Is it, or isn't it?

i went to the premiere on wednesday in Montreal It sucked Hard and I do mean It Sucked big time! sorry! no news on the trailer, I missed it if it was even shown here.

Well, I am not sure to be happy or sad about that Sparta as the original is probably in my top three movies ever.Other sites are reporting the same, not a patch on the original.And I guess the trailer must be coiming out with "In Time" after all then, damn.

There was no imagination or creative story telling present. All they did was watch the original and ripped off Carpenter's name and place theirs...pretty lame!

Hey Guys, No Prometheus Trailer although Fox did Trailer "In Time" on The thing. All I saw for trailers was In Time, Immortals and Contraband that's it. The 4:40 show had about 10 people in it max. The prequel explained a little bit more about the movie regarding the Norwegians and why the guy was shooting at the dog in the beginning of the original. I saw what looked similar to Replicator computer technology that you would see in Stargate: Atlantis and the old Stargate, series towards the end. It also seemed to steal a little bit from Alien. The Norwegians were tracking a signal in the ice. Much like the Nostromo waking the crew and diverting to the "signal". Regards, Rick

The Thing is… Well, I saw “THE THING” prequel last night. (NO SPOILERS) If I compare it to the average Science fiction/Horror film…it wasn’t terrible, and had some pretty interesting ideas. On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best. The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air. Also, I never really got the sense of bitter cold, and the frigid reality that it would be in Antarctica. The extra-terrestrial monster manifestations are pretty cool designs, with some rip-offs…or homage to the original The Thing, Alien, From Beyond, Leviathan, etc. A few of the effects are crap, right out of a “Sifi channel” original movie, but most are passable or good. The films editing and pacing is a bit off, and the third act feels rushed. However, I will sacrifice criticizing everything for a solid story, believable characters, and realistic, interesting dialogue. The question is: Who goes to see Science Fiction Horror Films? I mean…Who goes there?! I’ll tell you who goes there. MALES. That’s right! Males between the ages of 10 and 50. Sure you have a couple of “here and theres,” but by and large, it’s “Dudes” who make or break a SciFi/horror film’s box-office success. So why in God’s name, do filmmakers continue to shove and shoehorn female characters into traditional “male roles”? Once again, I’ll tell you why…to push a liberal, feminist agenda. These roles are traditional because they work…and are more realistic. This is an unpopular and fairly taboo subject in today’s society. You would think, they would be smart…and greedy enough to realize that sometimes you cannot accomplish both box-office success, and political correctness simultaneously. Alas, they’re too numb to figure out or balance this equation. When I saw the film last night, there were about 70 or 80 people in the audience…give or take. Only 6 or 7 were female. This is what I talking about. This is a “Guy flick,” whether people like it or not. So, all the males in the theater sat there and watched a woman shell out most of the flame throwing, alien ass-kickins. In my humble opinion, this is the main reason why this movie will fail. To tell you the truth, I actually, really liked the lady protagonist’s character…a lot! Doesn’t change the fact, that deep down, males want to identify with a male protagonist. One could say: “Well it worked in “ALIEN” with Ripley”. My answer for that would be: It worked in ALIEN, first of all, because it was a novelty. It had never…really been done before. Secondly, in the original ALIEN, Ripley was not the Rambo type of character she was eventually developed into. She was a young, responsible officer, who had command authority and terrible decisions thrust upon her, in an impossible situation. Thirdly, ALIEN was less of an action picture, and more of a horror film. Therefore, Ripley fit perfectly into the horror genre’s male psychological…Beauty and the Beast cycle, where male viewers are free to be scared and terrified, vicariously through a female character’s predicament…without injuring their own male ego. Ultimately, I enjoyed a lot of the elements in the new “THE THING” film…but it’s still weak, and pales in comparison to the original. ~Neurion P.S. The screening did not include a "PROMETHEUS" trailer.

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the tragedy is that we can continue to talk about other movies until the superbowl ... all octoberrrrr .....novemberrrrrr ...decemberrrrrrrr .....januarryyyyyyyy ......

