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Ive just watched it again, and i think if i take it in Chronological Order, then i think indeed it could be that Dr Shaw had got David to Activate the Ship in order to get it into Space as her first Request at building trust.

This would explain the ship at the start is floating aimlessly through Space, its thus likely Dr Shaw is looking through the Window viewing the System or World they are leaving behind.

where then David gains her trust so he can be put together and then they can set course to Paradise.

There are flaws with this a bit, as indeed she is wearing her White T Shirt and the engineer cloak over the top...  while she is looking at the Star Chart and through that Window.

Yet when she is putting Davids head back on, and when she is then sitting in the Control Panel Chair she has her Space Suit on.. 

Then she is put into Cryo-sleep with the cloak and white T-Shirt... now a thing to consider is in some shots we can see the White T-shirts high line around the Neck, where as the Space Suit shots we can see and more so in the control chair that the T-Shirt would be visible under the Suit as far as how far Dr Shaw has it unzipped. So she is not wearing that T-Shirt then.

I will have to watch Prometheus and work out what she was wearing at the end but i am sure it was a Vest Top.

I think this is why the Crossing is very interesting its a bit ambiguous, and it depends how we each look at it.

If we go the route that... Shaw collects David's Body zips off to the Juggernaught in another Temple Complex (she was heading off to at the end of Prometheus) then she all of a sudden thinks.... I need a Star Map, Some Food, a Bed, Tools and then she just happens to By LUCK find them all in the crash site and then off she goes to the Juggernaught and then assembles David and off they Fly as shown at the end of Prometheus.

If this all happens within 24 hour Period, then indeed i think its a bit of a coincidence and maybe treading into Plot Hole Territory... by Plot Holes again we used to run into this Problem with SM, well i used to and so i guess maybe it depends what a Plot Hole is and so thats maybe the wrong word.

But i mean it would bring about some things that dont add up without giving a good explanation that would contradict a few things. Not all such Plot Holes... well flaws are attributed to the Crossing Alone... i meant that AC leaves a large number too.

I think its nice to speculate on ways around these, and indeed going to the Life Boat is one possible way, but again we have to ask would Dr Shaw even risk doing so?

She could get the Shotgun and yes Kethol thats a nice idea, but then she witnessed the Engineer was not killed by such a Blow from it...     I think if she Assumes or David leads her to believe the Engineer would not stand any chance against the Trilobite and he would definitely be dead... we then have to ask does David know what comes next?  If he did would he tell Dr Shaw...  i would assume David would want to Protect her because if she is KILLED then David is Marooned on LV-223

A only Logical Way would be if Shaw does go back and when she does the Deacon has left, and all Shaw sees is a Dead Engineer and Trilobite and she tells David or he sees it himself and he informs Dr Shaw that the Trilobite must just have killed the Engineer and then died.  Dr Shaw would maybe not suspect the Busted open Chest as nothing more than the Trilobite causing a Wound... perhaps.

The only other options is the rest of the wreckage provided her with all the supplies and equipment she needed... and well they found Passports after 911 so who knows ;)

We really dont know how long the Deacon Gestated and where it went next.... it may seem a Plot Hole of sorts if Dr Shaw stayed on Paradise for weeks or months without not coming into contact with the Deacon.

This could raise the case that maybe she left Promptly, but then David would have to activate the Juggernaught and The Crossing seems to point to me that he was in one piece before this happened.  If he could get the ship into Space with being in TWO Parts we then need to ask why would Dr Shaw reassemble him?

Unless this was a reward for his Trust, and getting the Ship into Space?  So a lot is very open for debate.

She either remained on LV-223 for Months or they managed to get into Orbit where she remained in Space for Months before she put David back together.

The LIGHT i felt was not from Space but from outside the Ship, but then who knows because how would any Light get in while the Ship is in the docking hanger and i doubt they would open the Hanger and then just sit there for Months.

It looks like it could be some interior lighting which means it could be in the Hanger or in Space, but the way she looked out did seem to me like she was looking through some kind of Window.

Well RS has in another interview suggested they could bring Ripley back and De-Age her, so i would think this is something they was considering.

I dont think if we asked RS a few years ago that he would have gone for a set of prequels before 2122 the year Alien is set in.. i dont think back then he would have considered it.

I do think FOX would certainly be considering it, if they feel a Ripley Connection will boost the potential Sales and Box Office of the Prequels.

