Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianMar-08-2023 8:35 PMSo this is basically going to be Scream/I know what you did Last Summer/Friday 13th/Halloween in Space?
ALIEN was so much more than a slasher flick! ALIENS showed that and to a lesser extent so did Prometheus and even to a lesser extent Alien Resurrection
Chris
AdminEngineerMar-09-2023 5:08 AMI hope it's not a slasher flick like those you mentioned, although I definitely think Fede Alvarez is trying to bring the franchise closer to its roots - a small group of people trapped on a ship or world with a single Xenomorph picking them off one by one. It's the blueprint for an Alien movie the only difference is having it be a younger generation rather than adults. It is Disney after all... my biggest fear is that they pepper in some woke nonsense that detracts from the film's plot and momentum like so many films do nowadays.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianMar-09-2023 7:23 AMMy fear exactly, Marvel is taking credit for all the things Dark Horse Comic had done years prior.
Thoughts_Dreams
MemberNeomorphMar-09-2023 9:20 AMWoke nonsense? Political messages have always been a part of the franchise, no matter if you like it or not. Weyland Yutani has been used as a symbol for corporations and their power, feminism as Ripley in a lead female role, for example. It's a bit too late to complain about that.
I rather have it woke if that means some progressive ideas here and there than some - corporations are fine, long live our military kind of thing. Corporate propaganda is everywhere, so at least keep it out of the alien-movies.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianMar-09-2023 10:33 AMThoughts_Dreams
I don't think you understand what people mean by woke.
Ripley being female isn't woke, because who she is isn't defined by the fact she is a woman. At her core, Ripley is a gender neutral character, written to be played by either a man or a woman.
Then comes the second movie, men and women both serving the military is good feminism because both genders are equals. This again isn't wokeism.
What is woke is stating or depicting all men are all evil perverted idiots and women are superior, this is woke.
Ripley never had flaunt that she was a woman, so Ripley was never woke. Dietrich, Vasquez, or Ferro, neither of these Colonial Marine women had to remind the audience that they are female they just are; so they weren't woke.
Lets take the recent example of wokeness from MARVEL, INO-She-Hulk, "I get angry and filled with rage, not because I had suffered a tragic back story or lost a love one or anything, NOPE because men exist and they are annoying!" THIS IS WOKE.
Chris
AdminEngineerMar-11-2023 1:15 PMMy "woke" concerns have less to do with forced gender roles and more to do with irrelevant pandering or virtue signaling. Alien has always been one of the pioneers for paving the way for strong female lead characters and I love it - there's also something to be said for the significance of the female aspect, life and creation that remaind a prevalent undertone throughout the Alien saga.
No, I'm all for strong, badass, female leads. What I don't need from an Alien movie are unrealistic / forced / irrelevant romantic back stories if they lend nothing to the development of the plot. Filler content for the sake of appeasing a minority of viewers. Evil corporations are fine - albeit more of an actual issue to be explored.
That's all, I just hope the Alien film is an Alien film and not another franchise poisoned by forced indoctrination to an ideology not everyone agrees with.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianMar-11-2023 9:10 PMYeah what he said^
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianMar-11-2023 9:12 PMI'm for strong female characters. Ellen Ripley should be the blueprint of what makes a strong female character done right.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-17-2023 9:44 AMI hope they do-not go and TRY and replicate us a NEW Miss Ripley....
A Character should be Created Strongly to STAND on their own Merits rather than to try and become a Ripley Clone, because they will then be Judged and Compared to Ellen Ripley.
But i agree that her Character was done really well..... i think we could maybe see something pushing for a similar Fashion as in they begin as NOT a Strong Leader but are MOLDED into a Tough Character after the Horrific Experience they have had to Experience and Survive...... we kind of saw this with Dr Shaw in one of the Alternative Endings. (Because your a F-ing Robot)
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-18-2023 4:24 AMI will add that they kind of tried to make a Ripley out of Daniels in Alien Covenant, i dont think her Character really paid off too well though....
I dont really think that WOKENESS would come into Play as the ALIEN Franchise has always had a Female Lead Character. With the Prequels they NEVER stood out as well as Ripley but i dont think this means the Solution would be to MOLD a Character to be a Carbon Copy Ripley.
Thoughts_Dreams
MemberNeomorphApr-21-2023 5:24 AMXenotaris
“What is woke is stating or depicting all men are all evil perverted idiots and women are superior, this is woke.”
I get what you mean but then it's a matter of scale, someone thinks that if you add that amount of support of feminism it's woke, another one thinks that if you add some more or less thing it's woke. Movies are art and art is about subjective things, about thoughts and perspectives and not all have the same perspective.
