Alien3 "reboot"?

enjoyed reading all these comments. My 2 cents summary: Alien is the brilliant original we all love. Aliens is an action film - another director's artwork - not the original's style but a very good film in it's own right. Some of the classic frnachise scenes are from this movie. Alien3 tried to return to the original style although it was not crafted successfully (the word "FUCK" does not always substitute for emotion, suspense, or character development). But marks for continuing the franchise. Alien Resurrection was enjoyable in it's own right but really Josh's "Serenity/Firefly"... Prometheus promises to be the first true sequel/prequel to the original.

I agree with OzX. Alien3 was an attempt at getting back to the feeling of isolation and helplessness. The prison backdrop was just that piece to pull that emotion. And now that you mention it, it was a Firefly with an alien on board. Good observation.

I'm referring to Resurrection, in the last sentence of my statement.

To be honest I prefer Alien and Alien 3, then Aliens then Resurrection. Fincher was put through a lot by Fox and still managed to produce a good looking film that ended up being butchered. Fincher is also a big fan of Ridley's, so much so that Ridley actually visited the set of A3 to meet him. Aliens was an action film that reduced these unstoppable killing machine Aliens down to so much cannon fodder in a rather blatant retake on the Vietnam war. In fact while working as freelance and my weekly chats with Dave Hughes, most of the Alien 3 naysayers came across as whiners who wanted another Aliens. Suitably annoyed at such petulance and ignorance of how a film series works, I suggested in a letter in the magazine that they should just take their video copy of Aliens off the shelf, stick that in their VCR's and watch that instead.

alien 3 sucked///hated it..when the alien chest burst as ripley is falling is laughably bad yeah they really should let us vote for them to remake a movie for the sake of the franchise...hicks should have survived and it should have ended with ripley and hicks having a kid and returning to earth...hell ripley lost her famly after being frozen for so long that would have been a nice resolution..they could have adopted newt..but instead they kill off newt and hicks..WHAT THE hELL

to ME, anyone that says the words, "Alien 3 Sucked" is Not a Fan of this franchise! To be a fan you had to have found at least 1 thing to like in each of the 4 films!!! BUT ALL OF THAT ASIDE.... The simple fact IMO is that ALien3's restructured and extended directors cut which had zero input from it's director, YET WAS MADE WITH RESPECT FOR WHAT WAS DONE TO HIM ON THE SET BEHIND HIS BACK DURING THE FILMING OF THE THEATRICAL RELEASE AND EXPRESSLY IN HIS HONOR AND AS A TRIBUTE TO HIM AND THE PROFESSIONAL MANNER IN WHICH HE HANDLED IT ALL AND AS WELL AS BECAUSE OF PUBLIC DEMAND... ... is a FLAT OUT MASTERPIECE !!!

ALSO NEWT AND HICKS BEING DEAD MADE PERFECT FUCKING SENSE!

The problem with alien 3 is that it was never finished... If the special edition of alien 3 was recut by fincher with improved SFX and sound and possible new scenes then it would be finished and finally be recognized as the gem it is.

BLA BLA BLA, SHOW ME THE SCRIPT THAT ANY OF YOU MADE THAT'S BETTER, BETTER YET, SHOW ME THE FILM YOU SHOT THAT'S BETTER THAN THE DIRECTORS CUT OF ALIEN 3 ...ALSO IMO...THE DIRECTORS CUT OF ALIEN 3 IS TEN TIMES BETTER THAN "ALIENS".

m a huge fan of the franchise...i love alien and aliens...i had the toys and the comics and am fascinated by the alien universe...and im sayng that ALiEN 3 SUCKED and so did alien resurecction...the franchise went from great sci fi to being directed by assholes that can barely direct an mtv music video

AND THAT RIGHT THERE IMO DISQUALIFIES YOU AS A FAN OF THE FRANCHISE BECAUSE ALIEN 3 CLEARLY DID NOT SUCK AND THERE WAS LOTS TO LIKE IN THAT FILM !!! MANY MANY MANY THINGS TO LIKE IN THAT FILM ACTUALLY !!! ALSO, AND THERE IS JUST NO QUESTIONING THIS ONE, ALIEN3 WAS, OUT OF ALL 4 ORIGINAL FILMS, THE ONE THAT HAD THE VERY BEST XENO KILLING HUMANS SCENES!!! BY MILES AND MILES AND MILES...IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!!!

and again, if you know your stuff so well and it sucked as you say than PLEASE RIGHT NOW show me the film you wrote and made that's better, cause that would be just about the ONLY THING ON THIS EARTH that would give any credibility what so ever to what you have been saying here!!!

