BigDave
MemberDeaconNov-29-2015 4:09 PMWell if we add up the clues we can paint a pretty Picture.... Big Read but bare with me and you will there are enough Clues to point us to what could be going on.
1) David and Shaw left LV-223 in a Juggernaught 1 Jan 2094.... or did they? We have to look at that Scene as it was when they was traveling in the Buggy off to where every these other Jugernaughts or Jugernaught could be from the crash site, i am pretty sure they was heading towards the Temple Complex again or another Temple Complex.
* We can not Guarantee that the SOS was made either on that Buggy, (if so we have to assume it has some Beacon that can send out a message, as its a warning message to keep away, defeat the purpose if it is on a recorded device that can not transmit a message into Space) or during the time they was on the Bugger... but look at the other options.
* They go back to the Crashed Life Boat, but would Shaw risk that and would she know if the Engineer is dead, or indeed the Trillobite, she would not know nothing about its life Cycle..... maybe David does from study of Engineer hieroglyphics etc? But even if he told her some of it and by that i mean the Engineer would be dead and Trillobite too would she take his word for it and risk it? so we can rule out a Transmission from the LIFEBOAT!
* Do they discover a wreckage of the Prometheus and Salvage something they can make a transmision from there? We cant rule this out!
* Do they make the SOS while onboard the Juggernaught, but can Engineer Comunications Equipment produce a Signal that would be of any use... i suppose if David can Activate a recording that then records Shaws SOS this also is possible.
* THUS..... Can we say for 100% that as soon as she gets Davids Head Bagged up and jumps on that Buggy they head directly to and onboard a Juggernaught? If we assume they did, again the shot of the Juggernaught flying into Space could have been the same day... or it could have been any number of days or weeks latter... But we have to assume it was right away near enough....
SO WE CAN ASSUME SHAW AND DAVID LEFT LV-223 JAN 1ST 2094 Give or take.
2) Alien is set in the year 2122 and so is set 28 years after the events of Prometheus, thats not a massive timeframe of events to connect back to Alien but i suppose it could be done.. but then we face the problem of the Derelict had seemed to have been on LV-426 for a long time... thousands of years prehapse.....
*If we take the Weyland Viral Website as CANNON then the company discovered LV-426 on May 14th 2039 some 50 years before Shaw and Holloway discovered that Cave Painting and decided to contact Weyland regarding a mission to the system of Zeta 2. The company had been aware of the Planet LV-426 Acheron in which the company claims it has discovered a Ringed Planet surrounded by Multiple Moons that are prehapse able to support life and the company hopes to send a mission to explore it within the century. Now within a century could mean by the end of 2099 i.e which fits in with Prometheus, but we cant rule out a planned other mission too... But it could mean but i doubt it that within a century as in the next 100 years so for example by 2139 which would fit in with the Nostramo's mission in 2122
But why wait 28 years after Prometheus to send in the Nostramo? we have to ask how long before they decide to explore what happened to Prometheus if they hear nothing back after 2094 this assumes what if Shaws SOS is not able to be picked up on Earth or our System.
These points show that the company was aware of worlds in the same system that Shaws Star Maps pointed to some 51 years before Prometheus set off on its Voyage. And they knew they had the potential to support life in 2039 but his could mean just ONE MOON (LV-223) and not the others i.e inc LV-426 but we cant 100% rule out that LV-426 could to some degree support some kinds of life back then?
*If we take Ridleys comments as CANNON then he sugested that Once Davids head goes back on, which he said it would because Shaw has no Choice and David is very convincing. Shaw is basically then at the Whim of David, she has to have complete trust in him and basically he could then do anything or go any place he wishes!
*If we take If we take Ridleys comments as CANNON however this comment is regarding ideas they had for Paradise when they was working on Prometheus... then back then they had the idea that PARADISE was Dark place, and that Paradise was the otherside of that Moon.. that Moon being LV-426 shows us that they had planned at one point both during work on Prometheus and indeed in Ridleys ideas at the time of when they made Alien.. because this comment was connected to when they worked on that movie that the Derelict could been crashed on what is or WAS Paradise.
*These above leave a possibility that who is to say David and Shaw do not go to Paradise right away, or maybe Paradise would be next door i.e LV-426 but then we have to assume its not because Shaw said she wants to go where they came from (Engineers) do you think you could do that David? Which he replies to say yes he thinks so, once they get to another ship plotting the course should be relatively easy.. This however does not mean easy as in its close... as we have to assume David would have said, yes Paradise is not far to get to and should be relatively easy. But we cant rule that out!
So there is the potential that David goes to some place else first? or maybe even Paradise is LV-426 but in context of the Plot for Prometheus about Galactic Engineers who may not be God (there is someone above then) and who have built this outpost on LV-223 to produce something Horrific and they would not do so on there own Doorstep seems to point to that the Engineers so called Homeworld is not located in the same System... but again if we conducted experiments on the Moon its not quite on our Door Step as far as Safely conduct experiments is it?
