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First time i've seen this concept art and it looks interesting. I speculate since the doomed Prometheus mission, rival companies emerged all wanting to claim a stake in "Terraforming", and Weyland merged with Yutani as a way to make both "Companies" stronger and stay on top.

    Now this "Maginot" ship, i think is a ship sent out after the events of Prometheus and Covenant, consisting of a team of Weyland Company people and Scientists, that rendezvous with David somewhere out in space. Ofcourse David deceives this Maginot crew, and they end up with more than they bargained for when they recieve Xenomorph eggs, which eventually break out on the ship causing it to crash on arrival back to Earth. 

                       Cue lot's of Corporate battling between Prodigy Corp and W/Y and the Xeno outbreak which both companies fight to contain. I think this is what the ALIEN Franchise truly needs; a continued direction from the Core narrative Ridley Scott layed out, but with fresh "Input" from other talented storytellers. Hopefully this series can combine the whole Corporate espionage with horror/suspense of the Xenomorph in all it's splendor. 

First time i've seen this concept art and it looks interesting. I speculate since the doomed Prometheus mission, rival companies emerged all wanting to claim a stake in "Terraforming", and Weyland merged with Yutani as a way to make both "Companies" stronger and stay on top.

    Now this "Maginot" ship, i think is a ship sent out after the events of Prometheus and Covenant, consisting of a team of Weyland Company people and Scientists, that rendezvous with David somewhere out in space. Ofcourse David deceives this Maginot crew, and they end up with more than they bargained for when they recieve Xenomorph eggs, which eventually break out on the ship causing it to crash on arrival back to Earth. 

                       Cue lot's of Corporate battling between Prodigy Corp and W/Y and the Xeno outbreak which both companies fight to contain. I think this is what the ALIEN Franchise truly needs; a continued direction from the Core narrative Ridley Scott layed out, but with fresh "Input" from other talented storytellers. Hopefully this series can combine the whole Corporate espionage with horror/suspense of the Xenomorph in all it's splendor. 

yeah, Noah Hawley's alien I think will be worse than alien vs predator 04

I think xenomorph bioships/hiveships would be terrifying

I wish that was shown in the movie

It good to see you again Big Dave

This seems to be the DEATH of the Walter Hill and David Giler version of ALIEN V which seemed to indicate a LOT of the Franchise could be down to DREAMS!

Ripley had her STORY..... it should have ENDED with ALIEN 3.

The ONLY thing to Salvage from Ripley would be the AFTERMATH of Alien Resurrection.  Where we have Ripley 8 being to me the more IDEAL kind of Bio-Weapon for a Company than the Xenomorph.

The ALIEN Franchise is a Mess to be Honest..... and seems NONE of them can come up with anything Decent that does-not go and Retcon or Conflict stuff.

It seems the Idea we have NOW is yeah lets bring the Xenomorph to Earth some 20 Years before ALIEN.... oh well!

Looking at these IMAGES... if they are Official.

It would seem to Imply that we are getting a PLOT that is Prior to Alien Covenant but after Prometheus.... it would Indicate that a W-Y Ship has gone to some place and Obtained a Xenomorph Specimen.... and during its Entry into Earths Atmosphere it has had a Outbreak that Results in a Crash.

This Crash likely being within the Prodigy Corps Backyard and so they CLAIM the Finders Keepers and begin to Experiment on the Xenomorphs.

The First leaks we had for the TV Series in the Promotional Posters etc was showing us a Face Hugger that was on the Walls of a Partially Submerged Cavern or Ships interior that had the Engineers Aesthetic.

Leading me to Speculate that either a Human Company would Discover a Crashed Engineer Ship or Sunken Engineer Outpost on Earth.... or on some other Planet and a Specimen is brought to Earth.

PERSONALLY.... i have Little Hope for this Project, i think its going to CONFLICT the Franchise and Especially as it would be set some 20 Years before ALIEN and yet we have Xenomorphs running around in City Locations on Earth!

Unless its a Alternative take aka Multiverse.. i think its ASKING for Trouble.

I think that you can EXPAND beyond the Xenomorph, this is something that RS had Envisioned... but there was a LOT of Dislike from those who like the Xenomorph and so i think the Xenomorph is the PULLING force to Sell the Franchise but its also its BANE... it will take a Good Juggling Act to TRY and Satisfy everyone and i cant see this working...

I think its a Pickle as to HOW do you Evolve the Xenomorph, its Story... without either giving us a Star Ship Troopers or a Space Jason Voorhees because all we Basically have is a Parasitic Killing Machine that was either Naturally Occurring or Engineered.

I think the David Arc is FINISHED.....

I suspect a NEW Canon would arise that would PUSH those Movies with David as something to FORGET that Happened.