I would not rule them out of considering some clues to Ripley sooner rather than latter if they are concerned another Alien movie about that Mad Robot is not what is going to please fans.

I think RS however is a big fan of the David Character and how he is not Center Stage, but i can see how some fans are not so keen on this and some fans, simply are at loss to why there is not Connections to Ripley or the Queen.

I dont know how they would pull off a Ripley for the exact reasons i gave before, and this is the Time Restraints, the only way this would work is if some of the companies ships can travel to Origae-6 much faster and also have no need for Cryo-sleep.

Myself i would be pleased that Ripleys Story ended in Alien 3, but i think they could touch upon her in Novels but i was never a fan of Novels that deal with her interacting with the Xenomorph away from the Movies.. i would never consider these Canon.

But Canon can be a personal choice.

@Kethol

Thanks for the images.

This just confirmes that the beings on planet 4 have much different eyes than the sacrificial Engineer or the LV223 ones.

Maybe they have a small white area around the iris when illuminated right but they are still mostly dark compared to humans.

The short flashback scene in A:C already showed the inconsistency even without looking into it further. The eyeballs had a clear difference to the Prometheus Engineers.

Really, Prometheus set-up such a fresh and captivating premise to drive a really expansive prequel into Alien.

I liked A:C, especially the addition of the Neomorph's as a meso-predator to the ultimate Xenomorph BUT A:C did little to build on the lore and scope of Prometheus, opting to focus on an angry android and his experiments instead.

Hopefully Covenant is setting us up for something great in the next instalment, and in hindsight we will be able to applaud and appreciate it for a master-stroke. time will tell.

I did a little research about those stone faces, and according to the art book, these stone faces are Engineers' way of celebrating themselves.

I don't know why she would be looking into a light. I assume it was a window with something bright nearby, like a star or light reflecting off a planet sh was looking at.

IRaptus - Exactly! Thats the message Fox put out there 

Thankfully it wasnt a disaster and the Franchise survives to maybe go again. 

My issue is that with a few pieces of small dialogue added to explain some of the surroundings (City,Hall Heads etc..) and giving us some info on the mythos it would of been so much more and viewed in a far better light.

Most negative reviews are about the lack of reveals. Minor changes fix that. We not asking for the world. Or classic after classic. Just a continuation of the story you have began telling us. We dont expect ALL the answers just MORE than the nothing we got.

Never mind !! i will still be pausing the blue ray and looking for scraps of information to lead us into A:A the day it is released. 

Thats how we roll ;)

sherries funny, I saw a listing on Ebay selling a Prometheus Blue-ray DVD listed as "the prequel to Alien Covenant".  

I agree though, Prometheus to Alien Covenant doesn't flow well. FOX really needed to back Riddlers and let him follow his vision. All this ad hoc change along the way to appease critics, fans and the $$$ Bottom dollar is affecting the storytelling  

The Engineers in Prometheus are different than Covenant.  I do not think it was an oversight.  This is just another seeded planet.  The beginning of Prometheus is the seeding of the planet seen in Covenant.  

I really think this skeleton is meant to say something to the audience. We know RS has an eye on the placement of things. I don't think this requisite was put there just for the sake of it.

I think it could really be to tell the audience, that it's something that David cross-breeded with. On many of the paintings in Davids lab there are sea-life creatures (just like the Trilobite is something like a squid - the engineers must have added some sea-life-creature-dna to the black goo-mix, I always felt like the cylinders coming out of the Xenomorphs' back may come from some squid-dna in the Xeno-dna).

@BigDave,

Do you think it may be possible David was somehow cloning Shaw over and over again to experiment?  I really like that idea :) After the view we see of Shaw in Covenant, we clearly see her esophagus to the stomach is torn out..  I would think that the samples David has in the lab are all failed experiments?  AHH drives me crazy since so many doors were opened, and not closed.

What is Shaw looking out of in the crossing at one point?  Is that  a window or just some light in the wall?  

My thoughts after A:C were that it was a terrible prometheus sequel but it made a decent action flick which was set in a universe i love.

If they hadnt billed it as a Prometheus sequel it would of sat better for me. Initially i was gutted.

Then i watched it most days for about 2 weeks but i  havent watched it for about a month or so now. Im going wait for the BR.

My feelings about it are the same. Im still annoyed Prometheus wasnt followed properly but if i take that away then the movie which it is still remains "a decent action flick" which just happens to be set in a universe i love.