HOWEVER....
*If we take Ridleys comments as CANNON then indeed it had been on LV-426 for Thousands of years... and indeed witin a few hundred years of the Outbreak that killed off all but ONE Engineer on LV-223 some Two Thousand years ago...
3) Which brings us to Micheal Biehns comment "I know that Ridley’s focus is on the second PROMETHEUS (now titled ALIEN: COVENANT) and I’m sure that he and Fox both don’t want that and Neill’s movie to come out right next to each other, because they’re kind of two different worlds, with ALIENS taking place thousands of years later, which is how they explained it all to me"
This is a leak and its the "which is how they explained it all to me" comment that is interesting as well this could mean the Events of Alien: Covenant or indeed some part takes place thousands of years prior to Alien.... which is as Ridleys comment on the LV-426 event was and the outbreak on LV-223 was.... and the next movie we had hoped would give us information to clues towards the Outbreak and maybe more clues to LV-426... Ridley has said that he is working on those ANSWERS and that by the time the series of Prequels is complete we would not only know How, When and Why the Xeno was created but potentially also more details about.... if not the whole SPACE JOCKEY STORY.
so how does Alien: Covenant take place thousands of years prior to Aliens when it follows David at very least (and Shaw is confirmed but only in a small part) being found on some World by new Explorers from a Colonly ship the Covenant.... when David set off from LV-223 some 28 years prior to Alien and 2 thousand years after the Fall of the Engineers on LV-223. Does it involve Time Travel? Or are we going to see some Flash Backs to Engineers or a Event thousands of years ago... like the Sacrifcial Scene at the start of Prometheus was set a very very long time ago... Millions or years ago? over a Billion? But then it did not have to been set on Earth but its there to show us a similar event had occured on Earth long before Evolution had really kicked off on Earth.
Which brings me too
4) Ridley has confirmed shooting in Sydney in New South Wales where they are shooting a Epic Rocky Landscape.... remember Ridley did say that Paradise could be a dark and ominous place... but Rockey Terain does not have to mean LV-426 kind of Landscape... LV-223 was Rocky but it was not as Dark as LV-426. They are also doing a lot of CGI Scenes as far as Backdrops and Scale and he even hinted that some of these are going to be Spectacular, but as in what? Like Prometheus? like The Martian.. nope his comments seem to hint to something much BIGGER and Amazing.... but can that be a very Giger-ish World? in CGI or a very Avatar-ish World (Paradise) and could any such scene be set in the past.... remember the movie is based on some events linked to Paradise Lost as far as War, Rebelion and Fall of Angels and Man.... so could be set before the creation of man.... or at the start of such a Event...
Here is more.... one Location is a massive Forest Setting? Why? are they going to show us a Forest on Earth within the timeline of 2094-2122 i doubt that.... are they doing a Forest Setting for what ever World Paradise is... or was? Well Ridley had said its a dark place and so nothing like Paradise... thats not to say it could not have been Paradise as why would the Engineer had told David they came from a place we call Paradise if its a Dark and Ruined place.... but then Ridley said when Shaw and David find this place something had happened there.... and so yes it could have been Paradise... but it is NO LONGER.... This could well tie into again FLASHBACK Scene unless they find the Engineers are created by EWOKS lol
But if it is not Paradise that would be the Scene of a Forest.. it has to be some place in the past.. be that Earth, or other Location that is connected with the Engineers thousands of years ago...
But it does not have to be Paradise or the Engineer Homeworld... it could be some other place, or indeed it does not have to be a place set thousands of years ago as far as the Forest... it could be how a World Looks at sometime between 2094 and when this group of Travelers hoped to find Uncharted Paradise.... which tells me a survey mission or some kind of equipment used to scan the location they was heading showed the place to be somewhat a Paradise..
But when they get there.. it is not... as they find DISASTER and a Lone David... so maybe he has done something that has caused a Once Paradise to now be a place of Darkness and Ruin... this could fit in well as to how these Travelers was expecting a World that would be ideal to place a colony on.
Which brings me too..
5) These Travelers find a "Synthetic" David on his own... they use Synthetic in a way that draws attention to that FACT! but we know David is Synthetic... or is he? Ridley had hinted that David does get put back together but he has something Special Planned for that, which means more than getting his head re-attached if you ask me... but this Something Special could be eventually and not at the time that Shaw gets his Body in Two Parts back together..... but this Something Special that he is not going to give us any clues to, is some BIG EVENT! Maybe one of the potential Money Shot Moments of the Movie? Maybe this explains why these Travelers dont find Shaw?