I think a Decent Writer could FIX the Problems, and Warrant to get us at least  NOVEL that would Cover what becomes of David and what links the Prequels to ALIEN but i cant see this EVER happening.

As for the Movie.... its all Quiet at the Moment the Emphasis could be to Concentrate on the TV Series First and then GAUGE the Reaction of the Fans. I dont EXPECT to see a MOVIE before 2026

Seems to be more like some of the Concept works for the New Born before we got the Abomination we ENDED up with in Alien R it would be Interesting to see WHAT the Monsters of the Paglen/Green Drafts would have been like.

Maybe these are some of them?

All this MESS had came about due to Reaction  by the Powers that be to some of the Negativity of Prometheus (lack of Answers to the Xenomorph or having anything like it on Screen) and the Growing Interest in Blomkamps Alien V....

which then led to the Xenomorph being FORCED into the Plot and a Re-Working of what was Originally being worked on in 2014... to what became the Summer 2015 Drafts that became our Alien Covenant. We may NEVER see the Light of Day of any of the Work by Paglen and Green.... but it would seem it would NOT have been like Alien Covenant..... certainly as FAR as seeing Xenomorphs.

It would seem that the PLAN by Ridley Scott was that David had Created the Xenomorph but as this HAD NOT gone down well.... It left it OPEN to be Explored in another way.

This makes a Complete MESS of the Franchise in trying to UNDO what Alien Covenant had Shown....   I have NOT gone and Read the RPG or its Material.

The ONLY WAY to make Sense of it all NOW would be that the Engineers had Encountered something they had NOT Created, and that they had seen this Organism as having some TRAITS that would be USEFUL to Create the PERFECT ORGANISM.... and they Began Experiments which lead to the DEACON.

David had then worked this OUT and either (A) had Attempted to Harness the Genetics/DNA of the more PURE FORM that the Engineers Deacon had came from to Create his OWN Variant of the more Ancient Organism. or (B)  that Experiments with DNA of the Deacon and other Related Organisms contained the Genetic Makeup of the Xenomorph and would Eventually become Refined on its own to Revert back to Closer to the Xenomorph.

In Order to make this FIT more in with Supporting Evidence it would be IDEAL to then Indicate that the Derelict had been on LV-426 for Hundreds of Years or even just Decades before the LV-223 Experiments to Create the Deacons...

A U-Turn on what had been indicated by RS Comments at the Time of Prometheus which was that the events of the Outbreak on LV-223 had resulted in something that Evolved to those Eggs on the Derelict some Few Hundred years after.

This was changed to possibly indicate that at some point within the Next 10 Years after the events of ALIEN COVENANT would see HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got onto the Derelict but their Origins would have came from the Experiments that David had Conducted on Planet 4.

But the Consensus seems that MOST of the Fans prefer that the Xenomorph is something that has been around prior to Prometheus, and it would seem that Disney would likely be ON BOARD with the same Concept.

And Hence the OPTION A or B i had mentioned above would be ideal ways to TIDY UP the Loose Ends.

this is better pitures but everyother piture is ulgy.

We can ONLY go and Speculate as to what had Happened.

The NUTS and BOLTS seems to Indicate that David had Experimented and Cross-Hybred a Number of Different Experiments... which Included the USE of Female Engineers.

But is seems that he Found that Dr Shaw's Body and most likely HER very Reproductive Organs had Yielded more Perfect Results...

The Indication is therefor that those EGGS in the Room that Oram was taken to had came about thanks to the Donation of Dr Shaws Body.  It is UNLIKELY that she had wanted to PLAY any Part in this.... it would seem that Dr Shaw had DIED some how, and then David had then thought about USING HER in his Experiments.

The Drawings of Dr Shaw, had been indicated as Possibly being Twisted Thoughts and Desires of David.

"It is her motivation to perhaps go along with David's plot or in his twisted mind, his 'gift' to her"

It had been Indicated by someone on SET that Dr Shaw had been HIDING away in the Crashed Juggernaught.  Looking at Various Clues.... i would CONCLUDE the Most Likely Fate of Dr Shaw is as Follows.

* David would have led Dr Shaw to believe some Accident had Happened that Caused the Ship to Crash and Contaminate the Planet.

* He would advise Dr Shaw to remain in the Ship while he would go out and Explore the Planet looking for Clues and the Extent of the Contamination.

* It is likely that Dr Shaw would require Food and Water, and Once Supplies were LOW on the Ship, David would bring her more from the Planet (his Notes show he had been to Water Bodies and Studied Plants and Water Organisms). And so he likely brought her Water and Food and made some Excuse to HOW they are NOT Contaminated.

* She would grow Suspicious of him as he would Disappear for Days on End, and its LIKELY she would One Day go and Follow him, and then Stumble upon the Experiments he had been Conducting on the Engineers.

