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@Chli

On the hair length I think its a red herring and about discontinuity. I am sure the repair happened relatively quickly (thats the implication of her wearing the suit still) and then moving into a more relaxed vibe for cryo sleep. There is passage of time but to assume 6 months simply on hair length when other elements (clothing) is to put to much weight on the matter.

What I think this discussion indicates to me and reflects on the notion of the unreliable narrator is it was used as a plot device to move the real time film through as quickly as possible. 

The 2nd Act is where the years of delay through the Paglan/Green drafts is writ large on the screen. There are so many ways they could have explored David and Elizabeth made their journey the core of the movie arrived at a devastated planet and found out the truth of this dead civilisation as well as move David and Elizabeth through the most powerful journey. 

Act 1 - The Crossing fully developed including Elizabeth confronting David over Charlie, ratcheting up the tension between them so we and Elizabeth doubt whether Davids redemptive care for Shaw is real and always wondering if she has retained the effects of the mutagen. 

Act 11 - Arrival -The Engineer answers including the origin of the Xenomorph (ancient) and what LV 223 meant (The space jockey was the key engineer on another and more personal mission attempting to save their creations where the Eggs activate and infect it, the beacon a warning to any surviving Engineers). A perfect balance between story and horror as they uncover creature mutations and feel under threat themselves.  

Act 111 Revelation that the Gods destroyed the Engineers to protect mankind from the fallen angels (uplifting), death of Shaw where David desperately tries to save her from the mutagen and fails she pursues suicide through sacrifice and David in search of his humanity switches himself off (A dark ending).

The final page of the movie could be the return of the tear drop ship who return to their seeding planet and remove the remains of David and Shaw.    

Everything answered no more movies and the Alien Universe has some much needed overall clarity and the Alien Origin is clear a particular development of the Pathogen which the Engineers tried to remove and quarantine and hope in the future to control and failed. 

Of course the problem with all that is you do not get your troped Alien horror flick. Signal/diversion/land/it goes wrong/escape/its on board/heroine blasts it out of the airlock.   

@Lawrence of Arabia

I agree. The AI-problem (the possibility of feelings/a soul/free will etc) is more developed in Foster’s novelization of AC. David and Walter discuss this, and David claims that he loved Shaw (but did he really?). Walter says it’s impossible (He saved Daniels only because he is programmed to it - duty).

But as you point out, Lawrence of Arabia, Walter ponders over the possibility that he might actually feel something (love?) for Daniels (as he watches her sleep), and he (feels?) embarrassed when she strokes his cheek (expressing that she appreciate his kindness and loyalty).

Also, the discussion between Walter and David concerning playing the flute is more developed in the novel. Walter says he cannot create music, he isn’t free in that aspect, but David says he can. And he can . . .

TIMMY THE ULTRAMORPH - I agree with you wholeheartedly. I do not believe Ripley should appear in the next films. Her inclusion, to me, would cheapen the stories. We must look forward and create new and interesting characters! :)

I think Walter is still alive. David didn't have to kill him (If he can at all) He just had to take his place on the ship. How he knew Davids access code brings up another theory. Could David somehow program himself into Walters body? Wouldn't that be ironic in a world where he constantly tries to perfect exsistence? The flute scene I believe was never suppose to alter Walters perception, but rather confuse him and maybe even gain a little android trust just long enough to do what he need to do to give birth to an alien nation. If David didn't implant himself into the more hardy and technically advance shell of Walter, how did he have the access codes? If David did damage Walter just long enough to escape given Walter's healing power he is probably still alive. Which leads us to a other question. Did the flute scene between the too simply prove that Walter has the creative means to create a way off of the planet to save the day? I don't think that the Walter betrayal argument can hold up. It's been done with David and I doubt Ridley Scott would double tap the android Judas idea again. 

The planet in Prometheus is a possibly a gas giant with rings. It looks like it has an icy surface like Enceladus, so it may not be a gas giant. LV-223 was one of its moons. A second moon was shown orbiting it in Holloway's hologram.

This is the gas giant LV-426 orbited in Alien. It looks very different to the one in Prometheus, and at least three moons that we can see.

The system in Covenant has 5 planets. Planet 4 is an earth-like planet, not a gas giant. We don't know how many moons planet 4 has, but we see three in this shot.

The largest moon is shown in many of the other shots of Planet 4.