Neurion I gotta say you hammered the proverbial nail into the subliminally repressed male coffin. Well said. And by that I mean you said it better than I could've. And I've been known to say things well. It astounds me how 30 odd years later we've been unable as an audience to connect with a female protagonist enamored with male qualities. It isn't just Hollywood to blame either or even contemporary society. The more you look into it the more it becomes apparent that it is something inherent in our human psyche, conditioned, evolved, call it what you will; this male dominant aspect of our species is here to stay. For now at least. Were not the only creatures to behave this way and we certainly won't be the last. Perhaps Prometheus will address this dare I say truism if it is in fact an origins story about more than just the alien xenomorph and their makers. Perhaps Prometheus will expand beyond all the conjecture and hypothesis and rhetoric and truly become a cinematic masterpiece. I hope so.

I think Neurion is basically right , if i will play skyrim my alter ego will be a male because i want to feel myself in a different reality and of course be the hero of that "virtual " world . So is a bit the same with movies , action movies . Btw i think is not a matter of society , of politically correct things ...is just that they want to try to be original ...when the script is very weak ( or not very original ) they try to make something to make it different , one is for example to put a bad ending , so they please "almost" a sector of viewers that will say that "the director had the balls to give a bleak ending " ...of course the movie suck anyway .

Hey Frantz, I’m gonna have to go and disagree with you in regard to societies agenda vs. artistic license in the media…at least in the United States. Perhaps things like male and female roles and political/societal correctness is different where you come from, but the current American media climate…goes something like this: The most hated creature in the media is the young, white/Caucasian male, Also known as White boy, Cracker, Haole (Howley) or Honky. Why is this? How can this be? I’ll tell you why. The USA is a great melting pot, filled with many races, ethnicities, religions, languages, sexual orientations. Etc. And it’s a relatively young country…a little over 200 years old. For many or most of those years, and for the most part, if a person was not a “white” or caucasian male…they were treated like garbage and or abused. So, as the years rolled by, the “Civil Rights Movements” gained momentum and the popular vote in the 1960s and 70s…all the way up to now…2011. In the U.S. media, it now fashionable to berate, ridicule, spoof, and even humiliate the image of the “young white male.” Think about it! Think of the movies, television shows, commercials, magazines, etc…of today. Take a close look at who’s doing what…in the roles. You will find that most of the time… like 90-95% of the time, the role of the young white male is the villain, the asshole, the nerd, the thief, the drug addict, the dork, the gang member, the killer, the “BAD GUY”. Conversely, the roles played by “so called” minorities, or “special interest groups” i.e. Females, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Jews, etc., are usually the “GOOD GUYS” or are at least in positions of benign power. If you don’t believe me…or have just never noticed… Check it out for yourself. I challenge you! Perhaps all of this sounds a bit paranoid, and maybe it is. But no more paranoid than a black person might have felt in the 1940s, when he couldn’t get job because of his color… or a woman who didn’t have the right to vote because of her gender, in times past. In my opinion, the U.S. media “machine” or industry…is controlled by Jewish-American producers and money. These Jewish producers identify more with American “minorities” and “special interest groups” than with “white males.” This is because they too were persecuted, starting with the Egyptians, the Romans, the Nazis, the Americans, and many others. Therefore, the media is used…as Jack Black in “School of Rock” would say, to “STICK IT TO THE MAN” at every possible convenience. Anyway, that’s why female characters are currently being written as these unrealistic, super-heroines. It’s to appease American women in general, who have historically been treated like shit…in real life and in the media. Otherwise, why else would we have Xena, Aeon Flux, Underworld, Lexx, Captain Janeway, Columbiana, Trinity, Neytiri, Vasquez, Chacon in Avatar, Veronika SALT, Lara Croft, Elizabeth Swan…“King of the Pirates”…and all the other recent Karate kickin’ ladies permeating the cinema these days. Very unrealistic! You know, I’ve been a Martial artist/ boxer for over 20 years, and in that time, I’ve reluctantly sparred with several women. Their choice. And I gotta tell ya…I went through them like shattered rice cakes. It annoys me when I see a 105 lb. Angelina Jolie smackin' around 220 lb. man...that's bogus and unbelievable. Now, I don’t mean to come off as an ultra-conservative dick, which I’m not. Well, I not ultra- conservative anyway. HA! I have many Jewish, Black, Asian, Latino…and female friends. We speak very openly about these subjects, and they often agree with opinions, once I explain. Politically, I’m an independent who believes in liberty and justice for ALL. Oh yeah….and…”ALIEN” KICKS ASS!!! ~Neurion…the white guy