* She would Confront him, and he would LIKELY suggest he did all this for HER and he was trying to Find a way so that she can Re-Produce so that eventually she could Re-Populate this World and make it a NEW EDEN.

* She would DECLINE and likely try to FLEE or ATTACK him, and then she would have LIKELY gone to Attempt to LEAVE in the Juggernaught.  But Failed.

* David catches her.... she eventually Dies or is Killed and then David goes to USE her for his Experiments... Resulting in those Eggs.

Yes, I love rejected concepts

Thanks, it's always interesting to see what could have been.

wicked

After reading more into the Alien RPG, I now like to think of the xenomorphs as being an ancient organism rather than a recent creation

Yes!

I consider the ovomorph and the facehugger to be the same species as the rest of the xenomorphs as Linguafoeda acheronsis since they carry the xenomorph's genetic material just different stages of the same species.

I like the consolidated information. My only revision to the ARPG is switching the Facehugger's scientific name to Noxhydria manumala, which lets the Ovomorph take the sensible name of Noxhydria noxhydria, as genus Noxhydria can contain both lifeforms, while genus Manumala limits itself to only the XX121 facehugger, its Praetomorph cousin, and maybe the Trilobite.

Cameron was trying to tell a different story and didn’t want to open that can. Although the question is vital and needs to be answered. I personally think it would’ve made a good plot line for the third movie but we got a bunch of off-the-wall junk instead.

 Truth is the only information that the company had about the real fate of the Nostromo was held with Burke (Head of special projects) He was in possession of the analysis teams (Introtech facility in Japan) original final report. Introtech was W-Y go to for Air/Space disaster reconstruction and inquiry. Burke later obtained the Narcissus flight recorder from Introtech. All operational and diagnostic logs from the mothership (USCSS Nostromo)  were downloaded to this shuttlecrafts (Narcissus) flight recorder box.

Burke just heavily redacted information before conveying it to his supervisors. Burke also saw the opportunity to make some $$$$ and was going to take it!

sorry one more post

"Would that be different enough, though? I can see that point, but I would prefer new things"

Well they would be xenomorphs of corase but more specialized breeds or even evolved from an earlier caste. Maybe we might have flying xenomorphs that could eventually evolve into a xenomorph starship-caste, kind of evolve the xenomorphs into being like the tyrannids or zerg. I know that might sound video gamey but its an avenue the alien series could take

 Crap forgot again that I can't edit.

I mean the neomorphs are basically prototype xenomorphs same with the deacon from prometheus. They are both parasitic that have parallels to the xenomorph proper. They botch hatch from an egg-like structure, they both have a infector form, they both violently are birthed by bursting out of its host and they both have elongated heads and long limbs.

If you have it heavily focused on super humans, it maybe alien as in the unknown or whatever but its no longer ALIEN, its now a generic sci-fi tv series.

Crap, i can't believe i typed 1993 instead of 1992

Well the xenomorph is the star of the alien franchise and everyone thinks of the xenomorphs when mentioned the ALIEN movies and ALIEN was the xenomorphs name before the word xenomorph became popular, again its like Godzilla with no Godzilla or a Predator movie with no Yautja/Predator

The last picture at the right looks a bit like Han in the carbon freeze in Jabba's palace.

Xenotaris

“Then its not ALIEN, it would be like watching a Godzilla movie without Godzilla”

I understand that kind of thinking, but I disagree. You can have things that are in the same family, so to speak, but I see why some think that the Xeno needs to be there. Eventually it depends on what you want to have there for you to consider it alien.

Alien means unknown, so to have the same thing in it, so it becomes familiar, seems to go against that. Too much use of the alien (Xeno) makes it repetitive and less alien, so to speak. Unfortunately, Alien Covenant misused the Xenomorph so it became another low point for it. Maybe you could have it in a cameo at best, but used with more respect than in Covenant.

AR and AVP, I think that they were overused and not used well there. My biggest problem with the AVP's and AR isn't how they did the monsters, but other things too. The human characters were weak, and the tone were too light-hearted, those are my main problems with them. About AVPR, no matter if the monsters would've been better, the movie would still be a turd. AVPR doesn't even have a story that is stitched together, it has random scenes that don't even connect and characters that are just there to be killed but you don't get to know them so to me at least when they die I just don't give a.

Alien 3 was 1992, not 1993. (Nerd comment, LOL)

“I think they should introduce more stronger variants of xenomorphs”

Would that be different enough, though? I can see that point, but I would prefer new things. It's like how much more variations can you do on the same thing before it gets old? The prequels are so and so, but at least they tried new monsters, which I consider in their favor.

I would like to see a movie or a TV-show where they balance the monsters and the Engineers if we are about to talk antagonists. More Engineers please even though some might disagree, more of the same old gets stale fast.

