Prometheus is a prequel..please dont argue otherwise

According to Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is not a reliable source. See: Snorkelbottom's indigestion. Actually, the Wikipedia explanation you posted is the type of colloquial distillation I've been trying to combat, here. The way things like films and games are marketed today has caused the term to be generalized, and thus, invalidated. I stand by the dictionary on this one. Also, because 'prequel' and 'sequel' are specific words to denote, or flag, especially connected works in the same universe. Within a universe, 2 or 3 books/movies may be actual sequels - the beginning and conclusion of a plot, and the growth of the characters there-in. The other fluff in the same universe will not directly influence this arc, and should not be called prequels or sequels, if just for the sake of confusion. /IRONY

@Snorkelbottom Wikipedia or not, do you agree with the definition of prequels? And please, try not to be so dramatic, it´s a community not a drag show..ehmm...sir?

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I agree with the definition of a prequel as stated in the dictionary, not the abombination that is Wik, wik, wiki (funny taste at the back of my throat). But we don't know if it applies to Prometheus or not in regard to Alien.

What dictionary are you looking at, snorkelbottom?

Well its like a book, with pages. Starts at A ends at Z. Don't know who the author is though, doesn't read like Stephen King, not much of a plot.

@visualizer - The definition I used, being the one I felt was the easiest to understand, was the version from the Reference foundation's dictionary.com. Pretty much all dictionary sources will agree - in so many words - that a prequel or sequel continues a story arc established in another work; beginning it, continuing it, or concluding it. Alien's core plot is self contained, and thus Prometheus cannot function as a prequel in this way. Aliens functions as a sequel because it directly continues the struggle of the character Ripley with the antagonist of the series.

That is to say, if we assume that nobody from ALIEN is in Prometheus.

If Prometheus, or Magellan is in the same star system as Archeron then they would detect the same radio signals that Nostromo did. Especially if the derelict seen in the trailer is not the same one we've all seen since witnessing Alien. As for it's indestructable nature, I don't think it hit the ground. It landed. They stood there in environmental suits just looking at it in an upright position. At some later point it falls from this position onto it's side. No doubt something the members of the expedition did resulted in this.

@Manndroid - so you are basing your conception of a prequel on this definition: "a literary, dramatic, or filmic work that prefigures a later work, as by portraying the same characters at a younger age" Right?

Right. Though with the proviso that it involves a story arc introduced in the previous works, as added by the Webster variant.

Just to get back to the basis of this thread - In my opinion a prequel is a story/movie devoted or dedicated to it's sequel. This, according to all those directly associated with it is not devoted to Alien but a side show answering some questions relating to Alien and dedicated to the possible origins of mankind.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. What matters is what something is, not what it is called. It's a companion piece. "A companion piece is a creative work that is produced as a complementary work to another stand-alone project, but storywise has nothing to do with its predecessor. While a companion piece does not necessarily need to take place within the same "universe" as the predecessor, it must follow-up on specific themes and ideas introduced in the original work. It must also be intentionally meant by its creator to be viewed alongside or within the same context as the earlier work".

guys, I am sorry to chime in here but I couldn't take it any longer... Here is EXACTLY what Ridley Scott has to say on all of this....or rather, what he has made perfectly clear to all of us already, and a long time ago at that... It was just a matter of time before we'd get some details about the Prometheus presentation at the CineEurope expo in Amsterdam today, as The Hollywood Reporter gives us the details. First of all, Ridley Scott confirmed that Prometheus will be about the mysterious Space Jockey as seen in the derelict ship in Alien: Scott acknowledged that Prometheus, while not a direct prequel to Alien, occupies the same general universe, saying the picture was inspired by a desire to explore the mystery of the "space jockey" the giant fossilized creature with the burst-open chest seen in the first Alien movie but never explained. Scott also confirmed, as we've previously only speculated, that Prometheus is the name of the ship in the movie and that the ship is sent out into space by a large company much like the "company" (Weyland Yutani) we know from the Alien franchise. Also, back in March we speculated that the movie might be somewhat inspired by Swiss sci-fi writer Eric van Dankien, who claimed that humans are not indigenous to Earth. It seems we were right again: "The (space) journey, metaphorically, is about a challenge to the gods," Scott said. But Scott's ambitions with Prometheus go far beyond simply restarting a hit franchise. The British director said the film's storyline, and script by David Lindelof, was partially inspired by the writings of legendary Swiss sci-fi writer Eric van Daniken. Van Daniken, author of 1968 bestseller Chariot of the Gods, is best known as the first proponent of the so-called ancient astronaut theory, which holds that aliens kick-started civilization on earth. "NASA and the Vatican agree that is almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way," Scott said. "That's what we're looking at (in the film), at some of Eric van Daniken's ideas of how did we humans come about."