Neurion, I disagree, Just FYI, with One thing you said.... This... "On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best. The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air". I am not quit sure about what you meant by "Like It's predecessor", because it's predecessor, is John Carpenter's "The Thing". The John Carpenter re-make of "The Thing" is one of if not, next to "The Exorcist; TVYNS", IMO, one of the top 5 "Sci-Fi/Horror Films" EVER made. That remake by John Carpenter was in a word and simply..."REMARKABLE" !!!

also, and I am sure you meant no offense by it, I am Jewish, and I take GREAT offense to that having anything , at all, what so ever, to do... with how the Suits behave in their jobs in Hollywood. YES, most of them ARE IN FACT JEWISH, but THAT, has nothing to do what so ever with the decisions they make. I do however, agree completely with the "WHITE MALES" between the ages of 15 and 20 angle.

Neurion i agree on the exagerated research of the politically correct in everything ..but i think is quite passing away and is not a bad thing after all im eagerly awaiting the new "the walking dead serie" and yes there is the afroamerican and the chinese guy BUT the main roles are all white guys ... yesterday i was watching Pandorum ...well the hero is white and the chick too .. take all the superhero movies ...are basically all white males ... the hero of Avatar ..is white and so are the two of titanic ... and so on ... is true that in every movie that have to put a character for the "minorities"...bur is really that bad thing ? Its useful to show kids that good or bad guys dont depend of the skin colour ,,, and at the end take the prometheus cast ..there is a black and a oriental guy but all the cast is white caucasian and the probably main characters too ...so i will not complain ..and i will deeply support idris elba chances of be the hero :p

Frantz, I’m not sure what you mean by “exaggerated research.” Are you referring to the lengthy nature of my post…or what? In any case, I don’t think that the “political correctness” trend or agenda is “passing away” as you do. If anything…It’s getting more prevalent and ingrained into in to society. Maybe you would understand, if you lived in the U.S.. Maybe the problem is not as bad in Europe. In America…it’s only worsening. I object to revisionist history. I object to “brain washing.” I object to lies and hidden agendas. The Soviets pulled the same shit, selling communism to Russia and many other nations they assimilated like the fricken’ “Borg.” Many people smoke marijuana to feel a certain way or alleviate their pain, others do cocaine, acid, morphine, or heroine. Still others “lick up” whatever the government or media feeds them…those people asleep. They’re…still “plugged into the Matrix”…they’re sheep…or worse…they’re slaves. I’m not one of those people…at least I try not to be. Now, Black people…or should I say African-Americans, comprise approximately 12% of the U.S. population. If I were a visitor from another planet, I would assume that “People of Color” make up at least 50% of the U.S. population…if I simply watched television and films. The ratios are completely skewed. This is what I’m talking about. I agree that children should have good role models. But, not at the expense of reality and the truth. As far as Idris Elba is concerned, I am a fan of his stuff. I’ve enjoyed his television and film work. However, the fact that he was cast in the role of “Heimdall” in the latest THOR film was, in my opinion, absolutely ridiculous…and EXACTLY what I’m referring to. In the THOR comic book, Heimdall was ironically sometimes called “The White God” or “The Whitest God.” Do you see where I’m going with this? Idris is a fine actor, but he had no business being cast as a mythological Norse god!…anymore than Anthony Hopkins would have, being cast as Martin Luther King. Un-F***ing-Belivable! C’mon Frantz…help me, help you! I’m tryin’ to pull you out of the Matrix! Just take red pill man… ~Neurion P.S. I don’t mind being called “white.” Spectrally, white is the presence of all colors. But maybe I’ll start calling myself a European-American…since other ethnicities don’t use color designations in the U.S. any more. A rose, by any other name, still smells sweet. However, you can put perfume on a pig…and it’s still gonna be a pig.

