Aliens - Have questions

red hood, I think it took atleast 3-6 months of deep space flight. I am sure not everyone was impregnated all at the same time it would have been the trickle effect. 1-2 Aliens popped up (2 days gestation, 3-4 days of growth) then 4, (another 5-6 days) then 8, (another 5-6 days) then 12(another 5-6 days), it starts becoming off balance. Then they barricaded the doors and blocked off the vents and etc. I can see several weeks of siege taking place as they kept getting plucked out by the Aliens before becoming deserted. That left Newt to her own devices for several months as she scurried the vents being the only thing small enough to get down them. That's just my take on it. Regards, Rick

The answer is No, During hyper sleep you do NOT age. It is the equivalence of suspended animation. There is also this... Newt clearly HAS aged, as Ripley discovers when she picks up the picture of her underneath the ventilating fan when she first encounters her, but not from having traveled through space while in hyper sleep, rather, apparently from regular human growth as a citizen pre "attack of the Xenomorphs", within the Wayland-Yutani complex on LV-426. The give away there is...she was in Hyper-Sleep for 57 years as BURKE so emphatically pronounces to her, and her looks there are the exact same as at the end of ALIEN...57 years have gone by...and Ripley clearly hasn't aged a day.

The cryogenic sleep was made exactly to not make the people aging during very long space travels ... ( and in aliens, at the beginning , in a deleted scene Ripley get the news that her daughter is already dead ) ..btw i suppose that the sulaco trip was about a month ( maybe some geek have more precise timeline )..not that long anyway . And Newt made that kind of trip eventually some time before the sulaco voyage . In another deleted scene we see the Newt family that went to look for the alien spaceship ( an indication from Burke Pj ), they got infected and slowly all the colony was infected OR overrun by the aliens ..the lost contact from LV426 did lead to the rescue mission with the sulaco .

That's the thing of it Frantz, Rick, RedHood...in order to get all of it, you have to see the full extended versions of all 4 films. it's truly remarkable how massive the difference is with just a few added scenes to each film, especially ALIENS which had I think 28 or so minutes of added material in it's extended version and just FYI, the added material in the extended Alien 3, IMO, created an entirely curiosity provoking and completely different film in it's meaning and mood than the one seen in theaters. ***Check out my Thread called "Necronomicon" if you can see it {not sure if it's even showing up} and tell me what your thoughts are on all that.*** Ridley truly is a the ONLY man to do this Other than H.R. Giger and what these 2 guys created off of each other's creativity is one the greatest stories IMO in the history of film, and I think we are about to see their/it's crowning achievement .

Rick. i like your "trickle effect", but in the marines briefing Ripley states that it took the alien 24 hours to neutralize the crew of the Nostromo, and i believe that she means 24 hours from "birth" till her escape on the shuttle! I think they mature faster than you indicate.

[quote]The Crew ships back to planet lv429 (I think thats the name). Doing this they go thru the typical deep space sleep. This would mean they are under sleep for a quite some time. They wouldn't go into that for a week journey - right? Wouldn't Newt have aged? [/quote] The journey from Gateway station to LV-426 took 3 weeks. So, the siege between the colonists and aliens took place around 5 -6 weeks approx. The added few weeks included in that approximation includes the two weeks contact time. The maturing is a rapid process, very rapid. Ricks trickle effect is a nice allegory and regardless of the speedy maturing rate of the creatures is still plusable.

Hey Oan, That was just a quick analysis. You also need to factor in Queen Birth, Queen placement and egg birthing canal supports built. This takes time and I am sure would have drawn away from them plucking humans. Not to mention building the hive in the reactor, and egg maintenance. By the time the Marines got there the hive was rather extensive. Spartacus, I've seen all of the extended uncut films. I don't think the Queen growth would be the same as the rest of the aliens. I believe that would take much longer before she reached the proper age/size to start producing eggs. I would like to think they snatched a human and cocooned it to grow a queen egg for reproduction. (Drawing on Alien Cocooning and staying as far from Alien 3 as possible). Regards, Rick

The queen could evolve from a Warrior, by eating the royal jelly. This is what Cameron suggested also how bees form a queen. This way would make more sense instead of a special facehugger as seen in Alien 3, which should die after first implantation. Although how the egg got on the ship was never even mentioned or thought out. Okay, I am going to cry now at how bad Alien 3 was....although Fincher came into his own thankfully, stinking producers! lol

oh and this is Cameron's take, not Scott's I might add.

copy that [b][i]Rick[/i][/b], very cool words indeed, and here's more food for thought... IMO You are Right, [i][b]{I would like to think they snatched a human and cocooned it to grow a queen egg for reproduction}[/b][/i] but the XENOMORPHS, IMO, did not pick who that would be...and rather, much later, WAYLAND-YUTANI did, with the help and/or insistence of BISHOP, and the woman they settled on for that, the Pentagon of their race, and any future queens of their sinister bloodline... was RIPLEY !!!

Spartacus, There is a problem with that Bishop, came with the Marines. I don't think these outright chose a specific human I think they had become numbered enough to require a queen to speed along the hive growth so they grabbed the first available one and used them. Still just a theory. I would love to see a sequel to Hadley's Hope that included some story line from the actual colony situation with the aliens. Regards, Rick

I love your theory. However, Something about that whole scene at the end of Alien 3 with Bishop trying to re-assure Ripley that Wayland-Yutani has no designs on any new BIOMECHANICAL WEAPON and does not want anything other than her "well being" and to "take it out you", the whole thing still smells to me of his potential massive COVER-UP & LIE he spat to her face, and what I remember most, is that SCREAM he pronounced, that deliberate and somehow so wrong sounding SCREAM to the entire science fiction community as he/we all watched her kill their Pet project and herself in one fell swoop!!! As for "The Bishop Problem"; their is a lot to say for the fact that he was/may not have been a real human being {making that 3 total Bishops all told as of that moment} and may not have even been the "Real Bishop" altogether as he claimed, but rather a product of advanced Robotics himself, with some very Greedy/Evil designs acting as the front man for "WT" !!! But that also infers that someone, perhaps the true "Bishop" was pulling his android strings from the start!!!

Spartacus, Remember we're trying to stay away from Alien 3. There is a possibility thats right up your alley, nothing has ever been mentioned about this prior to now. If it is standard practice to have a "Android" on a ship. Why wouldn't it be standard practice to have a "Bishop" in the Colony to oversee the companies assets covertly? ie both the Atmosphere Processor and the Alien clutch? This would make a whole lot of sense, to me anyways. I could see.. them, through the android watch the colony dwindle and then see how the Aliens would act in a combat situation by sending in the marines. Why else put Gorman in there who is absolutely clueless in a combat situation. Someone was pulling string in the military, since Gorman was the new Leui for the 2 squads. (That still doesn't make sense to me a platoon is 4 squads) Anyways what do you think? Rick

Brilliant Rick, absolutely love your slant there, makes sense to me. My Bad on the Alien 3 references but they are in fact part of this, and I could not resist.

Spartacus, I don't mind Alien 3. I would have done it alot different though. Its alright as a stand alone but a sequel to Aliens not a chance. Sides the Ridley/Cameron Only natives might start hunting for us. LOL Rick

lol yea...tru dat.

In one of the Alien scenes. I believe Lambert makes a reference to the crew that they have 9 more months to go back to Earth, I may be mistaken and it may be 11 months. But it is around that time frame. This was right before Kane wakes up.