Now thats too bad actually!

I did not hear Ridley "hint" at anything. The interviewer suggested it. All I heard Rid say is that may be feasable but they were a few films away from even considering it. The other time this was brought up it was also the interviewer suggesting it. Rid replied to him "You could do that", not that they were.

Also, this interview is not new. It was done a few months ago during the press junket. Ridley and Fassbinder are each off doing their next movies now.

Hi Everyone,

I found the answer! 

Star Trek Enterprise: Carbon Creek (episode)

Thanks

Gary 

Thanks everyone for agreeing with me. The old man has lost his way with the story, and is now just trying to scrape together links to make it all connect because his prequel wasn't well received. SO now, we HAVE to have these movies have a nod to Ripley....because that's all anyone(?) cares about now.

I think Ash would have been drinking something normal in Alien, since he was supposed to be undercover.

As far as David, we don't know how long the 'regular intervals' are, or that he would not be able to function if it were not replenished. But since he was primarily Weyland's right hand man, and the Prometheus lifeboat was Weyland's and had supplies for 2 years, anything David needed would have been in the on board supplies.

I see lots of comments about the eyes being different than the ones in Prometheus, and some saying they were black. Other than the eyes of the shorter (female?) Engineer, which look like they have a brighter sclera than the others, the rest of the Engineers eyes are so dark they can barely be seen.

The scene in Covenant is in sunlight. The eyes shown in Prometheus were mostly in dim or dark lighting, but they also clearly have a brighter sclera, not all black.

The lifeboat had 2 years worth of food and supplies on board, so she definitely would have taken everything she could.

She would not have known if the Engineer or trilobite were still alive, but she knew there was a gun from Weyland's security guard that was left back on the Juggernaut that she could take with her when she went to get the supplies.

@Kethol

That makes sense. I guess the white stuff both Ash and David were drinking must have been "high-turbidity hydraulic fluid" that they needed to "replenish at regular intervals".

I bet if anyone on board the Nostromo had smelled Ash's drink they would have realized he was a robot, because it probably would have smelled like garage chemicals or something, instead of milk :-/

...Or maybe not, because then I guess androids would smell like garage-chemicals which would be pretty off-putting. But, if someone had accidentally tasted it, I'm sure it wouldn't have tasted like milk.

Also, how did David survive for ten years without replenishing it?

Great topic!!  I myself have been pondering what indeed took place, and what the hell David did to Shaw. As far as the equipment on the Juggernaut that Shaw was using goes...I assume it was all gathered from the lifeboat and maybe other items that had crash landed after the Prometheus exploded/crashed.  

Regarding the star map Shaw was looking at - It is interesting that they put this scene in there.

I don't see the Engineers needing printed 2D maps, so those would have come from the lifeboat in Prometheus.

It looks like she is scratching lines from star-to-star, and circling certain stars. Perhaps she is tracing where the Engineers have been based on what she sees in the navigation room Hologram. These could be locations of other planets they seeded or wiped out.

She is also doing this before putting David's head back on, but the scenes we see may not be chronological. She is wearing her space suit in that scene. Later scenes show her wearing the suit, her t-shirt, and the Engineers robe, so they are probably not shown chronologically.

Those last few paragraphs actually sound very similar to what Ridley Scott (or one of the writers of Prometheus) once said. About the chosen sacrifices living as kings for a year and then comitting themselves to be transformed via the accelerant/pathogen. Cool stuff I can't really disagree with any of it.

They do look a lot like plot holes, in my opinion. But they could have been intentional. We really don't know how much David said was true and what was made up, as he is clearly malfunctioning.

I don't see anything on the Weyland Industreis website about the 8 model needing to eat, but there is this - "He constantly monitors the degradation of his high-turbidity hydraulic fluid and will replenish at regular intervals (bi-monthly approximate for most mixed-use applications)."

That may be the white liquid David was drinking, his "blood". I think the eating food part may have been in his programming to fit in with humans.

Sorry, I don't agree at all. I don't see any inconsistencies or plot holes. Some simple deduction from what we see allows several logical conclusions.

As far as how long Dr Shaw was alive, i think for sure she survived the crash, i think David would have FED her a lot of LIES about the Engineers, but somewhere down the line she maybe discovers he has been hiding a lot of the Truth.  This aswell as potentially David making Advances on her would put their relationship under stress where she simply cant TRUST or even FEEL SAFE around him... i think after this it was only a matter of time before David had to get rid of her.

