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"Right? I was hoping we would've seen a "spawn of Shaw" with that kind of humanoid / alien aesthetic. Would've been crazy!"

Certainly ;)

I think they could have dealt with Shaw better, and gave more hints that after some event, that lead to Shaw being experimented upon.. he infected her to Give Birth to a Trillobite Type Organism and then in turn removed this and then infected her with this Trillobite...   which lead to a Deacon like the 3rd/4th images.... or even the first TWO but then have it the rest of the Black Goo David had infected Shaw with Evolve her into the 3rd/4th images.

The First TWO are indeed something very much like some of the alternative Deacon Concepts from Prometheus.

These are interesting, the renders do clearly show the hands match the Leaked (Officially) Prop Hand where it was Tagged "where it all begins"...

And so indeed as we find out in the Movie this XENOMORPH (it is referred to as) is in effect the Proto-Morph i know some sites dont like the use of this Word along with the Walter-morph ;)

But we have been shown the Xenomorphs in AC are the direct predecessors to those in ALIEN and so rightfully it is a Proto-Morph of sorts...   but then it depends how you would use the Term Proto  it seems they are distancing themselves from the Term and that Xenomorph is what we are calling this.. yet they (FOX) and Lindeloff referred to the Deacon as a Proto-Xenomorph 

Obviously all of those Creatures Originated from the Black Goo on LV-223 or at least are connected (Mural Deacon).  And so it would be like what in REAL LIFE would be a Proto-Human is Homo-Erectus? surely... but so too is Homo-Habilis  but then while these could be considered more directly Proto-Humans just as the Xenomorph in AC is to the one in ALIEN,  the Term Proto could apply all the way back to earlier Hominins or even Apes.

So Ultimately the AC Xenomorph is a Proto-Xenomorph but then i guess any direct Experiment related to the Black Goo could also fit.

The Xenomorph in AC is also a type of Xenomorph that indeed, has a number of differences from its Egg Stage, Chest Buster and Adult Stage.... the KEY missing Aesthetics to the ALIEN Franchise Xenomorphs are the Chest Buster Stage (Human Based) and the lack of more Mechanical Atheistic

Before those Experiments/Creations of David's become the 1979 Xenomorph they must go through some more experiments/evolution where the Bio-Mechanical Nature has to become part of its Genetic Structure.   It has to obtain a Mechanical Component from somewhere.

Indeed the Xenomorph looks different when Chest Busting from a Non-Human Host, but we really dont have a 100% explanation to why the Bambi Buster in Alien 3 was Quadruped just like its Host, yet Human based Chest Busters where not Bipedal  like there Human Hosts.

As far as Each Organism becoming Less Bio-Mechanical... maybe something has to do with the Environment on LV-426 or the Juggernaught as to why Xenomorphs Birthed on LV-426 are Bio-Mechanical... but then Kanes was Birthed from when the Nostromo was in Space... and the Hadleys Hope ones had slightly less Bio-Mechanical look even though they was birthed on LV-426.

Ultimately is just a Atheistic in-continuity we are meant to overlook. But surely the ALIEN: COVENANT Xenomorphs Differences are not just a Atheistic in-continuity but a direct clue to show us that there is a missing Element to how these eventually Evolve into the 1979 Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

joylitt

There may be one or two things about this that teetered on feeling out of place but over all, these are some great ideas. Got chills reading it. Keep it coming.

How about an animated one? That would make certain things easier. Something like Akira, i know it's an Anime but some are better than live action movies.

@Nathan Adler - Maybe it was an Earth, or Planet 4 life form they brought there & experimented on in another temple?  The mutated being/Fifield mutant, then escaped & wiped out everyone except 'Bob', or the last Engineer?

Thanks again for your fantastic attention to detail!!

IRaptus

I know Machiko but I think Ivar will be different less bound to traditions because the two Yautja (Kl'raka and Gaulteth) who take him in are very old and "scientists", inspired by Yaquita and Elder Kalakta from "The Rage War". "Hunting" knowledge rather than living prey.

Fried SPAMwiches are God's Manna.

