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Let us just admit it- conspiracy is just more fun!
Thank you Kethol for compiling and making sense of all the info released thus far :-) You're doing God's work!
There is a connection to Transcendence? Please don't tell me we are going to find out the aliens are created by little nanobots :(
What is Alien Prefix?
There was definitely some conspiring going on!
It would be interesting to see Cameron return to the series one day, but this time doa true horror film, not an actioner like Aliens. I think he could pull off a great horror sci-fi film if he put his mind to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ
I want to tie Ridley Scott up with chains, hold a blow torch to his man sack, and tell him to explain all of this stuff 100% clearly as I take notes, or his nuts get grilled slowly.
lol, Id pay to see that as a movie :P
However I imagine this would be his response.
Interesting thread.
I think I can help with the worm thing. In one of the DVD commentaries Scott or one of the guys who wrote Prometheus says something about the black ooz making them grow from the smaller worms into the larger hammerpede worm. We had some big arguments over on the RPF years ago about that one. There is also a scene of the small worms swimming in the goo in the movie.
I don't know if that has anything to do with the eye worm, but it is definitely said that the small worm and large hammerpede are one and the same.
I’m all for conspiracy. In AC and Alien we have Weyland-Yutani, and in Prometheus we just have Weyland. Something wee seem to have very little knowledge about is Yutani. I’m not too sure how this fits into the overall timeline, but could Yutani have knowledge of LV 426 that Weyland did’nt. Maybe by the time David gets in touch with WY, the company has gained information relating to LV426 from Yutani and unknown to David. I just think that there could be room for some back story on Yutani Whose to say Yutani did not have its own missions going on, and discovering some outpost similar to want happened in Prometheus. Eventually both companies realise that there is an Engineer threat and need to work together. The Nostromo is the means to get what they want.
Holy crap there is a lot to look at in this thread. Thanks for posting these!
The original and assembly cut of Alien 3 are my favs. Prometheus, Aliens, and Covenant all rank about the same after that.
Thanks for the post!
Awesome thread. Nice to see all this info collected in one place. Thanks!
Does any of this (below) in regards to the constellation, planet data visible, and Galactic Location mean anything to anyone?
I'm sorry if I missed someone's observation on the constellation and star maps. The images above are more clear than what I had seen before.
Excellent topic Kethol. David's drawing is fantastic.
The topic and comments are a great reference guide to the mutagen described by David 8, what he had access to, and his creations.
Great work.
You're welcome Ingeniero :-) and thank you for the compliment on my wordplay. I pride myself on speaking well.
As for my opinion on this matter, I try to take everything Fox has made official canon until the contrary. If it's available through official merchandise then it is canon imo. As to Lindeloff, I would take his view with a grain of salt since he isn't a part of Ridley's table anymore and is speculation. I would also be upset if Origae-6 turned out to be an Engineer home world because then that would be too convenient and Daniels & crew researched that planet to the moon and back and found no other life aside from fauna. As for the defenses on Planet 4, I would throw it up to the Engineers/whatever did not expect in the slightest another species finding their way there on a Juggernaut of all vessels. These are the gardeners of space and for all intents and purposes the creators of life, they have no competition.
I left out the cup going over the waterfall...the image really tied the topic together.
Thank you Lawrence of Arabia, BigDave, Ati, dk, ali81, and Space JOC for the discussion. Each of you have a rich contribution and I appreciate every word.
Cosmonaut-Copper, I believe David 8 told Dr. Shaw the Engineers were going to attack humanity to "create" something from humanity's destruction.
David 8 knew more than what he shared with the Prometheus crew regarding the Engineer's plans.
Adding little mysteries is childish and annoying, I hate it. It doesn't help the plot, the atmosphere or anything. It's just fuel for logic and canon geeks like us to fight over for years. The average viewer is just going to shrug and not understand it. The mystery in Alien worked, was well placed and had a reason. The mystery in these prequels is pointless, as they are meant to be explaining things, and they do explain things, but leave these little puzzles of maddening pointlessness. You work out a solution to a mystery and what does it give you? *Oh ...the motes are tiny insects afterall*..and..*So that's exactly how David made the Xenomorph*....and.....*So that's why Milburn stroked the hammerpede*.... WOW THAT'S CHANGED MY WORLDVIEW. Ridley Scott is finished after this. Someone put him in an old people's home please. We don't need a group hug, we are arguing because Ridley Scott is now a crap director. Sadly.