How long this took, we cant be sure.. we do not know how long it was before the Outside of Planet 4 was safe, do we know if Dr Shaw ever left the Juggernaught?  while she was alive? 

There is so much we dont know to be honest, which makes it all the fun to speculate.

I know Kethol this is why the Franchise is a Mess.. those who work on it and the stories really do not do any homework and allow for consistency.

Another explanation.... Ridley Scotts complete lack of detail in some areas and thus Oversight.. much like the Engineers Eyes on Planet 4, so Dr Shaws Hair growth is just down to being lazy and overlooking consistency.

They really dont give it much thought really...

But then 10 years could be a approximate date... it does not have to be 10 years exactly give or take a few days.  Alien Covenant is set just under 10 years after Prometheus.

But then if you study Prometheus and then Alien Covenant and the Crossing, we find a Mountain of Plot Holes, that we can only try and find plausible explanations for.

Which i attempted to make with the clues i found, this is not to say i am in any way correct.   It could be that Dr Shaw had managed to take David to the other Ship and then she quickly went out and gathered a few supplies... then put David back together and left LV-223 within 24-36 hours after the Trillobite attacked the Engineer.

And then the Juggernaught took just weeks to arrive at Paradise or Less... and Dr Shaws Hair is something we should have ignored.

Again if this is the case... RS should have had Noomi Rappace Cut her Hair Shorter, its not like she is against this as she has shaved her hair for Jobs before.

It all boils down to a number of being working on the project not really considering things like this, and their laziness is what we must just consider oversights.

I did think this would happen... and more so now.

Because AC was not a sucsess it did not do as well as FOX/RS had hoped,  they changed the plans for Prometheus 2 so to give us a more Alien Connected movie and by-pass what ever a direct Prometheus sequel would cover... a True Prometheus 2 would have taken place between Prometheus and Alien Covenant.  But FOX had seen reaction to Prometheus and the direction it was going and reaction to Blomkamps Alien 5

And so they thought and decided they had to bring in the Alien and make this a movie that connects more to the Xenomorph than Engineers or Dr Shaws questions.

So FOX gave Fans the Alien, with Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Busters and Big Fella.... they Market the movie Heavy on it being  a ALIEN MOVIE

But it did not do well.....

So they would be asking now, what else is missing, what made the Alien Movies what they was and the Answer is ELLEN RIPLEY

And i feel at least they have to bring her back so as to maybe see if this would Sell $$$$ for the next few installments and they may even try and bring Miss Weaver back.

Looking at the interview RS has said that eventually Ripley would be connected back... and eventually as in prior to the Alien Events.

The interview is a bit confusing because its kind of like RS is making up stuff as he goes along and contradicts previous foundations from the previous movies.

"The time constraints, of what's the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you're probably two films out from even considering her."

Its how do we take this comment?  It could imply that Origae-6 is already a Colony and the Covenant are not the first to arrive, they are just another group who are heading to set up and expand upon the Colony.  But so much of the back story to AC seems to go against this. From the 10 years of planning, to the Covenant being the FIRST Large Scale Colonization attempt to have gone THIS FAR out.

Also how they seemed to think Planet 4 was more suitable than their destination... surely if a Colony had already been set up on Origae-6 then they would know what this world is like, But then Daniels and Jacob had planned to build a Cabin on a Lake and so we have to ask are they hoping this World has Lakes or do they know it has?

It could mean that David is heading to the Colony as far as the intended Colony however.

We have to consider Origae-6 is still 7 years away, and so a mission via the Covenant to Origae-6 and back to LV-223/426 would be like a 15 + year trip.  Maybe more when we consider the Covenant had to Stop to Re-charge and so it has to do so every few years.

Alien takes place 17 years after the events of Covenant yes its 18 but we have to consider it would only be 18 if the events of Alien are December 2122 which it is not.

Also the Derelict would have to be there for more than a few Months or Weeks surely?

So i think and looking how RS seems to think we will not discover Ripleys Origins until the movie after Alien Awakening and how it seems she will be revealed as someones daughter and how he said within Time Constraints he is not meaning to imply a Flash Back...    This means that Ellen Ripley would be nearly 13 years old as of the time of the end of Alien: Covenant.