Ati, the Trilobite/Moebius similarity is striking. Though i doubt Cameron had The Long Tomorrow in mind when he came up with the Arcturians, but who knows. At least the Tri isn't like "Voulez vous coucher avec moi, mon cherrie?". XD

Even when I first saw Aliens, for me they talked bout Extra Terrestrials. I wonder if the Na'vi from Avatar were based on Cameron's "Arcturians".  

As for the Out of the Shadows Trilogy, what can I say, it's said to be canonical. Even on the Titan Books Homepage, if I'm not mistaken. And they went through Fox's approval including story changes demanded by them. Make of it what you will.

Messed up as the franchise is right now it doesn't matter either way. ;)

As i said in a previous topic, that a YT reviewer suggested is a movie wholly and soully covering the engineers and what went down on lv-223, without no humans in the story and maybe a glimpse of a xenomorph as something they are working on which would tie in with davids explanation of the egg to orum.

Probably won't happen, but would be super awesome, all christmases come at once type stuff.

A major theme in the Bible is that, no matter how much you perfect things [God making this perfect paradise for man], what you intended to exclude always finds a way in [Serpent, temptation, etc.]. 

Even then, if it was the "Ancient Gods" theme, then the Paradise city should've looked like this:

We had to go for a Mesopotamian feel, NOT Roman-Greco: 

To be honest, if Ridley had used his (or his designers'?) AMAZING ideas from Exodus: Gods and Kings-- though that was Egyptian-- I would've been stoked. 

I find the clash of comments on the Arcturian aliens very funny. :) Here is another ingredient of the mystery to consider:

‘The Trilobite’s short lived battle with the Engineer also references one of Ridley Scott’s comic book influences – the Dan O’Bannon scripted/Moebius penned The Long Tomorrow, which also provided a major influence on Scott’s own Blade Runner. In the strip, futuristic gumshoe Pete Club is attacked by a shape-shifting ‘Arcturian spy’ who morphs into a gelatinous, amorphous creature mid-coitus. He fights the creature off and aims his gun. “That’s it for your little Arcturian love games,” quips Club, before destroying the shape-shifter. The Engineer in Prometheus does not prove so triumphant. He is overpowered, impregnated, and births the Ultramorph Deacon creature.’

'O’Bannon/Moebius’ Pete Club, attacked by the Arcturian (perhaps the source of a later gag shared by the Colonial Marines in Aliens.)’:

‘The Engineer under attack. Corresponding panels from The Long Tomorrow can be seen pinned to drawing boards in behind the scenes footage of Prometheus.’:

'Too bad A:SoS is sold as canonical book. ;)'

Tiwaz - The most remarkable part of the comment is that it is SOLD. :)

I agree, Gavin. I merely put "1+1" together in the pic. On the display in the A:C still it says "Galactic Location". That's what i went by. Given all the inconsistencies we have already, this could just be another one.  

Steve Messing's concept art, which I believe was also used in some form in the Newt fan film is based upon the image below taken from the first movie.  In the above still, there are three moons, one of which is Acheron LV-426. While it is not stated in Prometheus that LV-223 is one of the other moons pictured it is inferred that it is (the middle one I believe). Regardless, I doubt from the basic deductions in my second post that the Covenant even got this far out, which would suggest that Paradise/Planet 4is much closer to Earth...

Which when you consider David, with his genocidal mentality towards the human race, was flying a Juggernaut with a cargo of Pathogen vases away from (presumably) the above system and closer in distance, or more aptly towards Earth could mean he intended to finish what the Engineer in Prometheus started. Good fortune then, that an outpost of Engineers attracted his attention instead.

During "The Last Supper" youtube.com video released by 20th Century Fox, Daniels says the following, "This is the first ever large scale colonization mission to go this far in our galaxy."  So, Origie-6 is definitely in the Milky Way.  I just don't think anybody actually knows where.  I wonder if the writers do?

The quote starts at 3:54 by the way.

Too bad A:SoS is sold as canonical book. ;)

@Tiwaz: random stories made up by people aren't canon. It wasn't in the movie. It didn't happen.

jdvyne - I'm glad that you find my lines informative. Once again, I would like to stress that I have not stated in any of my comments that the two stills show Planet 4, and I do not state that Weyland knew about the Sacrificial Scene and where it took place. Every word of my comments should be taken into consideration when reading, the word 'if' as well.

'Alien and Aliens are both set on Acheron LV-426, with Prometheus set on LV-223. These are two of the three moons orbiting the gas giant Calpamos in the Zeta II Reticuli system...'

