Prometheus/Alien Tie In... Possibly!?

I like the idea of the Queen Alien coming from the Space Jockey in the crashed derelict, laying all the eggs and either laying in wait or dying off from lack of sustenance. Consider this, there are parts of the derelict we did not see, and after the recent posting from the original Alien novel, we now know that urns were present in the derelict, if the Queen did come from the Space jockey then she could have used the urns for sustenance and laid in wait, leading up to the 2nd discovery of the derelict by newts parents.

I like some of these ideas but if Scott says just the last 8 minutes relate to ALien then thats it. The Alien franchise is in tatters at this stage and I'm sure Scott wants to protect his credibility as a director. He said the only reason he got involved in this was because he could see a chance to tackle the mystery of the origins of man. So 92% of this movie is a new venture. I reckon these photos are leaked to keep the likes of us interested and whilst they may appear along the way no answers about eggs, xenos or queens will come out until the end. Mind you I'd like to see a queen based on SJ DNA. A queen rampaging around the planet tearing people apart is not Scotts thing. I reckon the eggs are layed on the ship after it crashes and the queen dies out.

It is my belief, which is shared in part with both Ridley Scott and James Cameron that the Derelict was a Space Jockey ship with an intentional cargo of alien eggs. However, one of them aired the view that the ship is carrying them for experimentation, whereas the other aired the view that the ship was carrying them like a bomber, ready for deployment. Regards urns being on the Derelict, we never saw that. Originally it was a Pyramid with urns, on film it became a Derelict ship with eggs. Alan Dean Foster simply took elements of the original script and added them to his manuscript, recycling of old ideas, which is how Prometheus started.

Hi there, this is my first post. First of all sorry for my poor english, hope you guys will understand. What do you think? Could it be, that PROMETHEUS IS THE DERELICT? I think, what is inside the urns/ampulles, is something that can change matter, splice organic with non-organic, making things biomechanic. On the PROMETHEUS set you see biomechanical environment, but the urns and the statue of the head are normal, they are of the same material, a material that can not be changed by the content of the urns. Everything else is spliced to biomechanical. The walls are spliced with... maybe with the inhabitants or pets or plants of the planet. The SJ in Alien is spliced with the chair. Maybe he was an android, or he was a human being... In Aliens the walls around the nest where the queen resides were transformed to biomechanic. Aliens came out of the walls. In Alien the Alien came out of the wall at the end... it was hiding in the wall... maybe its nature to hide in walls. I think one of the androids in PROMETHEUS will touch the content of the urn and convert to something like an Alien. What do you think? Makes sense?

I believe that in the underlined paragraphs, Alan Dean Foster is describing an empty egg.

Hi guys. Ive read the vovel and the "Urn" is in fact an empty egg (I think Cain remarks that the eggs in the egg chamber are the same) also the "mechanism" is the distress beacon, which the Nostromo crew switch off (from memory) upon finding it. There are many other slight differences from Film to Novel. Its a great read, if you havnt I recommend it!

Yes Brego, I am afraid you are correct. I was reading before I left for work today, and I read that the passage you speak of. It broke my heart a bit, and i kinda understood how a scientist must feel once one of his discoveries is discredited. Kain does infact say to Dallas that there were thousands of his urns down there that are leathery and look alive. I was going to scan and upload it when I got home. But looks like I don't have too! But still it seemed at the time an amazing discovery, but it was neat how it got us all thinking.

"Originally Alien was to feature a Pyramid which contained urns, but when Giger became involved the Pyramid was changed to the Derelict and the Urns became eggs. We have seen from the released pictures and the leaked trailer that [u]Something resembling the urns described in screen plays are present[/u]. [u]It's conceivable[/u] Ridley wants to create a branching franchise that although tied to Alien goes in a different direction but within the same universe, and to do this he has decided to explore the mysterious Space Jockeys." Fixed.

just my 2 cents,what if the Alien we see in Prometheus is a totally organic species looking somewhat like the one in Alien,but in Prometheus the "alien" facehugger impregnates the android and we get the bio-mechanical Alien we are used to seeing since the Alien takes on features of the host.