So she would be 20 years old by the time David and the Covenant Ship arrive at Origae-6 and so if Ripley is part of a all ready established Colony on Origae-6 they would need to show us a 20 year old Ripley by the time they arrive at Origae-6

But we will not see Ripley or a connection in the next movie, maybe its the one after, and so we then have to wonder WHY is Ripley not revealed in the next movie.. if she is part of a Colony on Origae-6

Unless the next movie is set prior to arriving on Origae-6 as any movie that is set on Origae-6 with the Covenant would be 7 years down the line.

Ripley could be on the Covenant, but then if she is in Cryo-sleep and we wont see Ripley Connections in the next movie, this means surely she is not awoken in the next movie, and so it would be 7 years latter and we have to then ask what does Cryo-sleep do a Person?

Ripley would be what 10-11 years old by the time the Covenant had set off, does 8-9 years in Cryo-sleep have any affect on Aging? 

Would a 11 year old in Cryo-sleep for 9 years then awake as a 20 year Woman?

So again Ripley being on the Covenant would seem unlikely.

So Ripley would have to be part of a already set up colony on Origae-6 but the Alien Cannon has her born on the Olympia Colony on Luna in the year 2092

Maybe after her Birth she moved with her Parents to Origae-6 but this would be surely a 7 year + journey unless other earlier missions could travel faster than the Covenant?

If they are the same kind of speeds, then Ripley would have to be at least 7-9 years old by the time she arrives on Origae-6 and then we come to the how much does someone AGE in Cryo-sleep Question, or does the ship she is on not use Cryo-sleep?

So for me again, a lot of Problems arrive with Ripley being shown to us as being on Origae-6

so maybe she is part of a latter Mission thats incoming?

Again we have to look at the Time Frame... Ripley has to go from being Born and Growing up which she would be about 12 at the time of Alien Covenant.. to then within the next 17-18 years be introduced in the Prequels... and go through what ever Training/School and Employment to become Warrant Officer on the Nostromo all within say 16 years (take into account the Nostromo Mission time).

So which ever way we look at it, bringing Ripley back has problems... especially younger one, and so any young Ripley would have to be as a Young Woman and not Girl and so they would have to get a very good Look-a-like.... or use CGI overlay which can be flawed and expensive.

Considering the lack of faith FOX have in the Franchise ($97M AC Budget)  i cant see them doing a Solid CGI Ripley without it having a massive impact on the rest of any budget.

The only Logical Answer to how she comes back is thus if they show us the Nostromo Mission or just prior, but this would not be connected to the events of the Alien movie. Not as far as the Organism etc.  Unless its to show case the event when ASH comes aboard the Nostromo..

But then they have to De-Age or CGI the rest of the crew.

SO I FAIL TO SEE HOW... they can bring Ripley back into it prior to Alien.

Don't like it. BUT tbh, I assume that if it does happen eventually, it won't ruin a movie or the franchise for me. No matter what though, it will make the world of Alien feel much smaller. 

Ridley said The Crossing "takes place in a time after Prometheus and the beginning of Alien: Covenant", so Shaw would have been put to sleep after they left LV-223.

In Covenant David said he had been there 10 years and in the book he says "Ten years ago Dr. Elizabeth Shaw and I arrived here". Since Covenant also takes place 10 years after Prometheus the travel time must have been far less than a year. Probably just a few weeks or months to get to the Homeworld. Shaw's hair length in the map scene of The Crossing implies she was on the ship for several months before going into hypersleep. David may have also simply been lying to the Covenant crew about the '10 years' part.

I think David knew exactly how long it would take, but he obviously would not want Shaw awake when he got there. Putting her to sleep, then waking her afterwards allowed him to make up the "accident" story to cover the bombing.

Nothing in the book or movie gives a clear idea on how long Shaw was alive on the Homeworld. It could have been months or years. I imagine David was experimenting secretly at first, then when Shaw discovered what he had been doing, her reaction to it would have turned her against David. At that point David would have made the decision to experiment on her as well.

I wish we had gotten to see that movie!

Firstly planet 4 is NOT their homeworld!

It should be obvious when you look at the planet which has only one city and no orbital structures.

The other part: Dr.Shaw was probably put out of the hypersleep chamber after the black goo bombing, when the air was less contaminated.

Not sure how long this process took, but i expect Shaw was at least years alone with him in limited living space and was alive when the Covenant crew got the emergency signal.