The whole moon-planet-system thing is a big mystery. We do not know where Calpamos is, it is close to Z II R, but it is possible that it is out of the Zeta system. There are sources where Z II R is called a star system, other sources name it a planet system, sometimes Scott himself names it a single planet. Confusing, no doubt!

Interesting fact: in Alien: Engineers there was no LV-223, and the giant was called Epsilon.

“LV-426 is a grey moon shrouded in clouds. Behind it looms its father planet Epsilon, a lurid gas giant banded in red and gold, half-swallowed in darkness.” ~ Alien: Engineers script.

'The descriptions of the pyramids littered around LV-426’s surface are a major problem for the script – in Alien, and more pertinently, Aliens, there is no trace of these monumental structures at all. Though the derelict ship is upended and rendered silent by volcanic activity in Aliens -and therefore easy to overlook- it stretches credulity that the colonists there could have missed a plethora of pyramidal structures that the Magellan crew find within moments. This is probably one of several reasons that the movie was relocated to LV-223.'

As for the 'three moons', Steve Messing's concept art image for Prometheus shows four moons orbiting the father planet:

According to Lindelof, the two moons are not around the same gas giant (Calpamos/Epsilon). We can't state that LV-233 and LV-426 orbit the same planet. (Wiki info is not confirmed...)

Topic about the questions, more images, more info:

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/43275

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i actually made a small explanation right here of the symptoms

loss of breath. the neomorph when it's layed though the spores grows inside one of the lungs. when it gets too big to fit the lungs one of the lungs will collapse leading to the person not being able to breathe.

pale skin. in order for the neomorph to grow it most need blood cells. so in order to get the cells it absorbs the cells inside of the infected. since the neomorph is so big it takes half of the blood cells leading to pale skin.

loss of balance. since the infected dosen't have many blood cells due to the neomorph it dosen't have that many oxygen to the brain. remember how when you donated blood and you felt woozy. same goes to the victims too since they don't have alot of blood in there brain

vomiting up blood, when the neomorph gets too big in the back it crushes the kidney, resulting for the person to vomit up there own blood

Well ati very good! I dont know if it was you who has spotted this but this is very big!

I think it should be obvious that the weyland-david scene is on earth. And the background landscape looks 100% like the landscape from the prometheus oprning. So this is proof that the sacrificial scene indeed took place on earth. What ridley meant by saying "it doesn't have to be earth, it could be anywhere" was, we now know, that indeed THIS scene was on earth but it doesn't mean they did it only on earth. This scene merely stands for something the engineers did on a regular basis. But the sacrififial scene in prometheus plays on earth. The landscape is proof of this.

I havent got a decent enough copy of A:C at the minute but the pic above you have posted is what i was wanting to look at. I was wondering if it had anything in common with the system that LV223 was in. So the pic for 2. that you shot is from A:C i guess ?

Looks like it has 6 planets/moons in total.

1. Yes i thought you would say that i was going to say back: What if David and Shaw piloted separate crafts at some point. But it does sound ridiculous now. Oh yes Shaw & David BOTH crashed their SIMILAR Jugganauts. lol

As for the Gas Giant there is a very similar shot in Prometheus to that in A:C. I dont have access to A:C so i cant give you a time. But since this has fell to pieces it hardly matters ;)

1. Good point. Just because David said there were more ships does not mean they were all the same make/model, but we did see the interior in Covenant and in The Crossing. It looks identical to the one we saw in Prometheus.

2. There was no gas giant shown in Covenant. We saw Planet 4 with several moons orbiting it. The graphic of the solar system shown in the movie does have a ringed planet that is presumably a gas giant, but that is not planet 4. The operative word here is "planet". LV-426 is a "moon".

4. Your point 4 said "There are Engineer type buildings on LV426 & Planet 4". We saw no buildings whatsoever on LV-426 in Alien.

5. We know they were different simply by the fact that the resulting xenomorph was very different from the one seen in Alien. But the exterior shape and features were also very different.

6. ...and it had propulsion in Covenant. It came out of hyperspeed as it entered the atmosphere of Planet 4 and propelled itself over to the docking ship.

Unfortunately, too many things make your idea unworkable.