Dammit.. did it again.. post cleared while i was editing.. hang on.. Right.. My speculation on the matter would be that face hugger is the base form of the species. The established canon is that the adult Xeno takes on the physical characteristics of the Host. If i was asked to offer an explanation i would say this. We know the Face hugger is arguably the longest lived of the stages due to the life support and protection apparatus of the egg which "activates" when a potential host is near, possibly inferring that the face hugger isn't designed to last long enough for adverse environmental factors to affect it, that resistance to environment comes from the inheritance of the evolved (from the environment of what every planet) characteristics of the host to the gestating xeno. This of course is based on the alien being a bioengineered weapon. which it may not be The upshot of which is that there is no "Base form" adult xeno, only facehuggers.

Tell ya what people, last night I had a very strong suspicion that Ridley Scott has In fact LIED FLAT OUT TO US abut something. This is a "way out there" theory of mine but it hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday after watching the new commentary for Alien on the Quadrilogy Box Set which was done in 2003 I believe. I believe he lied to keep it a secret and make sure no one was even ready for it. I believe Sigourney Weaver is going to show up somewhere either a flash back or dream sequence. SHOCKER...I know...after what he said, but go listen to that commentary again yourself and try to tell me there isn't more going on here after hearing what Weaver and Scott say at the end of it. Also, Weaver would never have accepted not being in this or that she wasn't going to be in this, personally I think she would have attempted to stop them from even making it if she wasn't going to be in it and we would have at least heard her complaining publically about it...UNLESS...it is a ploy by Scott to keep it form the public, he does this and he is that type of guy, he would do it and I can see him rationalizing before hand that when the Press asks me about it afterwords I will just tell them I lied, flat out lied, to protect that secret. I can accept being totally wrong here , but what a pleasant surprise it would be if I am not. It also makes a lot of sense after listening to the commentary form both of them IMO there's just no way Weaver doesn't make a cameo in this, we are all here partly because of her...and Scott is seriously tuned into that concept.

i hope if she does, a cameo is the abolute limit and not as ripley.. so sick of ripley.. time to do something new

I agree completely, I just think there's no way it isn't happening, and that's just me, But I think it will be done just as you said, very short, and very intelligently, just to say afterwards that they did it, I think Scott would consider it a challenge and I think the fact that Weaver has not complained or said one word about it publically speaks volumes about it.

Here is somehting she apparently told some of the press in Hollywood So who knows... I am probabaly wrong.... but that commentarty seems to suggest this entire thing was an idea that grew out of that very discussioin between Scott and Weaver while watching Alien again. There are equal parts of mystery and madness surrounding Ridley Scott's sort of Alien prequel, Prometheus, and finally the star of the franchise (though she's not in the upcoming film) Sigourney Weaver has offered her two cents. “I actually talked to Ridley about this very idea, and I’m delighted he’s doing it,” Weaver tells Hollywood Outbreak. “I feel it’s in good hands. It’s a wonderful franchise, and if they can invigorate the creature, it could have another life.”

well there's one thing i'll say about ridley scott, he's a very smart director and will do it well if it's done at all (please no..) Look at gladiator, watch the commentary and he says there's no historical basis for the part at the beginning of gladiator during the battle where they start firing flamin arrows. I f you watch they light a shallow narrow ditch full of oil that archers ignite their arrows on. It had no historical basis, he just thought it seemed the most sensible way to do it, for a line of archers to get consistent and simultaneous fire away. Some historians later commented on this saying that it seemed like a great idea and couldn't believe no one had thought of it.