What she could had learned in the short time she was alive:

-Local beings lived a traditional way with less high tech

-They grew crops and breeded animals for food supply

-A non military society with focus on art,music,worshipping

-They had hightech but used it more subtle

-Learned maybe something about their anatomy compared to humans and how long they can live (1.000+ years?)

-They where NOT hostile to other aliens humanoid species but curious (but David had other ideas in his mind, obviously)

@Leeta - Humans and Engineers have the same DNA, so they would not have to "mix" anything. The chromosomes in DNA can have slightly different instructions, which is why the Engineers clearly have biological differences from us even though they have the same DNA.

Since they are biological "engineers", I assumed the ones we see on LV-223 had been engineered for the specifics of their job -  such as the "bio mechanical suits" they wear and different eyes. The suits appear to be a part of their bodies - they blend into the flesh and the neck and wrists. The eyes may have been changed to see different wavelengths of light. We know from the scripts that they saw in different wavelengths.

The Engineers on the home world in Covenant are probably just the original, pure race.

 These beings need to visit baron wastelands prior to seeding or clean up after a re-start is commanded. It makes sense they can breath anywhere and see EVERYTHING without the limits of a typical human / humanoid eye. Another dimension

I like this idea. It also made me remember of some photos during Prometheus of the Engineer walking outside among the wreckage after the crash without a helmet of any kind. 

Some interesting info regarding stone faces.

I have to believe that in the Alien Franchise with all the millions that goes into making film in 2017 that the beings on Planet 4 look the way that they should.

So having more human eyes instead of the black eyes the Engineers from Prometheus had is something that was purposely done. Please no over sight.

If this is the case then there is a reason for this and that is one of my possible theories - the Enhancements were made which allow them to see more. Possibly things humans can not see - like in Prometheus the walls looked plain but with further investigation there was detail.

Maybe these enhanced eyes allow to see in the dark too. The Engineers 223 maybe  have the ability to breath on any atmosphere due to the changes. The neck part of the bio-suit look like gills - maybe for underwater too ? 

These beings need to visit baron wastelands prior to seeding or clean up after a re-start is commanded. It makes sense they can breath anywhere and see EVERYTHING without the limits of a typical human / humanoid eye. Another dimension

This is a interesting Topic, we have covered it a few times before and i made a Topic on it too after the Feature.  It certainly was something many had hoped for answers with, when the ADF Prequel book comes out.... But this Book is not far away from release and sadly it will not cover David and Shaw.

What can we deduct?  Well the Clues are there to be seen.

Prometheus left us assuming David and Shaw had left prior to the Deacon Birth, we do not know how long the Deacon Gestation is, does it take longer in a Engineer?  We really dont know.  The Alien Franchise seemed to indicate about 24 hours but this changed slightly with different movies and so it was established the Gestation could vary from 12-36 hours.

This was however not a Trillobite Born Deacon or a Engineer, and Alien Covenant had given us a even more faster Gestation Rate.

I will assume and i think its safe to assume the Deacon was born some 24 hours after Dr Shaw had gone off to get David's head and body.

Dr Shaws SOS is another interesting thing, as we have to ask how did she record this?  Logic would sugest the Lifeboat would have this ability but when we hear her SOS Warning she is heading with the ATV Buggy towards another Engineer Temple Mound, so we cant say if she recorded this during that journey or prior or if she had done so with the ATV and if it had the equipment to do so.

THE CROSSING....

However gives us a lot of Clues.

1) Dr Shaw's Hair has grown a good 6-8" which would take a Human Female of her Age about 6-12 Months.. is this a Ridley Scott Oversight?   If not then it means she had not decided to put David together again, not right away.  She has a right to be cautious as once he is back together she is basically at what ever whim he has.. so its LIKELY she had to give this a lot of thought while she ponders do i put him back together.

2) David will likely mislead Shaw in that he wants to leave this place and at very least he wants to be back in ONE PIECE the Trump Card he will play would have to be that unless he is back in One Piece then he can not help Dr Shaw operate the Ship as if Shaw realizes she does not need David in one price to do so, she would be better off keeping him in TWO PIECES.

3) We have to ask where does Dr Shaw get the EQUIPMENT/TOOLS to put David back together, they do not look like Engineer Technology and the Bed David was on, is clearly very Human Technology.   And then we have the Cup she was drinking from, we see these in Prometheus on the ship and we have to wonder what was she drinking.