Okay one more multiposting, not trying to get on anyone's case just want to convey my thoughts on it all.

I forgot to mention AVPR like AVP didn't expand on the xenomorph instead just reused from the expanded universe as I mentioned the Predalien before, the sequel gave us a Predalien Praetorian. So basically it combined two expanded universe castes together but it did add that praetorians can inject xenomorph larvae directly into a host.

So I don't think its that the xenomorphs are overused, I think its more that the xenomorphs haven't quite evolved beyond establishing hives. If they were zerg, the xenomorph hives seen on Lv-426, Auriga, and Antarctica would have been a starter Hatchery Level Hive cluster. I think they should introduce more stronger variants of xenomorphs

I think execution was the problem with AVP and Resurrection, not that they were overused they weren't creative with the xenomorphs like the first three movies were.

The only thing Resurrection added was the Hybrid and the Cloned Xenomorphs but still the cloned xenomorphs used the usually familiar caste of xenomorphs, Ovomorphs, facehuggers, chestbursters, Drones/Warriors and a Queen.

AVP added no new xenomorph type and technically the Predalien existed in the expanded universe a good decade before the AVP movie.

Contrast with the original Alien which introduced the Ovomorph, facehugger, chestburster and Drone cast for the first time in 1979 and then in 2003 reintroduced the egg morphing ability.

Aliens introduced the Warrior variants to the Drone caste and the Xenomorph Queen to the big screen back in 1986.

Alien 3 introduced the xenomorph's DNA reflex back in 1993 with the introduction of the Runner.

When we add in the Alien prequels, Prometheus expanded upon the xenomorph's creators and gave us the protomorph (Deacon)

Alien Covenant gave us the Neomorphs and the Praetomorph (David's xenomorphs)

Part of the backlash against the recent Jurassic World Dominion was a lack of threatening dinosaur presence since genetically modified bugs took center stage and the Giganotosaurus was just there for a few scenes but not enough to have a proper build up to make the Giganotosaurus iconic in the way the first movie made the raptors Iconic or the third movie made the Spinosaurus iconic.

Then its not ALIEN, it would be like watching a Godzilla movie without Godzilla

Xenotaris

“The threat should be the xenomorphs, nothing else.”

You can have more than that, expand it. Star Wars can, Star Trek has different things, and so on. Star Wars fans seem OK with new things, at least many of them. Why not try new things in the alien-verse? Having the Xeno every-time makes it old.

The company was a threat because they sent them into that situation (Alien), Burke was a company guy in Aliens and you saw how much he cared (or didn't) about humans in that movie. Ripley's speech in alien 3 fits perfectly into that. My point is that the threat of the company was there from day one. The monsters just try to survive against the humans that try to use them. Alien movies seem to be more about human greed than anything, at least the first three.

I think that you can have both the company and the monsters as enemies, you just got to have good writing with human characters and the monsters. About enemies, the Engineer works in Prometheus, and that was new. They could expand on them in some way, so the Xenos don't need to be there always. We already see what happens when it gets over-used like in the AVP's and Resurrection.

Glad to know this project is keeping us update with news. It's been 5 years since last Alien movie so hope this tv show will make the Alien saga alive again. 

 Ash, Burke, and Michael Bishop worked because they were just a brief obstacle rather than the threat itself. The threat should be the xenomorphs, nothing else.

I hope they don't focus too heavily on the human side of things, I still want my xenomorphs to be an ever present threat and not side lined by a human-like villain.

I'm interested in the corporate side of it, hopefully there will be somewhere where I can watch it.

Good, I don't see any reason to have Ripley in everything connected to Alien. To me she died in Alien 3 and that's it. Expand the franchise and bring in new things, we don't need Riley in everything. Make new characters, and get a writer that knows how to do that and that understands their importance to the story. Unfortunately they didn't work in the prequels, but trying something new isn't bad in itself. Time to move on

Ripley, much thanks to impressive performances by Sigourney Weaver throughout the Alien Quadrilogy, was always the heart of the Alien films. Synonymous with the series, her character arc has gone through so many phases, from a survivor, to a warrior with mother instincts, a victim who honourably sacrifices herself to save everyone, and ultimately a resurrected being who ironically now shares a bond with the creatures she fought against.

While it’s very much possible to include Weaver’s Ripley in the franchise again (and I would love to see her again) is it necessary? Or perhaps more importantly, as which Ripley? Ripley from Aliens, which would flat out ignore the events in Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection? Or following the latter, with Ripley continuing her path as the hybrid human/xeno being? The Quadrilogy is already an incredible and extremely varied (to say the least) journey for Ripley as it is. 

I have a bad feeling about this TV series, I fear were in for another AVP 04 or Alien Resurrection