@ tecb, So you are part of the grammar police I see. Concievable and Obvious are two different things. IT IS OBVIOUS that Ridley is creating Prometheus as a branch off to the original franchise. IT IS OBVIOUS because... 1. Weyland/Weylan and/or Yutani or Weylan(d)-Yutani are present. 2. The Space Jockey is present. 3. The Derelict is present. 4. The Alien/Xenomorph maybe present (likely in the final 8 minutes). 5. Both Ridley and "the LOST guy" have stated that Prometheus is set within the same universe but goes in a different direction, which is basically what I said.

Obvious infers irrefutable proof, which we have none of, in fact what we have is a bunch of stills people are seeing what they want to see. There are no finished products anywhere, we also have production crew and cast giving conflicting statements about whether this is part of the alien continuity, which it very likely is. But's not obvious by any means. Also the correction of obvious to concievable was due to the direction you claim Ridley is going to take. With the amount of stills, it's also conceivable it could be a direct sequel and the studio and ridley is throwing us curves. The first scenario is way more likely (possibly likely was a better word) but my main issue is with the fact that you write as though you are the oracle on everything prometheus related, with adjectives like obviously, definitive phrases like "plain to see" thrown around with gay abandon. Your opening post on the Weyland-Yutani/weyland/yutani logo thread was pretty much the most amazing display of arrogance (essentially, I'm right, i can't believe you don't agree with me) i've seen in recent times. And i work on the oilrigs. You haven't see arrogance until you meet a drilling rep

Blind, now arrogant = abuse. I could cry, i could whinge, I could complain... Or I could laugh. Are the 5 points I raised not fact? Yes they are. Have we not seen the leaked trailer? Yes we have. I see what I see, you see what you see. The problem is that your opinion differs to mine and instead of an "agree to disagree" position you are trying to pull my strings (which will never work) with both personal comments and an attempt to deconstruct everything I say. This is a forum, a place where people type words. If my words so easily offend you when they are not even directed at you, then it seems you take things way too seriously and view everything as a personal attack, thus you are not cut out for engaging in intelligent conversation with intelligent individuals.

Blind, yeah that was a cheap shot, arrogant? nah.. That's self evident. 1. A "W" is present, could be Weyland, could be something completely different. Could be bait to stir up publicity for the film, hell it might not even be there at all. I cite the Predators trailer where 7 or 8 target markers appear on the main characters chest but in the film only one appears 2. a picture of a biomechanical looking humanid form which could be a statue or former creature is present. In fact whether it is or not is being debated on this forum 3.Haven't seen the pic of the derilict, but based on the architecture it all does look very gigeresque. So did parts of species. 4.The alien "maybe" present? enough said. 5. Set in the same universe. Soldier was set in the bladerunner universe. What you're missing here is there is no agree to disagree between us. You are stating things definitively when my position is (in fact i agree with a lot of points you've made) is that you're probably right, but there's not enough evidence to make any definitive statements on anything. They best can be said is that "it's likely that" or "it points to". Nothing is obvious or clear. Seems to me with the above mentioned word choice in your posts, you're the one taking things too seriously. As for remarks about my intelligence.. well I'm just going laugh loudly, hang on.. yup all done

1. My points exactly, I am open to the ideas of others, just that IMO it looks like a Y with wings. 2. In the leaked trailer we saw the beginnings of a Space Jockey rising out of the disc shaped platform seen in Alien (I am unaware if you caught the leaked trailer). 3. Again in the leaked trailer we saw multiple shots of the Derelict presumably crashing. 4. We agree, although I suspect these theories of David becoming an Alien are far-fetched. IMO we will see the Space Jockey born Alien after the Derelict crashes (this could possibly link to the flamethrower pic we have seen). 5. Was it? You learn something new everyday. I made no remarks to your intelligence. It seems that wires have been crossed and a misunderstanding has ensued, either through the reading or writing of each others posts. Yes I admit I use affirmation words instead of speculation words, but I use them in places were IMO they are justified through the evidence we have seen and heard. Maybe I am wrong to that, either way that seems to be the only contention held. Maybe I should use "IMO" instead. - Extends hand as a sign of peace -