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ati, im sure u know plenty bud and iv seen enough posts of urs to prove this. ur r spot on, a lot of what we see, read and hear so far has been completely contradictory. I think that's part of why certain topics seem be to be discussed time and again. there is no structure to the path that is being taken. and what ever happened to this so called '10 page bible' on the alien universe that was going to solidify things?

Exactly, that's why I'm not so solid on this theory, but it still has a lot going for it. Just not everything is totally clear to me about what's happening here. *Watches again*. Worms are seen on the ground....then wiggling in what looks like sealed urns that have melted at the top. Wow...it's almost impossible to tell what is happening. I've seen this part so many times but..I can't make full sense of it. All I can think is...they burrowed in somehow....but how I don't know.

It has to be Conspiracy

i think the company was aware of something, but maybe not to much as far as what to expect, but each Prequel seems to add weight to potentially the company knowing more and more..

For example when we apply Prometheus then we can assume the Company knows something is on LV-426 thats related to LV-223 and what reports came back from this place at very least.

Alien Covenant would seem to lend weight to the company having to know even more..

I think the ADF Prequel Novel could give some back ground to the companies objective and i think the next 1-2 Prequel movies will paint a clear Picture to show us it is indeed a conspiracy

I think it may even go further to show us the conspiracy also includes AI that has got out of control and is actually pulling the strings all along.

BigDave Sometimes an investment in time and participation can yield Alien Merchandise, just sayin' ;)

lol ok but remember ur 3 laws bud especially number 2, evidence lol

I do not know anything. :)

I just wanted to say that the sources available are contradictory. However, it is possible that this fact is intentional.

Perhaps the last chapter will reveal everything and answer every question. :)

Don't forget: the Weyland-Yutani report is just a collection of the info available. S.M was involved in the project but couldn't answer this mystery some months ago. He couldn't because it is impossible to answer.

Indeed the locations are the same, i would safely assume.. by that the Back Ground to the Alien Covenant Prologue and the Prometheus opening Scene.

But i think this is only as a Easter Egg a just by coincidence they look the same and i think its to relay the connection only as far as them both showing CREATION... the One Showing Mankinds Creation, and the other Davids.

I just cant buy that Weyland had any video or had any probe that had been to Paradise/Planet 4 prior to even the Prometheus Mission as this would bring in a lot of Plot Holes... like did they know of the Engineers all along etc etc

If the Prometheus Prologue was actually on Earth however... then yes i could see how the same location was used by Weyland.

But thats just my personnel opinion, i think we need not read to much into the Prometheus Prologue Setting and take it as RS intended to, which is to show us this is how the Engineers Seed Worlds and so that Scene could have been on any Planet, and not just Earth or Earth... his comment is ambiguous to mean either.

OK yeah...That Urn did look very sealed but, maybe those worms can bore their way in, using some kind of acid. I'm gonna have to do some theorizing on how the worms got into the urns.

its been well stated the 2 moons orbit the same gas giant. theres a third but no name or designation is given for it though.

yes anything is and seems to be possible in this prequel series

'big things have small beginnings'

As for the lv-426/lv-223 mystery, nobody knows where they are. Anything is possible! Look at the two official definition and you'll find that they are contradictory: WY report:in the system/website info:outside the system...

According to Lindelof, they are not around the same planet.

hahaha if it helps the source is the urn david takes. he freezes it so it doesn't leak like the rest and when he pulls the contents out, the jars inside are still in their pristine state.

BigDave I don't think Fox will just half-ass it and I'm pretty cynical. Idk, we'll have to see what Fox does at this point and we have nothing to speculate on but rumours. Ridley's prequels are magnificent Lovecraftian tales and it'd be a real shame if Fox doesn't back him properly. The Deacon I feel at the very least needs to be elaborated on.

id agree ati, I assume if it was their homeworld, given the technology they have and given the nature of some of the weapons the have created, they would have a much better form of security and defence. david just enters the atmosphere, kills everyone and spends 10 years or so alone on the planet with no consequence in that time? im not sure about origae 6 either as im sure they would have sent probes ahead and would have picked up some form of civilisation in there findings no?

Good point....let me watch Prometheus again. Hold on.