@Michelle

I guess you might be right about Shaw trying to escape from David in the juggernaut and crashes. David has been insane (if you can say that about a synthetic) from the beginning. Indirectly he murders Holloway by tricking pathogen into him, and he knows that Shaw is intimate with him and he doesn’t care about what can happen to her. He’s just curious but callous. He is already disappointed with both humans and engineers and the final blow might have been Shaw’s rejection of him (David think’s he loves her but has a synthetic really emotions)? Let’s create something better! So, “To create, one must first destroy”.

If David and Shaw really spent 6 months (Shaw’s hair length) or so on the juggernaut before she entered the hypersleep chamber, she would most likely have a room of her own with personal belongings (the photograph of her and Holloway etc). But why spend half a year on the ship before leaving for the engineer homeworld? Shouldn't they have found it pretty quickly on the holographic map? For a scientist, it would have been illogical to linger, spending food and water just because she’s uncertain if she can trust David? He fooled her anyway . . .

What about the stuffed neos and xenos (deacons?) that are lined up in David’s lab? How did he manage to create those if there were no hosts around, Michelle?

Furthermore, the petrified egg would probably not just be "lying around". :) Probably, the cathedral was their place of cult where they might have worshipped prominent ancestors (thus, the heads), and perhaps also where sacrifices were made? Outside the cathedral, there are buddha-like statues of offering and a landing device. Perhaps abducted humanoids (including humans) were brought here to be sacrificed (LV-223 just being where they experimented and manufactured the pathogen (and possibly also xeno-eggs)?

In Alien: Awakening we will probably get some more answers (apparently, the engineers weren't all dead)? 

"If she was to peer through the Windows at any point after, she would not be able to see what is in the passage way where the Engineer and Trilobite are, all she would be able to do is see whats in the main Room."

No one said she could see around a corner into that passageway. Below would be her field of view from the window.

"As far as the Airlock being closed after she leaves, yes its open after she jumps out, and it was open when the Lifeboat Crashed and so the other way the door works would be that the Engineer locked the door after he entered too."

He closed the outer door in the deleted scene, Just as Shaw did. Being an airlock, that would be the procedure - close the outer door before opening inner, and vise versa, unless that was over ridden.

"But my point about outside is where Dr Shaw was lying down, she would in No Way be able to see into the Main Room"

She would just stand up and walk/climb back to the inner airlock door and look through the window.

"My point was assuming the Door was closed then there is only a little Ledge BLUE Arrow that she would have to stand on and try and peer through"

Even if the outer door was closed, all she had to do was open it. It was not closing behind her though. That is very clear in the movie. The real reason the outer doors never open or close from outside is because of the way the exterior set was designed. They can't. They have nowhere to go :)

"But again the problem here is that the Door was closed when she made a run for it, which means the Door either Automatically Closed after the Engineer Entered or he had indeed Closed to the Door behind."

The Engineer closed the outer door when he came in before opening the inner door. That is the way an airlock works. In the deleted scene the inner door opens and we see the Engineer inside the airlock, just having pushed the button on the keypad. The outer door is closed behind him. The inner door closes automatically a few seconds after he walks into the main room. That inner airlock door is the only door we ever see automatically close.

"we can safely assume the Repel Gear was on the ATV"

I thought that may be the case as well, but the cargo area of the ATV looks empty. She could have also gotten it from the airlock lockers, or the RT-01 transport parked outside the pyramid.

"So she would have to take a closer look, and we can assume she does and finds them both incapacitated... she would likely not be aware of the Chest Buster Embryo... to her it would appear they are both Dead... i would assume maybe she would Prod them with the Axe or something and then find out for sure they appear Dead."

Interestingly, the birth scene at the end of Prometheus implies  the trilobite is not yet dead. It is no longer laying on top of the Engineer. It has mostly moved back through the door into the medpod room. By the time the deacon stands up, it is completely gone, so presumably it has slowly crawled away to die.

"So i think Logically it would appear Dr Shaw had left LV-223 with David in TWO Parts and then spend Months drifting in Space before she decided to repair him."

That is what I took away from it. I don't think there is any way she would have reassembled him at that point. It would have taken a very long time before she would ever trust him enough to do that.

David wouldn't mind that - silly joke

"for me full of nerves and wondering whether she can pull it off I could see her singing the song as a way of geeing herself up letting off nervous tension".

That certainly is a good explanation ;)

some very good debates here and point by all ;)

I think indeed some interesting points regarding David seeing a Engineer Chest Busted,  and David had a lot of experiments for sure, i made a Topic to discus these a while ago when we saw the Set Photos leaked, and again after the trailers.

