Two Different Space Jockey Vessels…Or The Same One?

my take is that everything in prometheus looks more metal and less organic than in Alien ... urns-egg ...space jockey chair ... ship ... corridors,,,so i dont know if its only a stylsh choice or is part of the plot

They look like different models to me. :) Similar , but still different.

Yeah, similar but different. On purpose or artistic licence?

Simply using all the artwork and modeling which had been done previously for the "Alien" derelict/sets ( there are piles of it in the [i]public[/i] record ) would have been just as easy, if not easier, than making changes to the designs. Such changes wouldn't make sense, if the ship in this movie was intended to represent the same one we saw in "Alien."

similar for sure, but not the same (to me) the only real difference i can see on the latest ship, are those sharp thorn-looking protrusions on the sides and top of this latest vessel other than that, i'd say they are pretty close in comparison

I think the derelict from Alien is the same ship except its been weathered and has been sitting there for a long time with the changes in temp and the hostile environment, maybe the alien that burst out of the Sj has changed it to a small degree making it all moist and bloated

I think they are the same ship just a fresher look or what they consider an up to date look

Also note the back of the of the "Prometheus".. from the explosion shot you can see the back of the ship. Then look at this site and you will see that they are not the same.. http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/Derelict.html

They look sort of the same, other than the new one is heavy metallic, less organic (as Frantz said) and has a longer...telescopic dong? Neurion you just scratched that spot in my brain I could not reach NOooo! they are different, so is the space jockey control room. I believe I am seeing an alternate Egyptianesque alien universe, DJ Spin in the house! Then silence as the clock strikes midnight! holy crap is it ever quiet....great time to meditate in the safety of our merkaba. Meditation Party in our Merkaba [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5IUAnm1te5k/SXsev2j2aWI/AAAAAAAAAMw/kKWva_wQLys/s400/Estrela+Tetraedrica.jpg[/img] I meditate on...if there is such a thing as too much trance. UHummmm especially if you fall asleep listening to it. I used to listen to "stop smoking hypnotism". I used love that stuff as a kid. Great for afternoon naps. Funny thing is I smoke but I don't smoke that often or that much and can go weeks and months with out it. UHUMmmmm ummm [img]http://everydayfunnyfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/mentos-cigerrete.jpg[/img] Mentos for your Merkaba Why do they taste so good? You know if your meditation is working if your pupils are dilated!

Maybe this "new look" Derelict is how Giger or Scott originally intended it to look. Also take into account three things... 1. The average filmgoer (ie not one of us Alien geeks) will not see the "minor" differences, and few it as the same ship. 2. In both Alien and Aliens Special Edition what little we see of the derelict from the outside is obscured and grainy, nowhere near as clear as the image at the top of this thread. 3. Ridley said that he never liked the way it looked on camera, claimed it looked like a minature model. And Cameron had to work with a broken model of the original.

As said at the beginning of this thread, "Ridley’s eye is very discerning and scrutinizing". So I'm pretty sure the differences are not unintentional. But rather than there being 2 derelict crashed ships I suspect something happens to the derelict after the crash which transforms it into biomechanical.

I believe both are the same ship. I agree with Scot in that weathering should change it, adding a layer of dust and changing colors. What bothers me, on the other hand, is that the terrain doesn´t look the same. We don´t know at this moment how much time lapsed between the events in Prometheus and Alien (agreeing that Prometheus actually is a prequel), but I think unlikely that that amount of geological change would let the ship unaltered.

The geological change in the terrain, seems to me could explain how the derelict wound up more horizontal in Alien, whereas in Prometheus it's almost straight up. The ship could be a very strong construction which is why it remains pretty much intact after the explosion, crash, and any subsequent geological upheaval.

For all we know the derelict may let topple over in Prometheus.

Neurion, I am curious and I need someone to explain this to me because I just Do NOT get it. Look at the two pics you posted, Just LOOK AT THEM... I just do NOT get any of this...I do not understand how anyone can look at those two pics and say that's two different ships, I mean I understand how it is totally possible, but what I do not get is How anyone can look at those two pics and think and say to themselves, "yup, that's 2 different ships" I mean for crying out loud they LOOK LIKE THEY are EXACTLY THE SAME !!! EXACT SAME HAMMER ON THE SAME SIDE OF ONE OF THE ARMS EXACT SAME WHATEVER IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THE OTHER ARM THE TEXTURES IN BOTH PICS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME I MEAN IT IS FROM APPEARANCE THE EXACT SAME SHIP AND I FAIL TO SEE WHERE THIS ANY EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE... GUESS I MUST BE DUMB OR SOMETHING 'CAUSE THIS ALL JUST MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME ...IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME FRIKKING SHIP OR ELSE IT;S SO CLOSE THAT I CANNOT UNDERSTAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME HOW THERE IS EVEN ANY DEBATE ABOUT THIS!!!!

My feelings as well sparky. So what if there are a few small differences, all in all its the same ship. Nit-picking geek alert IMO, no offence. You know like comic book guy in the Simpsons.

@Spartacus, Look at the picture of the ship in the mid air explosion shot. Then look at this link. http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/Derelict.html Notice the back of the ship... and you will see they are not the same.

@Spartacus You might be completely accurate. The two ships in the two photos may be intended by the filmmakers to be the exact same ship. It’s just that I, and apparently a few others, see differences in the new films design of the craft…and are curious about the possible explanation…if there is one. These are your words… “I mean for crying out loud they LOOK LIKE THEY are EXACTLY THE SAME !!!” “EXACT SAME HAMMER ON THE SAME SIDE OF ONE OF THE ARMS” “EXACT SAME WHATEVER IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THE OTHER ARM” “THE TEXTURES IN BOTH PICS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME” “I MEAN IT IS FROM APPEARANCE THE EXACT SAME SHIP AND I FAIL TO SEE WHERE THIS ANY EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE...” End quote. Ya know…I’ve been watching, reading, and studying ALIEN movie “stuff”…for 32 years…ever since I was an obsessed little “Alieophile”…especially Giger’s work and related effects work. I’ve been an illustrator ever since I could hold a crayon…and similarly Ridley Scott…I too have a very discerning and scrutinizing eye. To me, the differences in the Derelict ship’s model work are fairly subtle, I agree…but there none the less. And if it is there, I thought it might be interesting to read other member’s opinions…including yours…as to what this could mean to the PROMETHEUS storyline. Especially in light of amount and attention to detail that is usually expressed by members of this website. So, sorry if this all seems a bit kooky…but I just can’t get past the fact…that the designs look different TO ME. AND, if Scott and company are intending to pass these two designs off…as the same spacecraft...without further explanation, this particular “Alieophile” will be disappointed. Peace, Neurion

It isn't so much the external appearance, but the "map-room" that seems to indicate it's not the same ship. The differences in that case, are farily obvious. Is it entirely [i]possible[/i] that they're one and the same...?...sure, but why make changes, when replicating the original set perfectly, would have been so simple?

I say why replicate something you've already done when you can improve upon it and do things you couldn't do the first time round.