exagerated research = the fact that in every cast there must be an afro american , a latino and an oriental one ... sometimes is quite ridicolous but is useful socially because that "minority" of the population will feel to be part of something . .... of course is also to appease a more wider audience !! Regarding the matrix , the governament is the people ..they arent smarter or dumber than us ...what they try to do is to give every part of the population something to indentify with .... beware that the population always have to give the fault of their own problems ( because they drink , because they are fat , because they dont find a work , because they dont find a girl etc etc ) to the governament , to a minority , to a great cospiracy ...

Spartacus, You are correct, I meant no offense. However, I do personally believe that people’s ethnic, religious, cultural affiliations, sympathies, and or points of view…absolutely affect their professional behaviors. It’s part of who we are, and we don’t just leave it in the church, temple, mosque, ward, chapel, synagogue, or in our homes. If it’s part of us, and it’s going to affect our work…especially for artists. Human beings do not exist in a vacuum. Whether your Cecil B. Demille, John Ford, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, Ridley Scott, or even Mel Gibson…especially Gibson, your views are going to influence your art and decisions. At least that’s my current opinion. To me, if one's culture and beliefs don't show up in their work...then they're not much of a member or believer. I hope I’m not coming off as offensive. As far as the “predecessor” statement I made, I was merely trying to point out that the Carpenter “The Thing” did a great job of creating a certain paranoia in the outpost, and generated an uncomfortable feeling of distrust between the characters…a quality that the new film should’ve mimicked with greater skill. At least that was the point was attempting to make. I also agree with you ranking “JC’s THE THING” in the top 5 of horrors. ~Neurion

@Biomechanic Thanks for the advice. You sound like a very open minded person. ~Neurion

@Spartacus, You're absolutely right, I meant no offense. ~N

@Ruhaniya, Once again...HILARIOUS! ~N

Dear Frantz, You have a much more idealistic outlook and opinion regarding governments than I do. Personally, I wish you were right...and that I could agree with you. Unfortunately, I do not. Our shape-shifting Aliens, Graduate from law school, pass the Bar exam, and sometimes even hold office for 4 to 8 years. I like your world better than the one I believe we live in. Lets pray for that. ~Neurion

im not that idealistic ...i think that 80% of people are basically dumb ...so 80% of our governants are dumb ... plus add a 15% of criminals . the difference is that i dont see difference ..they lie , they steal , the do good things no more and no less than us ...they arent a different breed .

If nothing else, lol, I truly respect your candidness Neurion. At least you are a transparent hold nothing back No B.S. kind of guy. You speak what's in your heart and I have great respect for that even when I do not agree with it. Cheers. ~Sparty@the NFLParty

Member Posts: 95 Frantz › Posted 10/16/2011 I'm not that idealistic ...i think that 80% of people are basically dumb ...so 80% of our governments are dumb ... plus add a 15% of criminals . The difference is that i don' see difference ..they lie , they steal , the do good things no more and no less than us ...they aren't a different breed . Frantz, BINGO ! Dead Bang On The Money !!!

Hey Neurion, Here watch this [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneHFnqKQN4]LOL[/url] Yup its done by a black guy, but he brings up many valid points. Regards, Rick

I'm sorry but who asked for Political discussion here to begin with? This is a forum about Alien and things associated with those films. If I wanted to hear toilet talk, boo hooing and whining about how Young White Males are being disrespected in the U.S, I'll go to a KKK Rally or maybe a GOP Convention.

Is it? or Isn't it? We were just getting to the answers...of why they will make the first gay sex androids, that service the Outer Rim colonies, white."