When you make a movie you got to make it work for you (the writer) otherwise it's meaningless and Alien has always had some progressive topics in it or at least social commentary. They might not intend to say that all women are good and not all men are bad, but you read it like that even though that wasn't their intention. If you make a movie I think that you should go for what works for you, the issue of profit should come after that. Integrity is important
Marvel was alright before, not sure how it is nowadays. Call it woke or not. Not much of a DC guy.
Thoughts_Dreams
MemberNeomorphApr-21-2023 5:26 AMChris:
“That's all, I just hope the Alien film is an Alien film and not another franchise poisoned by forced indoctrination to an ideology not everyone agrees with.”
Not everyone will agree with everything. Someone will agree about X and other one will agree about Y, and so on. Just look at the alien-franchise since at least Alien 3, no one can agree about everything if you look at the fan-base. Messages are a part of an ideology, there is a thought behind it even though people might make different interpretations.
“Filler content for the sake of appeasing a minority of viewers.”
Maybe, but then what is filler-content? You can at least put in things to make people think about it, in the franchise you've had war (aliens), prisons and maybe prison reform (alien 3), and WY in the background of Alien (crew expendable, 1979). I wouldn't say that it concerns a minority of people but rather a majority, even though people have different views.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-21-2023 5:55 AMI am not sure we could look at WOKE as being Purely about Feminism etc, its a Principle that Encompass the Acceptance and Realization of forms of Discrimination where PEOPLE are not treated as Equal and do not have the same Opportunities.
The Alien Franchise has always given us a Female Lead, even before the so called Wokenness Days... i am not sure how any WOKE things could come into PLAY with the New Movie, there are more Concerns about this with the TV Series but i think some against it are Worrying about things too much....
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianApr-21-2023 9:43 AMThere is always the force transgenderism, that trans is better then cis?
Jonesy
MemberFacehuggerApr-23-2023 6:49 AMI won't expect it's going to be stellar as Alien 1-3. But as long as it's as good as Prometheus/Alien Covenant, and keeps the Alien Saga active, I am all in.
and hope the TV series is still in production.
Chris
AdminEngineerApr-24-2023 10:17 AM@Jonesy, agreed I’m all in regardless because I want the Alien franchise to continue no matter what. Can’t be worse than Resurrection I’m hoping… lol
The TV series is still in production yes! It started production before the film did. Expect updates to drop soon for that!
Jonesy
MemberFacehuggerApr-26-2023 7:16 AMHope we can get some exciting news on Alien Day :D
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-07-2023 5:38 AM"Not everyone will agree with everything. Someone will agree about X and other one will agree about Y, and so on. Just look at the alien-franchise since at least Alien 3, no one can agree about everything if you look at the fan-base"
Well this has been Happening even since ALIENS as some was NOT a Fan of this and it was NOT say how RS would have continued. But ALIENS is a Solid Addition to the Franchise, but after that they all become Dis-Connected to a degree well Conflicting. With quite LAME Plot to Shoe-Horn in Ripley and the Xenomorph without giving any Consideration to Contradiction.
Lets hope that we do-not get any Ripley Connections in this Movie.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianJun-09-2023 8:11 AMBy the looks of it this movie will be set in the same continuity as previous films but with no connection to Ripley
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-10-2023 10:14 AMIndeed... what i was saying was i HOPE they dont try and make any Loose connections to Ripley though.... but i Suspect they will.... but it would be something like the Discovery of her Logs from the Nostromo. Which if its just that then guess its FINE if it gives reason for the PLOT.
ignorantGuy
MemberChestbursterJun-26-2023 4:37 AMHaving a nice consensual threesome sex between an alien, an android, and a human would be pretty new and unexpected by a series with rape monsters and androids. Bet they won't do it.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianJun-26-2023 12:09 PMignorantGuy
What the hell are you talking about?
This is not a ****o! Rape-allegories aside, one can view the xenomorph in a more naturalist perspective as mere parasitic animals.
ignorantGuy
MemberChestbursterJun-27-2023 3:57 AMXenotaris Well still find David write at home in an tentacle hentai. Why should we discard the allegory when exactly that is the point ?
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianJun-27-2023 6:28 AMgo write your erotic fanfictions somewhere else
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-09-2023 8:33 PM@Xenotaris Interesting fact, Lambert is canonically trans, it was revealed in the movie Aliens.
"Subject is Despin Convert at birth (male to female). So far no indication of suppressed trauma related to gender alteration."
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianJul-10-2023 3:40 AMWasn't that added years after the movie came out? Because I don't recall Lambert being trans in the scripts.
Chase Baker
MemberOvomorphDec-05-2023 6:13 AMI can't wait for this new movie to come out