If all the Engineers are dead, then for David to create or had seen and experimented on Xeno-Strain related Creations, which it appears those Eggs where the latest stages of his experiments, then indeed would he not need HOSTS?

I felt the Baby Humanoid Skulls were important and how could they had been?  Clones? did the Engineers Clone Humanoids, this is one thing i thought about before the Movies release,  or Dr Shaw... did David manage to Gift her Child-birth?  But how, would he not need a Male Seed? Then we ask did he obtain this from a Engineer as the Engineer Anatomy Drawings must have came from a fresher corpse as opposed to he infected ones outside.

The other option indeed is Female Engineers...  now when i saw the Movie i noticed that while the Set Photos showed a number of Females, the movie scene it looked like the Males out numbered the Females.

The Engineers Culture is very Ancient, and many Ancient Mankind ones, do have the Females having less freedom and not partaking in events as the Males would (unless the Females are of Royal or Noble Decent) and so the welcoming of the returning Engineer ship may indeed have taken place by a majority of Male Engineers, the Females maybe keeping closer to the Cathedral.

After the Bombardment we see the Engineers trying to get to the Cathedral.    I will thus SAFELY ASSUME the Cathedral offered some kind of Protection, and some Engineers had managed to get inside and this not be effected by the Bombardment.

As these beings are Humanoid, i would assume they need Food and Water, and i would assume the Cathedral may have had limited supplies and its only a matter of time that Starvation takes its Toll.... and leads to the Survivors being too weak to prevent David having his way with them.

I feel the same thing is what happened to Dr Shaw, she was infected yet her Hair Growth seems to show she survived for 6-12 Months, and i wonder if she looked weak due to Nutrition and having to Ration her Food and Drink.

I would assume as David cared for Dr Shaw, that after the Crash, he would advice Shaw she has to remain on the Juggernaught as its not safe outside, and it would take a number of months before it was safe.

This allows David to Confine her to the Juggernaught, and maybe build and take her stuff to make her a shelter... This also allows David to explore the City and do what ever he wants.

Eventually yes maybe Dr Shaw may leave the Juggernaught, we really dont know what happened its open for debate, but there are a number of things that would have happened to change their relationship.... we have to wonder how many experiments had David conducted before Shaw found out?  Was she aware of the Experiments by David or did he start these after her Death etc?

Another option for Hosts is the crashed Mother/Docking Ship, could Engineers had been on this and were they incapacitated after the crash?

As far as the Crash, Wayne Haagg i think did mention both ships had a Dust Up, and they crashed...  I am not sure about the Landing...

A interesting clue would be how does the Mother Ship Crash, yet the Juggernaught is intact?  And the Big Clue is where the Covenant crew enter.... it appears they enter the Juggernaught via the open Cargo Hold that the Bombardment had taken place, and how this Hold looked overgrown with Vegetation and Water means it mist have scraped along the Mountain.

The only way Dr Shaw would have tried to fly the ship after surviving the Bombardment, would be if the ships Cargo Hold remained open, or it had opened up again when Dr Shaw crashed the ship (IF SHE DID)

so a number of contradicting clues are about, which makes it hard to find a Answer to what happened and leaves it all the more open for debates.

DP:(

Kethol - 

I was just trying to come at this from another angle. Forgetting inconsistencies and looking at how it COULD be not how it COULDNT. I still think there is a loose argument for this if we were to ignore the finer points as the franchise may do at times.

EDIT: 1. How do you know that the craft that Shaw and David left in is different? You never seen inside it in Prometheus. The one you talking about is crashed. They dont have to be all the same

2. In Prometheus the approach shows us a large gas giant. A planet very similar is shown during A:C and Covenants approach.

4. I was talking about the entrance which is covered in sand

5. The Eggs LOOK different. Doesnt mean they are. Not forgetting there is still 1 or 2 films to go.

6. Watch "The Crossing" the craft is floating weirdly. Yes in Prometheus when they set off initially it look to have propulsion.

7. The surface could be changed by these powers i mentioned.

I said it sounded silly in the first line

Thanks for replying and the info guys,that fight was so fast and finished is a strange way still a cracking movie don't care what people/critics say about it. bring on the next one 

"Actually, she closed the outer airlock door when she entered the first time. It did not close on its own"

Agreed and i am sure i mentioned that in a earlier post.

"It was not closing. It seems they do not close automatically unless someone pushes the right button."