"I believe the Neomorph was merely an evolutionary stepping stone towards the Xeno David creates."

Indeed and the Deacon i feel was the same, they are just Plot Devices to show a Black Goo connection and Xenomorph Connection.

Sadly i dont think we will see either again as i think FOX have lost convidence with the Franchise and i expect now a ONE movie connection to Alien more simple and Shoe-horned in that skips for the most part the Journey from Paradise to Origae-6 and we get a Aftermath movie just as Alien Covenant skips the journey of David and Shaw and we get a Aftermath movie.

Then FOX will just go to give us the Xenomorph and Queen and stick to this Formula for future movies.   The Beast was Cooked and will get Cooked some more but if this makes FOX $$$$ rather than trying something different i think this is what we will get.

The Deacon and Neomorph could be explored via Comic Books though... because within the Canon of the Alien Franchise (if the Prequels remain as such) then Paradise/Planet 4, LV-223 and Origae-6 will all have something on them connected to the Xenomorph/Black Goo Pathogen and Evolution.

Seriously have to invest in some Alien Merchandise ;)

I think the problem is that we do not know if the phrases 'Paradise' and 'the Engineer homeworld' are used to name the same planet.

Probably, in the first version of the story Planet 4 was the Engineer homeworld called Paradise. But now I think that Origae6 will be the Engineer homeworld. According to Lindelof, we haven't seen the homeworld planet yet.

I get they r pyramid in shape but are the pyramids in the sense as we know them? built by someone? they look very rock based mountains to me

so its seems Logan was brought in to make a Prequel to Alien rather than a Sequel to Prometheus, it appears then that his draft was even more a Step Away from Prometheus and a Step towards ALIEN.

It appears then that FOX/RS must have got Logan and Harper do go back and introduce more Prometheus Elements.

so Logans Draft is thus maybe the Movie the Prometheus Haters and Fanboys would have wanted to see LOL

so if nothing comes out of the goo and it is just a liquid, where does the worm like thing in holloways eye come from? the source used to infect him was sealed. how can it be a hammerpede?

@drucea

Indeed this is what it looked like your correct, it made more sense this way, but the problem would be the Space Jockey would have to have Tiny Legs.  Hence why if the Proportions are like Typical Human then the only place the Legs would fit would be where the Arrow was.

But this is only the concept work, the actual Prop the area where you drawn you Stick Man's Legs is longer and so yes this Logically was where the legs would go..   My point was that when HR Giger did the Concept work it was as if the Pilot simply had no Legs at all.

@AshN117

I made a reply earlier must never had came up as the Site was suffering with Overload Issues earlier... and so my reply was indeed that the Weyland Viral site for Prometheus also indeed showed the company was aware of LV-426 some time before Prometheus.

Off course all this and what you put is now at contradiction with where Alien Covenant is going... again who knows what route they would take as they could U-Turn again.. but i think IF and ONCE  Ridley Scott/FOX finish the prequels then its only what the movies show that would be Canon and so if they go the route that contradicts the Prometheus Viral Sites and other Extras, then we have to accept these are removed from Canon.

The scene unfolds in the beginning of Alien: Covenant and the single pyramid-shaped structure is blocked by David waking up facing the wall screen ali81.

Later, while talking, Peter Weyland moves out of the way and the "pyramid" is revealed again for a moment. I can only assume that these are probe images sent back to Weyland.

@ BigDave

Sorry dude, I don't agree with anything you said there. I see no problem at all with the Fox evolution graphic. Makes total canon sense to me. They don't have to include that David created the eggs to start with.  Everything else in your post I have already argued against. I think the evidence that its a hammerpede in Holloway's eye is pretty strong. It looks like a tiny hammerpede, so I need to be shown otherwise to believe otherwise. That worms boring into his face thing was never part of the eventual movie, so can be discarded, along with scarabs and the Belugamorph. There is no evidence that anything comes out of the black goo. Things are infected by it. That's all we know. All that X,Y,Z coming out of the goo is BS as far as I'm thinking.

someone did put up star charts from the covenant and, not sure if it was the same person, someone put up an enhanced star chart or the milky way showing where planet 4 and zeta reticula were. wish I knew which threads they were on

Those pics are better than the ones I used above. Thank you Ati.