But this "Synthetic" David could also be regards to another David... they have confirmed we shall be seeing TWO David's One would be the headless one from Prometheus but who is this other... is this a David that is onboard the Covenant Colony Ship...? seems Protocol afterall, but Secret by the time of Alien to have a Synthetic on board... Or did another David end up on that Place these Travelers are comming to... or is the other David on another world? Maybe from another unmanned Mission? But where? who knows.
And thus could "Synthetic" David be showing us that One is Synthetic but the other is well maybe not quite Synthetic anymore?
so you see looking at Clues released can paint a Picture.... this is without me using the supposed leaks that i was Told about, because when i add them into the Picture then you can indeed start to add up a few PICTURES in More Detail.... but these are to be taken as Rumour only... so i have not used them in this Topic.
BigDave
MemberDeaconNov-29-2015 4:52 PM@MonsterZero
It seemed that Prometheus left Questions and never Answered some in the first place...
The Questions it left was yes Engineers created us, but why, when and maybe more detail for how... it was very vague but hints that the Engineers played a part in our Creation but there is much more to there Culture and History and Agenda... Prometheus pushed the Ancient Aliens Angle on us... that Ancient Cultures and Religons had been based off interactions with these Giant Humanoid beings who possessed knowledge and technology that would have made them GODLIKE to Mankind.... They also kind of tried to add a bit more connection to the Bible in particular..... if only with the aim of loosely...
Was this something to explore... or cast out? No more Gods and Dragons comment seemed to say they are moving away, yet my source at the time Ridley said that or before? was indeed they are loosely touching upon such things... Ridley has then came out about Paradise Lost and this goes hand in hand with his previous comments comparing the Engineers to Fallen Angels and Rappace said they are off to find God, or the Devil... Ridley has hinted to the Devil too.... but lately he has refered to Paradise Lost as being a inspiration to a degree to where they are going.... Ridley has of late posed questions about if the Engineers are our Forerunners then what about how can Worlds be in the right place with the right set of things needed to support Life.... so that creation can take place on these worlds... is this coinsidence, or Accidental... he then refers to how some Scientists are now not sure on the Big Bang being Accidental.... then he posed the QUESTION... where is the Big Guy in all this...
We have to remember when Prometheus came out Ridley said he was asking Questions, and not about the Xeno or its Origins but the Engineers role in the Franchise... Those Questions he posed was....
WHY ARE WE HERE?, WHERE DO WE GO WHEN WE DIE? HOW DID WE GET HERE?
I think Prometheus had the aim to explore these, and now it looks like it is going to do so, but again in a not so Literal way but loosely... he has big plans for the Franchise back then..... BIG THINGS HAVE SMALL BEGININGS! But it seemed he was going away from this.. but now seems like he is going back...
BUT........
We still also had other reasons, firstly Shaws Questions... Why was we created? Why did they then want us destroyed? and has Holloway said there is nothing Devine or Special about Creation, and the Engineers being Mortal and created us.... she answered back... WHO CREATED THEM! Ridley had said he did not want to meet God in the first movie...
So these things i think will be Answered....
BUT.... LASTLY...
The Xeno Question and Space Jockey on LV-426 i think they was going to give Answers loosely and not a Literal Space Jockey Spoon Fed Story..... but these Questions was some of the ones Fans wanted to see... and seeing that Prometheus was a disapointment to some because it never answered these..... and based of the Interest and Antisipation for Alien 5.... i think that Ridley and Fox are now going to give us more Answers... and they will indeed ANSWER those Questions... while i also think they want to explore Who the Engineers are or was and who created them and for what purpose and also... a Tale about Creation itself from the Creation of Worlds, the Creation of Life on Worlds and Creation of beings who will carry out this work.
THUS.......
So Prometheus Saga... aka Alien Prequel Trilogy will not be about SHAW! it will cover the Burning Questions she wishes to Raise... it would be about Loosely God, Creation and Order of Hierarchy within Creation and the events, tools, Knowledge that allows for such things.... and how Rebelion occurs within Hierarchy against Creator, on Multiple Levels, and how Creation Grows to see itself as superior or equal to creator and that by wishing to Become as Gods, Play as Gods, and use the means that makes these Higher in the Hierarchy Creators to there own End and Agenda..... but some of this Power and Knowledge has consequences not only for using it, but for taking it without permision and that Rebelion leads to Punishment not only maybe at the hands of Creator... but maybe also at the hands of Creation playing with FIRE!
ULTIMATELY....
About how the Xeno fits in within all of this... as far as maybe the Biology that Gave rise to it, or even event that gave rise to it using said Biology..... Its purpose in all of this...
Which hints towards being a creation that is used as a Bio-Weapon in some War, or Rebelion or Both and Ulitmately as a means to Protect and also Punish.