I can see how that looks, but back to the Top Point regarding how it did show us that Dr Shaw shuts the door by the Key-Pad that then allowed the Airlock to be sealed and Oxygen Levels to be stable.    We have to consider the Engineer entered via the same Closed Door, but when Dr Shaw left this Door was Closed, and so we cant be 100% sure they Automatically Close, as Shaw entered when it was open and she had to close it from the inside..  If this is the only way the door works then it must mean the Engineer after he entered also used the same Key-Pad to close this door behind.

I lot of my observations do come from the Theatrical Version and indeed the Extended Scenes do offer more insight, and so does the Draft.   I always like to consider all clues to make a assumption and so indeed i would think at some point Dr Shaw does manage to discover the incapacitated Engineer and Trilobite.

Thanks for the new Schematic..  i think the main point i was trying to make would be that if i use the same image, i have added a Green X for where the Engineer etc is and the Blue Arrow to the view from the Windows.

And so i dont think Dr Shaw as shown in the Movie, i will have to check the extended scenes though... but Theatrical Cut, she makes a escape and leaves the Inner Airlock door and takes a peek behind her which to her would be her seeing if anything is following her.

If she was to peer through the Windows at any point after, she would not be able to see what is in the passage way where the Engineer and Trilobite are, all she would be able to do is see whats in the main Room.

As far as the Airlock being closed after she leaves, yes its open after she jumps out, and it was open when the Lifeboat Crashed and so the other way the door works would be that the Engineer locked the door after he entered too.

But my point about outside is where Dr Shaw was lying down, she would in No Way be able to see into the Main Room never mind around the Corner from outside

Dr Shaw was lying about where the Green X is and she would not be able to see inside and get a good view from this angle and even if she stood up...   My point was assuming the Door was closed then there is only a little Ledge BLUE Arrow that she would have to stand on and try and peer through, which i dont think she would be able to get a good view.

Logically if she was to peer inside to check if its safe, then indeed she would most likely climb back up and take a look through the inner Door, which again she would only be able to spot if the Engineer or Trilobite have moved into the Main Room.

Looking at the Entrance it would be hard to climb onto the Ledge and Open the Airlock Door, and so it would be more logical if the Door Does open once the Inner Airlock Door has been past, this would allow easier access to those on the outside to enter and then seal the door from inside only as a measure to allow the Outside to be sealed off while they then move to the 2nd door.

But again the problem here is that the Door was closed when she made a run for it, which means the Door either Automatically Closed after the Engineer Entered or he had indeed Closed to the Door behind.

I totally agree with your analysis of the other clues, we can safely assume the Repel Gear was on the ATV and it would be a bit of a Coincidence that she managed to obtain all the other stuff in good condition from the Crashed Prometheus Wreckage

Which means she likely obtained it from the Life-Boat, and this is something discussed on here a few times, before and similar a number of years ago.

Which came down to what risk would she take in entering the Lifeboat again,  i guess we have to look at it at her point of view and that if she was not sure of putting David back together she would need Supplies, and also if she was to put him back together then she would need Tools to do this and if they are only in the Life Boat then she would have no choice but to return.

Which i think she would carefully do, and indeed would first peer through the 2nd Inner Door and notice nothing has got into the Main Room... if she took time to assess this, then she would conclude that either One or Both of them have left at some point after she got Davids Body, or they are both in that Passage.

So she would have to take a closer look, and we can assume she does and finds them both incapacitated... she would likely not be aware of the Chest Buster Embryo... to her it would appear they are both Dead... i would assume maybe she would Prod them with the Axe or something and then find out for sure they appear Dead.  This then allows her to make a dash to grab what she can, but she would be more at ease having discovered they are Dead.

We can then only assume the Deacon Gestation is longer and Dr Shaw had obtained all she needed and got it to the other Juggernaught before the Deacon was born.

I am kind of drawn more to Dr Shaw managed to get the Ship into Orbit while David was in TWO Parts, this would explain the ship appearing to be drifting at the start of THE CROSSING... but this is a Scene Narrated by David and so the drifting Ship could be after David had put Dr Shaw in Cryo-sleep so the scenes after the opening ship drifting could be David telling what happened prior.