Awesome of them to share their immense talent with us here. That baby neomorrph puppet looks a tall order but I'd still be freaked seeing that with the cords sticking out. Maybe we have better luck on the next one with whoever is directing.

Iraptus you're spot on with those novelty inventions! I have an idea for a toy thought I might post to some toy maker forum. If you could the urn shape like semi frosted but still clear/textured somehow but then have those hieroglyphs sparingly on there with black goo lava, omg. Maybe have one of those programmable/RC led color change/flash bulbs=wow#superpimp. My idea is a mini toy dumpster with a fake flame w dry erase marker board where one can write their "disappointment/judgement on its side. Then have some space inside the dumpster to fit an action figure or representative of your disappointment. Would go awesome on a desk but better would be your hugger/burster/chap in a snow globe= that would sell so good.

Dammit, DK..

I love chowing down on some SPAM...It smells like crap but it tastes sooooo good...

Cool!

Oh and speaking of fan films:         What ever happened to that Newt Alien adventure? The one where Fox asked them not to make it, because it was similar to Alien 5?

rob clayton Thank you so much! There is s second part already, the link is at the bottom. But be warned part II is heavier on the horror :-) http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45770

what a great read, well done, hope there is more to come! if only this is how the film had actually played out!

DK - Lovely thought !!

We would probably need to expand our search for the contributors. 10K is a lot. We only average about 127 (rough) online at a time and seem to be familiar users.

However if we accompany it with a Patreon or GoFundMe account and maybe ask the YT audience (sorry if that hurts)

Getting the YT bloggers and any other Film related guys to promote. I would gladly spend a piece of my day in the comments trying to plug it on various sites if it is something we believe is achievable.

Would need to be an intricate long term vision and perhaps voted decisions from members on here?

Could aim to have it done just B4 Awakening drops (If it does but i think it will)

Im willing to help anyways is what im saying

@RZA: Currently listening to the AC soundtrack - great. I agree with the points you make. Alien and all subsequent reinventions divide more than generate consensus. But I guess this is the fun of debate, i.e. no two arguments are the same. Having circulated the odd thought here and there on this forum, my general feeling is that a majority here, no doubt myself included, tend to talk in absolutes, whereby discussions become never ending, as one absolute opinion fires-up another. My absolute opinion and understanding of Scott's vision for Alien subsidiaries is one centred time and time again on a Lovecraftian cosmicism: i.e., the unfathomable and threatening dangers that lie 'beyond' each species' inner and exterior selves. My 'absolute' interpretation, then, and consumption of all things Alien is from this standpoint. As my background and training is an academic one, rather than your typical 'Aliens' fanboy centric viewpoint, I guess I am with the niche few who have unpacked where Scott is truly going with his continuation of the Alien saga. I know this all probably sounds rather pretentious and slightly arrogant, on my behalf, and will alienate many here; but isn't that how this forum functions: one absolute opinion antagonises another. 

On another note, Carpenter's The Thing was released the same year as ET. The former was big budget at the time, with mixed reviews and a modest box office take-home, the latter a big budget success. The Thing is, in academic film circles, considered a masterpiece and has transcended the 1982 death knell proffered by critics and audiences alike from its shaky original year of release. Alien, Prometheus and AC are dark, intellectual and visually dynamic creations. Like The Thing - post Alien - and inspired by Lovecraft, your mass popcorn audience are not going to stomach it - they want an Aliens type experience, not necessarily a David and Walter MACHINATION. 

Great news! They are Bastards....

Another possibility I came up with from what is here is the way the organisms David observes all fit together like puzzle-pieces to form his 'creation'. What if David was merely putting the pieces back together, to form the progenitor of the organisms on Planet 4 (and other Engineer creations)?

DK - Hmm...I believe we, each of us, could provide something valuable to this process if we are organized properly. :)

We could totally do a feature-length 'non-canon independent' Alien film for what you are proposing ($100K). A short (I am assuming 21 min) would cost about an eigth of that (around $20k)...

Maybe someone else should take the lead?

DK - How would we decide these facets of pre-production? :)

We need to decide a story within a time constraint, who can do it and what it would cost. Then we should have a time frame with some oversight. Otherwise we should let the people alone and enjoy what happens imo.