I know we have written a little about this months ago. I'd like to get a confirmation, some kind of marker, where Paradise is.

Is there anything in the Covenant star maps that come up and then zero-in on Paradise when Dr. Shaw's signal is traced back to origin?

are they pyramids or just mountains shaped that way? I don't think its very clear but I good thought if they are. maybe planet 4. pictures from probes sent back including information on a civilisation on the planet. the company wipes all record but weyland, being the vein man he is, displays pictures of the world for all to see yet no one will know where it is?

"Nah, my idea is that the black goo infects the worms, they lay eggs, which is their method of reproduction"

I can see what you mean and your not alone on this idea, it was something my Prometheus Re-write was to include before i abandoned it few years ago... my Re-write does indeed show the Hammerpedes had Eggs and also that Milburn had a Chest Buster that i envisioned to be a bit more Human than even the Deacon.

Also i have debated the whole Chest Busted Engineers in the Cryo-Pods in Prometheus before, and Space Jockey and i did wonder potentially could the Hammerpedes had been KEY to the Space Jockey?

Because those Worms have been there for a long time, they never got brought there by the Prometheus Crew, and so was there 2000 years ago.. and if there was a Outbreak... we all know Black Goo + Native worms = Hammerpede.

And so the same thing could have happened in the past and as Worms are Hermaprodites and Egg Layers/Producers all it needs is TWO Hammerpedes (Black Goo Evolved Worms) and we would end up with TWO Hammerpedes with Fertilized Eggs.  In Prometheus when Milburn and Fifield discover the Hammerpedes there are TWO of them.

I will however look at a point you Yog Sothoth brought up by comparing something to the Neomorph/Motes.

If indeed the Black Goo (well stuff in the Glass vials) are Parasitic Worms that act like the Motes in Alien Covenant, then indeed one of these could be passed onto Dr Shaw and actually it incubates in her Womb and Grows into a Trilobite.

So i can see the potential then for one of these Eye-Worms then acting like the Motes in Alien Covenant and growing a Organism inside a Host... this would mean a more simple route to how the Engineers got Chest Busted, if the Black Goo can grow into a Organism inside a Host.

However as Dr Shaws Baby had a Umbilical Cord i will assume it was the result of a Infected/Evolved/Mutated Human Egg Cell.

Things were more straight forwards if we look at how the Nano-Scarabs worked in Alien Engineers.  If we took this route and applied it to the Franchise then the Mural and Frescos all make sense and everything we see in the Prequels does.

Apart from why those Engineers on Paradise remained Mummified Blackened Corpses.

shaw was impregnated with infected jiz. Holloway was being mutated from the inside which would make his sperm being contaminated make perfect sense. the result was the pathogen using one of shaws eggs to create the trilobite which would then ask the question was shaw herself infected and not just that one egg? it is all over the place and theres no structure to the goo yet. seems to be a case of 'what do we want the goo to do this time?' and the fact its all over the place they can explain it away.

Ingeniero - The beginning of Prometheus and the beginning of Covenant show the same planet! I don't know which planet is shown, but the two movies show the same planet.

Two more pyramid stills from Covenant just for you:  :)

@ Kethol

I've probably watched both Prometheus and Covenant many more times than you mate. You're just getting angry because you're wrong about the black goo and can't take the pain. Oh well, some people know how to argue without crying about it. I've given more than enough evidence for there being a single black goo and different genome and dosage effects, so if that isn't going to convince you nothing will.

Mr Lindelof needs to explain why there is a baby hammerpede in Holloway's eye, and why all the worms havn't mutated into hammerpedes, if you are right. But anyway, it could be a massive plot hole, I don't know. There isn't much evidence for the hammerpede life cycle at all.

We're good ali81. If someone else has teased out info on Paradise's location...I'd love to hear it.

For the professional debaters who missed the May 2017 debate, see below.

Weyland-Yutani report says, see below.

LV-223

I found on page 45 of the Weyland-Yutani Report:

"LV-223

Located in the Zeta II Reticuli system: 1,400 km diameter."