I think its interesting to wonder if indeed they left with David in TWO halves, then why would she put him back together?  The Ship clearly entered some kind of Fast Acceleration as it left LV-223

The only other option would be they remained on LV-223 before David was assembled.. but then we need to consider a few things, which is the Chronological order of Prometheus, where it shows they left prior to the Deacon Birth... and then ask if they did remain on the Surface, how come the Deacon did not go after them.... i think the Place is Large and so we cant assume the Deacon could find them, but then if Dr Shaw had remained for Months (Due to Hair Growth) this raises the Potential for them eventually being located by the Deacon... however the Deacon could have wondered off to the first Temple and got lost.

So i think Logically it would appear Dr Shaw had left LV-223 with David in TWO Parts and then spend Months drifting in Space before she decided to repair him.

1. Different craft though. There are numerous design differences in the Juggernaut seen in Alien and the one David traveled in. One big difference is the hypersleep pods and the control chair in the pilot room. There are none in the pilot room of the juggernaut in Alien. Same type of ship, but different make/model.

Ridley alos confiemed there are not supposed to be the same ship - "They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years...Other than that, there’s no real link"

2. Planet 4 is a planet orbiting a star. LV-426 was a moon orbiting a gas giant, orbiting a star.

3. Correct.

4. There are were no buildings shown on LV426 in Alien.

5. Those are not the same type of eggs we see in the chamber below the juggernaut in alien. Visually they are very different. The xenomorph in Covenant looks very different to the one seen in Alien as well.

6. I don't know where you are getting 'no propulsion' from. We see David/Shaw flying the juggernaut away from LV223 in Prometheus and we see it flying to the Engineer city in the flashback in Covenant. It certainly had a propulsion system.

7. Forget about the atmosphere, the whole surface of LV-426 looked like a primordial planet, covered with what looked like lava flows. Geologically it looked nothing like planet 4, which had mountain ranges formed from tectonic plate activity.

@drucea

Agreed this is exactly the reason for these Scenes,  they have replicated the look of the Sacrificial Location because this was to show us the CREATION of Mankind...  And so the David and Weyland Scene is to show the CREATION of David

Its to show us the Creator/Creation Metaphor, and i dont think we should read into it too much as regards to this means Weyland knew about the Sacrificial Scene and where it took place.

I think as they was going for the Ancient Gods angle they had to make their culture less HR Giger... the Giger Atheistic is part of the Franchise and i think they will have to show us how this comes to play.

I do really hope they have something big in store for who is at the Top of the Food Chain/Hierarchy, and i hope they take note from HR Gigers ideas and concept works.  And so with that i mean his Mural for Alien, and when we see this and his concepts for the Face Huggers we can clearly see that he indicated Bald Humanoids who are similar to the LV-223 Engineers , being self Sacrificed to the Xenomorph and where the Ship seems to Produce the Eggs.

I think that it could be David in Walters Body as he would in essence still be David just a different body,  but we have to ask how would he had done this?

The other option would be David swapping clothes etc, and this is what i was lead to more, and RS had as Svanya mentioned... he did confirm that David had stole his clothing and cut himself and his hand off to appear like Walter.

As for the possible location, I think RS said "... far side of the galaxy...".

Given that the galactic north is up in the A:C still. This should roughly be the position of Paradise.

Arcturians are an alien race, excerpt from Alien: Sea of Sorrows:

"Chatter erupted throughout the group, and Decker felt a sudden wave of excitement that washed over him like a wave. The Arcturians had been the first alien race mankind had encountered..."

There's is also a mention of Human settlers who later renounce their allegiance to Earth as far as I'm aware. Just can't find it in the books right now.

David could have mined the surrounding systems against starships or other vessels. Like mining a harbor on Earth against submarines or ships.

These drone mines are smart and detonate(grams of anti-matter) when a large metallic object comes within a certain radius?

Could be Engineer technology. They might have a tomb full of these wonderful devices. Remnants from the wars. Keeps the riff raff and ne'er-do-wells away. Used to incapacitate, for salvage reasons, or scare away.

@Gavin, we're agreed for the reasons stated that the franchise is not in agreement with Albert Einstein.

There is no evidence that Crowe was bisexual; neither is there any implication that Arcturans are non-human. Exactly the same conversation could be had by marines on shore leave to Bangkok or any large city in Thailand. At best, the dialogue is ambiguous.

“The unreliable narrator”

What if David is lying about having killed the Engineers? It's not like the Covenant crew had time to radioisotope the age of the skeletons(or check the Juggernaut for a full supply of canisters!)....The Engineers on Planet 4 could have been dead for centuries. David just taking the credit. Shaw and David arrived to a long dead civilization. Yet another failure for the Prometheus expedition.