening to a really interesting foot path and stopped turned left and turned up at the Xeno Fix Bar.
That is a good piece of art.
I just think that people should be allowed to like what ever movie they want, doesn't mean that I have to agree with them.
Ati: What people enjoy and not is a varied thing. I just laughed at the thought that the weather by some conspiracy crashed it for those that like Alien Covenant and that the biggest problem as far as the head-line is concerned is that many people didn't get to see AC not that people get homeless and other bad things caused by the shitty weather.
The first one beats all
Getting back on topic.
Alien: Covenant is expected to fall to #5 in Japan this weekend. It estimated to pull in around $875K for the weekend which would bring it to a total of $5.8M. Early estimates for the weekend expected on Sunday.
Yep, another great post! Matt is a really cool guy, so glad to see him engaging with fans and answering questions.
I really like the second one!
Loved the Hammerpede. Wish we saw more of it in Prometheus. Also love this artwork, thanks for sharing!
Yep! Covered this news the other day, here. The franchise is definitely not dead.
This video is as scathing as the previous one. Ati you need to cheer up Mr H, I know you can.