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Indeed Yog Sothoth a more Spoon Fed and Spelt out A-Z would have prevented such debates and such... but then i think the Beauty of Prometheus was its ambiguity, because if the movie was more Spoon Fed etc.. we would not be debating such things over many years on sites like this.
This is the One Come Back that Lindeloff has used in the past when defending his work on Prometheus due to its unanswered and half answered questions... he said that the ambiguity he did has led to many places debating the movie over and over and so he is proud of this.
Lindeloff also did say however that Prometheus has enough answers there, its just they are hard to find and so take investment of time looking over and over the movie to try and make such theories up.
Every new piece of concept/draft or deleted Scene for Prometheus and Alien Covenant does allow us to go back to Prometheus and then look at the clues over and over again due to the new information and clues we are given after Prometheus came out
I really hope once the Prequels are done... that in time people would got and study and watch Prometheus more and then become more interested in what it was trying to show.
This was a very beautiful video. Love the religious references and the Paradise Lost.
joylitt Which is nice foreshadowing but doesn't necessarily means he is lying. I mean, he did just save them from a Neomorph attack and brought them to safety. Even if David disturbed Walter that doesn't mean he would lie. Also he discussed this with Daniels, not Oram or anyone else.
@Yog Sothoth
I see you are leaning towards only what the Movies show as Canon, which i think is the right way but its a way that leads to confusion... the other drafts and concept works all help to try and make sense of the mess we see on screen.
FOX come up with these Files in a attempt to show us what they had now intended but to me they contradict things a bit, but this is just a personal view by me.
The movies are a bit ambiguous and so everyone will see things a bit differently and we cant really come to any 100% Bullet Proof Theory or Answer.... apart from taking the Files FOX release and David Narration at Face Value.
The Eyeworm does not look like a Hammerpede, in part it does but if you watch Prometheus it appears to have something like tentacles or something at the top, but then it could be showing more than one worm. But its so quick that its hard to make 100% out.
The ambiguity with the movie means we can speculate a lot of things, for instance if the Top of the Glass Vials contains small worm like Organisms or some other Parasite that grow into the Eye-Worms that then grown into those worms on LV-223
The only way the Eye-Worm is a Hammerpede is if the Black Goo is in effect Hammerpedes, Holloway was only exposed to the Ampoule/Glass Vial Contents of the Urns.
The Worms in Prometheus looked different, but then we get TWO different looking to a degree Worms if we consider the "our first Alien" deleted Scene.
Regarding the Urns Melting.... indeed we get the one shot of something moving on the one Urn... but in other shot we see the Top of the Urn Appears to be Melting like it was like a WAX material.
I can only assume there is a component/process inside that reacts with the outer casing under certain circumstances that causes the Tops of the Urns to Melt Away.
And in Alien Covenant something happens to the Urns during the Arming and dropping of those Urns that completely destroys the Urn outer Casing causing them to explode.
BigDave I agree. I hope Awakening will rectify this and bring back more Prometheus elements cause Prometheus opened so many doors. The Xenomorph is nice and so are the original films but c'mon man lol
Lawrence of Arabia Actually in this script Daniels discusses with Walter how crazy David is and says something like "If he can create this from his imagination, he can also lie".
hahahaha maybe once the series finished everything will go 'click' into place n wel all gather in a big open field and do one of those running slow mo running things and embrace????