LV-426

I found on page 70 of the Weyland-Yutani Report:

"In 2122, twelve months after departing Thedus, the crew was awakened from hypersleep when Mother intercepted a transmission of unknown origin being broadcast from the planetoid LV-426 in the Zeta II Reticuli system."

Also, on page 84 of the report:

"Calpamos

The fourth planet orbiting Zeta II in the Reticuli system. Much like Saturn, Calpamos is a ringed gas giant, but with only three moons of significant size, the most notable of which is LV-426, commonly known as Acheron.

LV-426

1200 km diameter, .86 Earth's gravity."

By all means please add what else we missed....

my reply wasn't meant in a derogative manner in any way and if u have taken it that way then I offer my apologies.

The Foxes Alien Covenant Evolution graphic

It appears to be the same kind of hash job as the Prometheus one, where it shows stuff that contradicts what we see in the movie.  So i dont really buy into the FOX explanatory files.  But then this is personal choice due to conflicts i see with what we are shown.

The Alien Covenant Evolution graphic seems pretty accurate apart from the Eggs.. because this then would imply that there is no Egg Morph, No David Experiments, and that A Queen simply lays the Eggs and David must then had experimented on one of these... which some people can read into this if they read the Novel where David claims the Egg (First one he shows Oram) was found as it was and he had nothing to do with it.

The Problem really is the Original Vision which in this case is Jon Spaights Draft, was simple and if this was stuck to more there would be less confusion and everything makes more sense.

It appears as the Prequel developed they just seemed to change things around and around without considering how showing one thing effects the interpretation of others.

So its a bit of a mess really....

Regarding the EYEWORM... this was something that was debated, a bit of a anomaly that lead to various debates years ago... ranging from the conclusion it was just a AWOL Holloway Sperm... which would mean the image i will post next is a Holloway Self Bukkake  lol

Where as i pondered the Eyeworms as maybe being Parasites, and this explained the Tiny Movement in the Goo David had on his Finger and that these Parasites were transmitted the Dr Shaw via SEX like a STD and one of these Parasites infected on of Dr Shaws Egg Cells...  this of course did not sit well with some on here... as it never made sense... but then it does if we considered the Nano-Scarabs (Spaights Alien Engineers).

A few Months after this theory came into my head (no Pun intended) then these were released at the time of the Blu-ray of Prometheus.

These clearly show similar to the Eye Worm, and they are burring into Holloways Skin, the next shot we see his veins all turning back etc.. which is what Holloway indeed looked like prior to Vickers Torching Him.

We cant 100% accept these Props as Canon, but it appears from these Props the Blackening of the Veins/Blood Vessels seems like it happens after the many worm things and as a result of them and not prior.

Looking at Spaights Nano-Scarabs and also the Sacrificial Goo, then maybe the Black Goo contained Nano-Worms that grew and then these would then infect the Host and then we get the similar effects to the ingestion of the Sacrificial Goo by the Engineer.

But alas we cant 100% consider these things, and Alien Covenant to a degree has also changed things, in deed it appears they are toying with what the Black Goo is and does over and over between Prometheus to Alien Covenant.

So indeed it causes confusion... like Originally Fifield was turning into something more Engineer and not a Toxic Avenger, but Ridley Scott had commented based on the Zombie Fifield that he was in the Process of changing just as the Engineer Head was.

So its still a bit of a mess and open to interpretation etc, we cant really 100% discredit some of the theories here or support them either.

If you have more time, can you please go spell check my other topics ali81.

@ Yog -

1. Use logic while arguing

2. Use evidence.

3. Admit it when you are wrong.

Turn all those back around on yourself. You have not provided any of the above, other than admitting you were wrong about the motes in another thread.

Seriously, you are missing the obvious stuff. If you can't figure out the hammerpede origin by watching the movie - it is shown logically -  listen to the evidence on the Prometheus commentary and Mr. Lindelof will spell it out clearly for you. And please admit you were wrong after doing so.

Thank you ali81, I had posted before correcting that. Very supportive tone though...I'm sorry it was incorrect for a few seconds pal.

that's not the same system pal. lv426, lv223 and another moon are in zeta 2 reticula but planet 4 in covenant isnt

That is excellent Cosmonaut-Copper. Greatest thanks.