So its likely she had salvaged the Prometheus Wreckage for Equipment and other things she would need to hold out for a while...  She could have gone to the Lifeboat but i am not sure she would risk that due to the Trilobite.

4) Dr Shaw would not know what becomes of the Trilobite, she would know it was held up in the Med-Pod Room and was unlikely to have been able to escape on its own.  But she does not 100% know if the Trilobite has killed the Engineer or what comes next as far as the Life-Cycle.  Maybe David knows? but who knows...   We then have to wonder how long between the time of Dr Shaw escaping until the Deacon Birth, and can the Deacon escape the Lifeboat?

So a big Question is how does the Deacon and Dr Shaw not interact if they are on the surface of LV-223 for a certain period of time... this i cant really answer.. i will just assume the Deacon went to another place and got trapped some place.

5) Dr Shaw is shown plotting a course for where abouts Paradise is... The equipment she uses does not look Engineer, why would she need to do this when the Engineers have that Navigation System.   David must have alluded to Dr Shaw that he can only activate the Systems if he is put back together.  And so i would assume he roughly told Dr Shaw where about it is and so she found a Star Chart in the Prometheus Wreckage or on the Lifeboat and used that to Plot roughly where it is.

6) Once Dr Shaw has put David back together, they spend a bit more time together while they prepare the Ship and David modifies the Cryo-Tube so Dr Shaw can go inside.  He tells her that he can not be 100% sure how long it would take.. I think he knows how long it would roughly take, and David has said this so that he has convinced Dr Shaw to have to get into Cryo-sleep.

Paradise was discovered by the Covenant Ship while it was 7 years from Origae-6 and it took 7 weeks from this point to arrive at Paradise/Planet 4. We do not know how long the Covenant ship had been traveling or what Speed it can travel but as they had to re-charge the Sails, i would assume they had been traveling for 1.5-2 years prior to this as i am certain this is how long they said it is between Re-charges.  And the Weyland-Yutani Merger had taken place 5 years prior and so the Covenant had traveled from its departure system... some 1.5 to 4 years plus the 7 weeks.

And i would safely assume a Engineer Juggernaught can travel vastly quicker than a Human Ship, their Navigation systems have other Galaxies and when we consider the nearest Galaxy is like 2.5 Million LY away  which is much much further than LV-223 was from Earth at 39.7LY

So i would assume the Juggernaught could travel to Paradise within a very short space of time, maybe even Weeks. If not Days.. its unknown...  but i would say Earth to Paradise would have to be within 500 LY from Earth with ease... but i would assume it is at least 100 LY 

But again we cant be sure... but i would bet the Juggernaught can get there pretty quick, but David tells Shaw he is unsure because it it would be days or weeks, maybe She would want to stay out of Cryo-sleep which then would be a Thorn in the Sides of any Plan/Agenda David has.

7)David learns the ways of the Engineers while Dr Shaw is in Cryo-sleep, he must already have some information on the Engineers, and maybe he can find more from the Juggernaught.  But if you was DAVID with a AGENDA would you not be tempted to go and look around LV-223 once you had secured Dr Shaw in Cryo-sleep? I think there is more chance David could find more about the Engineers on LV-223 than on that Juggernaught and so we cant rule out David going someplace else and not simply setting directly off to Paradise/Planet 4

@Chli - Great topic!  I was hoping to get some of this covered in AC, so I will now hold onto hope that Awakening will deal with some of this?  I think the biggest problem with The Crossing is that it is told from David's perspective, or better yet, an insane synthetic!

Good topic! What can be deduced? I think we can't deduce anything. :) Shaw's point of view and her version is not revealed in it, I mean she doesn't speak in 'The Crossing' at all, so the short does not serve as a reliable source of info in my opinion - you mentioned this possibility as well.

'We also know from Prometheus that they left LV-223 before the Deacon was born. We know from Alien (Kane) and from Alien: Covenant, that the growth rate is very rapid (within 24 hours). So, David and Shaw must have left the planet within 24 hours.'

No! 24 hours? That seems impossible: they arrive on Christmas Day in 2093, and they leave on the 1st of January, 2094 - Shaw says that at the end of the movie.

Plus we don't know anything about the Deacon's growth rate if I know correctly. (It's the only pregnant Engineer case shown in all of the movies.)