[quote] Member Posts: 841 Snorkelbottom › Posted 01/18/2012 The problem with alien 3 is that it was never finished... If the special edition of alien 3 was recut by fincher with improved SFX and sound and possible new scenes then it would be finished and finally be recognized as the gem it is.[/quote] This is why I LOVE being here with all of you...guys like the one that posted the above. He and I do not see eye to eye all the time, but we RESPECT each other enough and these forums enough to be HONEST with each other and to everyone else even if it does not make anyone in particular feel all warm and fuzzy, even if it hurts. If I go over the edge in your opinion tell me, and if I can see where I was wrong I will be the first person to admit it. But just being here, for any of us, has to mean that we all saw something redeemable for all these years in the Alien franchise or we would not be here at all. To me that has to include all 4 films.

For me, alien 3 was a nice try by fincher To go back to the roots of ridleys alien. it was faster paced but was focusing on one alien without rambo action from aliens. Aliens was a nice spin off and it definetly was still a very serious movie unlike the horror comedy alien ressurection with too many funny moments and ugly Designed aliens. To me they should have stopped with Ripley after alien 3 and rather have Other protagonist on a totslly diffrent planet To meet more aliens.

really love those thought provoking comments man!!! Very well put if you do not mind my saying so, I can dig it.

In agreement with Spart here. You don't have to like either Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection but saying "they sucked" is an opinion that means nothing. Give reasons why you don't like it, fine. Then it becomes a valid debate. Then again, It makes perfect sense coming from somebody who doesn't understand the English language enough to differentiate between usage of the words "there", "they're" and "their"/"to" , "too" or even spelling in general.

I felt like both Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were great. They had the story and character consistency of good film sequels and they weren't garbage. Alien 3 had AWESOME character moments that I think David Fincher was able to pull up out of the story. It had a very powerful script and Sigourney Weaver, Charles Dance and Charles S. Dutton were fucking fantastic in that film. [img]http://nymoviereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/alien-3.jpg[/img] It was different and it was darker and much more gritty. It wasn't about guns blowing up Aliens but it was about Ripley's final journey into hell and how she was going to leave her final mark on humanity. I just felt Alien 3 was a very powerful and moving film. You didn't want Ripley to give up but you knew how her demise was going to be and you start to really feel for Ripley because you have traveled with her through so much and now we get to see her death which was internally shocking yet awesome. [img]http://www.film.org.pl/images/alien3/alien3_7.jpg[/img] Alien Resurrection I thought was epic on its own level. It showed you how fucked up and twisted the military were and how desperate they were to retrieve the Alien just like Weyland-Yutani. When Ripley finally confronts her clones that made you feel that what the scientists were doing was clearly wrong and you felt Ripley was different and the whole scope of the film was a unique thing. [img]http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/alien-resurrection-film.jpg[/img] I thought the fact that Ripley bonded with the Aliens was such a brilliant notion and idea. That fact that she could now be accepted after hundreds of years have gone by. It was deep and frightening because it wasn't Ripley but a being that had Ripley's liking yet was Alien and that I thought was just a fresh idea and twist to the series. Ripley was now evil in a sense and her character was darker and very unpredictable. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-afhujNTmf-o/TYDYfx6bqpI/AAAAAAAABeA/IXiaVy80t50/s1600/alien-resurrection-97-12-g.jpg[/img] The past 3 films we could trust Ripley and we knew who she was but in Alien Resurrection she was THE Alien. We didn't know what she was capable of and I think that added to a lot of the mystery that is part of the series. Her coming back I think really served its justice because the military wanted to bring back the species but Ripley proved them wrong, that it wasn't any different than what she had been through before and the darkness she had faced wanted her to kill the Aliens even if she was a bit Alien herself. [img]http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/849/6816_512x288_manicured__HweoTcz1ekCt8ZR1+N2-4w.jpg[/img] The film was different in that it really was about bringing someone back from the dead and how they can take on a whole new era of life. It was Ripley's journey back into a completely different and fucked up nightmare that I think no one would of truly expected. Deformed clones, a new breed of Alien like the Newborn, everything was genetically fucked up, creepy and terrifying. The horror that we knew nothing about. It was a different Ripley, a different time and a whole new fresh notion of Alien. That scene where Ripley is in the nest I think symbolically showed her sinking into the world of the Aliens which I thought was one of the most memorable, powerful and moving scenes in the entire series. I know a lot of people didn't like this film but to me it really left a deep, dark, mysterious and melodic groove into the series that is most definitely worthy. [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l59f0dlf441qa1o5zo1_500.jpg[/img]