@Spartacus - Interesting stuff!

yes, and I just wanted it out there because I am sure a lot of people would want to know what he did in fact say about all this. Edit: and in no way what so ever was it intended to undermine your post, I like the post, it has exposed many many falsehoods!

No man its totally cool. This is what this forum is for. Read new theories and articles, learn from them and lets hope everyone enjoys the film for what it will be. My own opinion, when i look at the teaser trailer again after lots of discussions, i still have a feeling no matter what Ridley throws at us its gonna be great. I remember reading a good while back Ridley quoted he wants to make it - "Nasty" That's enough for me lol.

@Spartacus Ha ha only after realising maybe that post wasn't for me. Sorry man.

hahahahaha yea me too I can't wait to read what Frantz tells us all a few days before the rest of us see it !!! He is going to be in the envious position of telling us which theories were close, which were dead bang on, which were completely off course, and whether it all works or not. June is going to be a very interesting and quite cathartic month I think for all of us !!!

I've never looked at this discussion board so much in my life in the past month. Sometimes you read someone Idea and you think shite that's brilliant and then you wait, sure that might not even be it. Aww my head is done in!!!! Grrrr what are the SPACE JOCKEYS??? lol

me too man we're all "Junkies" now !

it's a fuckin' prequel. anyone who says otherwise has bought Fox's transparent marketing campaign, hook-line-and sinker. just sayin'.....

It's kinda a prequel but in a way such as: "Patriot Games" is to "Hunt for Red October" or "Casino Royal" is to "Thunderball"

Already wasted a lot of digital ink explaining how prequel is defined, regardless of one's opinion, or preference for how the word is used, so I rest my case. Zeus' last post here acts beautifully as a closing statement for my own contributions. Thank you, sir.

[quote]Right. Though with the proviso that it involves a story arc introduced in the previous works, as added by the Webster variant.[/quote] I actually think, that both the Dictionary.com and Webster definitions are open to interpretation. Furthermore, definitions might change over time, as/if the phenomenons they describe, change and evolve. But I understand the need to base your answers on something that feels valid and secure. Whether or not Prometheus is a prequel, nobody knows - that´s not the issue. I don´t necessarily agree or disagree with you on your conception of Prometheus being a prequel or not, but I kind of disagree with your interpretations of the dictionary descripitions and your faithful commitment to them. To follow up on your latest contribution on this topic; if u wrote what u wanted to write, then It is not a waste of digital ink IMO. You can write something in here, and watch it get twisted, misunderstood or used as platform for cheap and self-satisfied punchlines, apparently that´s the name of the game in here. But thank you for a pleasant and impartial dialogue about this subject.

[quote]Right. Though with the proviso that it involves a story arc introduced in the previous works, as added by the Webster variant.[/quote] I actually think, that both the Dictionary.com and Webster definitions are open to interpretation. Furthermore, definitions might change over time, as/if the phenomenons they describe, change and evolve. But I understand the need to base your answers on something that feels valid and secure. Whether or not Prometheus is a prequel, nobody knows - that´s not the issue. I don´t necessarily agree or disagree with you on your conception of Prometheus being a prequel or not, but I kind of disagree with your interpretations of the dictionary descripitions and your faithful commitment to them. To follow up on your latest contribution on this topic; if u wrote what u wanted to write, then It is not a waste of digital ink IMO. You can write something in here, and watch it get twisted, misunderstood or used as platform for cheap and self-satisfied punchlines, apparently that´s the name of the game in here. But thank you for a pleasant and impartial dialogue about this subject.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ cocooned man - just another DNA link to the Alien world.

[quote]Prometheus is NOT a prequel, per se. It is a... the best phrase seems to be "spin off".[/quote] you were saying, snorkelbottom?

Your first post is that, especially when I've already posted on the news topic (which you should read properly). Was I the only one with this view, no. Move on.