"Ruhaniya › Posted 10/17/2011 Is it? or Isn't it? We were just getting to the answers...of why they will make the first gay sex androids, that service the Outer Rim colonies, white." Right on. Haha

Hey Miser42, I think the White guy you want to point your finger at is me. I’m the one who brought up traditional male and female film roles in films…in regard to “THE THING” prequel. Then it just sort of evolved…or devolved into this. Sorry about that folks. In my experience, the most stimulating and interesting conversations often include multiple subjects…especially subjects that tend to be taboo. So, I guess I may have stepped on a dick or two. Sorry about that. God forbid the conversation expand into different frontiers. Whew...now I realize not everybody’s ready to discuss social-political attitudes that affect and influence the arts. Funny thing is, according to Ridley Scott…the “PROMETHEUS” film is not an ALIEN film, but a “new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place.” So there you go “Miser”…This website is not really for an ALIEN movie/prequel either (as much as we’d all like it to be). You know…I actually thought of posting my original statements in a more appropriate form on this same website…if there is one, but “The Thing” prequel, and it’s trailers were being discussed on this thread. I’ll try to manage it better next time. Just go ahead and swallow that blue pill, Ahhhhh…ignorance is bliss! ~Neurion "Le Blanc" XXXOOO

Oooh! Ya got me Biomechanic! That’s what I’m after…attention. Ya know…I agree with a lot of what you’re sayin.’ None of this stuff is new. It’s all very old…ancient even. And I agree that my post was too long winded, and that the Protocols of Zion were, and are racist. However, I think it’s possible you may have that in reverse. I have made no personal attacks on this thread, whereas as you seem to be getting very personal, didactic, and mean-hearted in regard to my views, theories, and assessing my mental stability. My post mentioned “groups” and “ideas”, your messages regarding my perspectives and mental state have been vindictive and personally disparaging. I originally sought only to use a macro vs. a microscope on the modern Science fiction/Horror film genre. In spite of our possible differences in opinion, your writing is intelligent, and in fact you seem like a very sharp person. I mean that sincerely…not sarcastically like before. Perhaps we just got off on the wrong foot. Let’s not continue this…and try to find an area of the O’Bannon/Giger/Scott universe, that we enjoy in common. Sorry about the smart-ass sarcasm before. ~Neurion

Biomechanic, Thank you for all your copying and pasting…nothing like a little “free press.” I think it’s pretty obvious that I’ve stepped on a personal nerve here, and I would apologize for that, except you’ll probably just reject it any way. I wish you luck in your vexation. ~N

Intresting post, frankly i'm delighted the ripley character is not in Prometheus . I think they pushed it with the 3rd and fourth to such ridiculous levels that the franchise was ruined for me after the second film. The whole gnosis of the alien film never for me centred on the ripley character although of course she was the original films eventual heroine and this was capitalised to a grander point in the second, but for me the star of the film was always giger's alien and the sense of a genuine alien atmosphere and surreal forboding uncertainty the film so well portrayed. I guess its hard for those not around in 1979 to fully appreciate just how ground breaking and totally new that kind of film making was in those days, although its well documented on those points.. still it was hard to put into words just how it felt seeing it at that time and the witnessing the response to the films impact. I always felt that the film had so much scope for some remarkable sequels and that the very nature of the films set and setting was open to the imagination to really go to town with whatever direction you cared to take it in . By the time we got to the thIrd film the whole thing had become so Convoluted and predictable it lost all of its mystic and for me it was like watching a film about a space lizard on the rampage. I look at Giger's original artwork and their lies the answer why was'nt that world more exploited and replicated into the stories even the alien became like an extra from Spielbergs Jurassic park . I wanted the insect ultra intelligent demonesque creature with those giant black eyes and mushroom coloured skin that communicates its intentions like a sociopathic octopus that can assimilate its environment by Camouflage. The Necronomicon painting fires the imagination of what could have been.

Well, we are nearing the end of October and with no trailer attached to The Thing, we can look forward to In Time!