I thought both Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were quality films in the Alien Series. Alien 3 was a powerful film. Sigourney Weaver, Charles Dance and Charles S. Dutton were fucking awesome. David Fincher was able to pull out amazing character moments from the story. The script was very powerful and moving. Alien 3 wasn't simply about guns blowing up Aliens but it was about Ripley's final journey into hell. You really felt for Ripley because she had been through so much and you knew she was going to have to face her demise but she wanted to leave her last mark on humanity. She wants to rid the universe of the evil that has been haunting her all her life. And that I think was such a powerful and emotional concept David was able to pull out of the film. [img]http://nymoviereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/alien-3.jpg[/img] It was less about guns and blowing up Aliens and more about how to face her nightmare and die knowing she won't have to worry anymore. The acting was fantastic and it was about the humans coming to terms with death. It was darker and more gritty. The story was powerful and intense and Ripley was a heroine. Her death was internally shocking yet awesome. [img]http://www.film.org.pl/images/alien3/alien3_7.jpg[/img] Alien Resurrection was epic on a whole other level. We knew and trusted Ripley in the last 3 films but now in Alien Resurrection we see Ripley as a darker, evil and more unpredictable character which I thought added more mystery to the series. She was THE Alien in the story. It was awesome to see after hundreds of years have gone by that she was now accepted as part of the "family" to the Aliens. She had bonded with them. [img]http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/12/08/alien-resurrection-ripley.jpg[/img] Ripley was strange and untrustworthy, she had the liking of Ripley but had the persona of an Alien. That I think gave her character a depth that added so much to the series. Her coming back I think served justice because she was able to show how her nightmare was no different in the past than it was in the dark distant future. The military was willing to retrieve the Alien in any way shape or form just like Weyland-Yutani. When Ripley faced her aborted clones it sickened you and made you feel that what the scientist were doing was clearly wrong. They weren't simply gags but they were emotionally charged. [img]http://www.ikcfhew.com/Alien_RPG/Images/Ripley&Clone.jpg[/img] When I saw that scene when Ripley was in the nest it symbolically shows her sinking down into the world of the Aliens. Alien Resurrection was completely different. Ripley was different, the setting was different and the Aliens had conceived a whole new Alien, the newborn. The genetic fuck ups were terrifying, dark, creepy and melodic. And ultimately I felt Alien Resurrection really did leave a deep dark terrifying groove into the series. [img]http://lookingcloser.org/wp-content/uploads/2004/12/alien-resurrection.jpg[/img]

I thought both Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were quality films in the Alien Series. Alien 3 was a powerful film. Sigourney Weaver, Charles Dance and Charles S. Dutton were fucking awesome. David Fincher was able to pull out amazing character moments from the story. The script was very powerful and moving. Alien 3 wasn't simply about guns blowing up Aliens but it was about Ripley's final journey into hell. You really felt for Ripley because she had been through so much and you knew she was going to have to face her demise but she wanted to leave her last mark on humanity. She wants to rid the universe of the evil that has been haunting her all her life. And that I think was such a powerful and emotional concept David was able to pull out of the film. [img]http://nymoviereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/alien-3.jpg[/img] It was less about guns and blowing up Aliens and more about how to face her nightmare and die knowing she won't have to worry anymore. The acting was fantastic and it was about the humans coming to terms with death. It was darker and more gritty. The story was powerful and intense and Ripley was a heroine. Her death was internally shocking yet awesome. [img]http://www.film.org.pl/images/alien3/alien3_7.jpg[/img] Alien Resurrection was epic on a whole other level. We knew and trusted Ripley in the last 3 films but now in Alien Resurrection we see Ripley as a darker, evil and more unpredictable character which I thought added more mystery to the series. She was THE Alien in the story. It was awesome to see after hundreds of years have gone by that she was now accepted as part of the "family" to the Aliens. She had bonded with them. [img]http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/12/08/alien-resurrection-ripley.jpg[/img] Ripley was strange and untrustworthy, she had the liking of Ripley but had the persona of an Alien. That I think gave her character a depth that added so much to the series. Her coming back I think served justice because she was able to show how her nightmare was no different in the past than it was in the dark distant future. The military was willing to retrieve the Alien in any way shape or form just like Weyland-Yutani. When Ripley faced her aborted clones it sickened you and made you feel that what the scientist were doing was clearly wrong. They weren't simply gags but they were emotionally charged. [img]http://www.ikcfhew.com/Alien_RPG/Images/Ripley&Clone.jpg[/img] When I saw that scene when Ripley was in the nest it symbolically shows her sinking down into the world of the Aliens. Alien Resurrection was completely different. Ripley was different, the setting was different and the Aliens had conceived a whole new Alien, the newborn. The genetic fuck ups were terrifying, dark, creepy and melodic. And ultimately I felt Alien Resurrection really did leave a deep dark terrifying groove into the series. [img]http://lookingcloser.org/wp-content/uploads/2004/12/alien-resurrection.jpg[/img]

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