DK - I am always interested in aiding in the ongoing fight against the Nothing! :)

We need to find out who could do it. then we need to find out how much it would cost and somehow decide. Then we need to decide which story makes the cut. Again, for this, I only have the idea. Members should put feelers out.

Here's the link to the Animated Series
Introducing Alien: Covenant The Unofficial Animated Series!

10,000 members contributing $10 would total up to $100K, or roughly the budget of independent horror film The Void (look it up). I have an idea similar to this, only it involves 300K and a storyboard/screenplay (I should be fully done with it in about a month). I already have the material I need to make the opening credits for a kickstarter. 

This one is extremely skinny. 

I'm just wondering whether Ridley really considers this as a Protomorph or just redesigned it as the new look of the classic Xenomorph. 

As we remember from Alien 1 to 4, the design got less biomechanical film by film. Though in Alien Resurrection it can be explained that those were not pure Xenomorphs anymore as they inherited human DNA more through Ripley.

That would be a face smack though.

We could get involved in a big old brain-storming session to see what collectively we can come up with!

Hell yeah!! That's a great idea.

Have you seen the fan-funded fan-fiction, community made Predator short??? It is superbly done, and shows what dedicated fans can do!!

Predator: Dark Ages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD8jAk274I

I missed that. Link?

The fanbase is Unhappy with the studio, so we fight back with writing and creativity :)

It's a good idea, I agree, and the trail has been blazed by The Animated Story found here in this forum I have to mention in addition. :)

Pietro Scalia the editor of both Prometheus and Covenant has this to say when asked about the benefits of his familiarity with Promethues. its quite a long answer but the key element as regards the speculative drawings of "what happened to Shaw" are.

Ridley and the writers wanted to incorporate the destruction of the Engineers’ world as a prologue to bridge the two films and to show what happened to Shaw after she and David went traveling to the Creators/Engineers’ world. There were a lot more scenes that connect directly to Prometheus but structurally it didn’t work to have two or three scenes or about 12 mins. of film that connect one film to the next. And then start the actual story of AC. I think that the prologue scene with Weyland and David sets up the thematic of creation in a more cinematically elegant and concise way.  In the overall context of the film, Prometheus, connects halfway through Alien Covenant as a flashback. At a point when it was important to tell what happened to the Engineers planet, the destruction, and the truth yet a hidden lie on David’s part. It could possibly help answer some questions for people who had seen Prometheus, but I don’t think it takes away from people who hadn’t. We also tried to have two flashbacks, when David touches Shaw’s grave and explains to Walter what happened and how she died, again another misdirection from David. 

For me this is a straight forward betrayal of the Prometheus audience. Covenant was a sequel to Prometheus and to talk as if there is a random audience who might or might not have seen Prometheus is frankly a failure to understand your audience.

Its clear from everything that he says and elsewhere that the emphasis was rebooting the series as a monster movie with the connections with Prometheus being a necessarily evil and of course what is ironic is that many of the audience think the films  momentum is killed from the point that David appears and others find the second act deeply frustrating and the third act dull and predictable. "A camel is indeed a horse designed by a committee". What is good about all of this is we can now see very clearly what was in the teams mind and why we ended up with what we did. 

Maybe just maybe a directors cut will emerge, which like so many directors cuts are much longer and much more fulfilling. It is a mystery to me why we have never had one for Prometheus.  

There has to be an incentive. A budget and good story is a good way to start.

There are tons of shrt movies out there and well made too. My example didn't even have dialogue and didn't need it. Figure if 10,000 members could cough up $10 for a 10 minute short. Not a bad budget for someone who knows how to do it. There might be enough for a profit instead of people doing it "for the sake of the art".

For this, I am just an idea guy. There has to be someone out there who could make it happen.

I'd be up for that, I've been experimenting with teaching myself to write in Script format...hardest part is REMEMBERING to do so :D

Another fantastic stuff! Thank you! Obviously A:C can be lot of fun if treated wisely. ;-) Upvoted! 

I have read more engaging Alien material on this forum from members since Alien 3.