Mmmmmmmim i'm thinking sucker punch as a prime example lol . (Fucking spice girls ) Well i don't have a problem with female gender roles being portrayed in an unrealistic fashion after all cinema is escapism and not a literal fact of life, especially in the sc fi fantasy genre. The one thing I did get tired of was the over reliance of the Sigourney weaver character in the sequels to alien and aliens , i'm so glad they are having a complete change of direction on that front . After the second film it just got ridiculous that the subsequent films were determined to include the Ripley character. For me the alien films were never grounded by the ripley character or the appeal of the films it has and will always remain the artwork and world of Giger's creation that drew me to the stories but after the second film i felt they became parody's of themselves (even though i understand David Fincher was undermined by fox to deliver the story he wanted to tell) i still think there were a multitude of directions the films could have explored that were not related in any way to Ripley's character. I for one wanted a return to the Necronomicon original alien design where the alien resembled an ultra intelligent insectoid, bio-mechanical creature, and the world in which it inhabits so eerie and bizarre. The look of the creatures were so integral to the appeal that I was anticipating something that truly resembled that original artwork , those huge bug eyes, and that mushroom coloured skin, the enormous head and tail, a creature that had super senses, and could possibly Camouflage it self like some sociopathic instinct driven merciless octopus. Some may argue that the majority of the creature effects represented some of those ideas but for me the creature became more and more like an extra from Spielberg's Jurassic park. Given the budget of the first film and the nature of the effects industry's infancy at that time the creature effects were remarkable, but James Cameron took it to another level again especially with the alien queen designs, Still i believe that the essence of the surreal and totally bizarre world of the alien creature and the alien itself are yet to be fulfilled and i'm hoping that this film in some way goes towards correcting that or at least opens the door for future franchise film makers to deliver the Xenomorph experience we were all hoping for in the first place after the initial two films.

I blame the spice girls lol.... or sucker punch NOW THAT WAS CRAP. I do have some sympathy and can relate to what neurion is saying even though i'm on the fringes of what he believes to be the case . Another point in question is Samuel L Jackson's role in iron man totally inappropriate for the role of Nick Fury . All in all though we're essentially debating the merits of pigment and DNA , history and Hollywood can't erase the achievements of white males or any other creed for that matter its all to well documented. As for the Jews running Hollywood well there simply wouldn't be a Hollywood without them metro Goldwyn mare etc to numerous to mention . Independence day was a real Jew Fest and will smith and Jeff Goldblum save the world Single-handedly but hey that's why these films are labelled fantasy lol. No one with an ounce of common sense takes Hollywood or tv media seriously and no matter how history is distorted through these mediums you have to be pretty dense to take it on face value . Its not new that TV dumb's down its output for mass consumption and Hollywood is no different i suggest viewing more independent films and as for T V just throw the thing away lol. Same goes for most newspapers. Tv or heroin what's your drug of choice.

this forum is truly sexist and racial... no wonder people are so disturbed

UM wow, i agree neo. women in MALE roles? excuse me but i do 30 push-ups every day and work out 6 days a week and im a woman, i dont know any men in person who works that hard. i like hunting, fishing, smoking cheep cigars, and my irish butt can drink most men under the table. so.... im stealing a mans role with my liberal agenda am i? i was unaware thats what i was doing.... i guess im supposed to be weak and unable to defend myself and keep my ass in the kitchen baking pies and making sammiches for my boyfriend. this pisses me off even more because i have been bustin my butt doing home repairs the past few nights, and im quite proud of all the elbow grease i excreted, but i better stop cus that a mans roll too, right? if a guy told me something like the crap i read here tonight in person they would get their jaw busted. p.s. i am a WAY bigger sci fi fan then my bf, men arent the only audience you nimrod. IM the one with all the action figures and scifi/horror movies and collections. no men i know love this genera as much as i do and havent seen hardly, if any, of the B-movies i love. my bf is only going to see prometheus because he knows how much i want to see it, i dont see how someone can claim men are the target audience. go to a sci fi convention, plenty of us weird nerd girls there. hell i have star trek playing on tv at this moment :P huzzah for netflicks.