but all these questions was the whole reason for RS returning in the first place. think hes gotten lost a bit
Let's crowd fund a remake of Prometheus and Covenant with a much better director, where everything is fully spelled out with on screen notes, so we can all sleep at night and never fight. Seriously though I think these little mysteries in these movies are really annoying and pointless. Why do we need little mysteries that are there for no reason at all? Why is it a mystery about how those worms are in the goo? Why does it need to be hard to work out these things? The mystery in the original Alien...was an ultimate mystery eg. The entire thing was one big mystery, where did the derelict ship come from? What was that Jockey? What was the Alien? Where was it all from? Now we know most of the big answers...but we have small pointless mysteries to fight over like "Are the motes insects or not?" WHY ISN'T IT 100% CLEAR? FOR EVERYONE GYAHH. I quit.
think the subject was on lv223 and lv426 and lindelof saying they wernt around the same planet. may be wrong though
BigDave - You're asking about that we haven't seen the homeworld yet?
He mentioned this piece of info in an interview (no source, sorry) and he added that he thought that Ridley would show the Engineer homeworld in the next movie.
That's why I think that Origae 6 will be the homeworld. And, as you know, there will be a big meeting of four participants there. The best place for a this kind of meeting is a homeworld, isn't it? :D
pmsl and write it down, put it in a movie so the rest of us can have it all make sense
I think a lot now depends on what FOX feel has gone wrong, and if they then take into account the internet response.
I dont frequent AVPGalaxy and have not for some time, but a few months ago it appears a higher % like with Youtube Videos are against the Themes of Prometheus.
It seems on here though a lot are in favor...
I just pray FOX dont force RS to bring in a Queen as in a Organism very close to the Queen from Aliens and then a Ripley connection over the next two movies.
They appeared to brush the Engineers and Dr Shaw a bit under the Carpet because they felt they needed to get back to Alien and the Eggs and Xenomorphs...
This never made for a Movie that bettered Prometheus, i just hope they now dont take out the last remaining Prometheus connection that is David, and make it about a Face Hugger + Daniels = the First Xeno Queen and then they brush David under the Carpet and bring back Ripley connections.
sorry they were in the blu ray extras, my apologies. but they r as much canon imo as davids olive branch message to the company.
I've been on a Prometheus all decader. I've been thinking about this shit constantly since 2012 lol. I want to tie Ridley Scott up with chains, hold a blow torch to his man sack, and tell him to explain all of this stuff 100% clearly as I take notes, or his nuts get grilled slowly.
the weyland files were put into the dvd boxset, if they wernt meant to be taken as fact, why they there?
what they know I believe is very limited before covenant. I doubt much was transmitted back during the Prometheus expedition as weyland was on the ship and I don't think hed have wanted others in on what he had discovered. they have the signal which is obviously from an intelligent race. is it hostile? usually goes with the territory of an advanced race. it wont have been till davids olive branch message while leaving planet 4 that they will start putting larger pieces of the puzzle together and then I believe things will get very juicy
@ATI
Did Lindeloff actually mention this and when? have you a Source? as this would be interesting, but then it depends if this is just his interpretation... maybe because the World he and RS had envisioned together is nothing like Paradise. Paradise looks a bit more like what the Source i had described.. which was not the Engineers Homeworld. As they claim Paradise it not their Homeworld.
I think it would be a bit too Shoe-horned and a coincidence if Origae-6 is actually a Engineer Home-world or a World where they seeded Life.
Unless its a world that at one time had Life, connected to the Engineers but has long since been in Ruin.
BigDave Understood. For my purposes, I live in the now pretty much and am not worried about what stuff is worth later. We should enjoy the here and now imo.
Ripley, Shaw, Bishop and Walter
LOL yeah i know... i have other Franchise stuff just not Alien lol
Actually had purchased some Figures and Toys over the years that are worth a fair $$$$ compared to price i paid.. whats worse is i treated my Brother, a Friend and Nephew to loads cool Toys and Figures over the years.
I now wish every time i did that i got the same for me too as i would have some $$$$$$$$ now ;) lot of it is like £20-35 investments/toys brought back then that are now £200-300 so a 10X Return.
this mean ur for a Prometheus all nighter? hahaha batter in yogi mate I like ur determination hahaha
I don't know if I'm late but congrats, It would be cool if he/she dresses like a Xenomorph for Halloween!
