Space Jockey body in the Derelict ship

I dont think Sir Ridders give a flying fuck about queens and all that jazz. So if Prometheus does conclude with the Derelict crashing on a planetoid orbiting LV-426 in a system close to Zeta II Reticuli, then we shouldn't be surprised to [i]not[/i] see a queen alien. From all Ridley's interviews, the impression I'm getting is that metamorphosis from victim to egg is his preferred genesis. "They do uncivilised and perverse things" is what I'm clinging on here - although some special individuals on this forum immediately jump to rape. To each his own.

I think good ideas like the ones you guys are posting don't get the attention they deserve because a lot of people on here are not very opened minded. They believe in the comics, novels and the movies so much so they talk about them like they really happened. They have memorized so much of this fiction and have add it to all their own little fanfic ideas that it gets set in stone. They can't believe Ridley Scott would ever deviate in any way from their own tastes. With that mindset anything presented here that contradicts what they and Ridley "know to be fact" warrants either an exaggerated explanation full of fanfic speculation or just quickly dismissed as being foolish. Welcome to the internet,

well said BM

@Biomechanic: hear hear;)

I'm feeling the SJ has a cargo of killer eggs, possibly to offload on Earth. One of our main characters lets down the "blue seal" security so a facehugger can impregnate the SJ, hence stoping its killer mission.

i don't buy all this human egg conversion nonsense even if it is alien law it just doesn't feel remotely feasible.

So whose to say if there was no queen before? Perhaps the introduction of a human/earth host in itself had brought about the need of a queen.

i'm refering to peoples assumption Bret was being converted into an egg

Personally i like to think the alien was stocking the larder for a few weeks

How is it an assumption? It is described in the original scripts. The scene was actually shot for the movie but removed for pacing then added back for the directors cut. Is it an assumption just because you don't like it?

yes at what point does he look like like an egg, script or not its a bloody stupid idea but your correct i dont like it

on that assumption are all the chamber eggs previous life forms?

I think people are reading too much into the original film and the new trailer. When making the original Alien, no one was concerned with a backstory...the idea was to create mystery and atmosphere by making the alien creature be found inside a mysterious ship whose origin is utterly "alien" (not to make a pun) to the people finding it. Were the SJs trying to escape the aliens? Were they transporting them? Were they trying to get rid of them? Were they victims of it? Were they god-like creatures who seeded life around the universe? None of these questions were ever considered when the movie was being made...the idea was to generate a very eerie mystery. Because of the demand to know more, Scott, Giger, and others who worked on the movie have given different vague answers as to what they THOUGHT the answers could be, and mused about them as an entertaining subject for speculation, but there has never been a consistent, official backstory for the SJs or anything else concerning the Alien universe (the clumsy backstory in the AVP movies not withstanding, and Scott has been very vocal in stating those films have no place in the Alien universe as far as he's concerned). Obviously, this will change in Prometheus, in which Scott and the writers aim to provide an origin story. Clearly from the trailer, we know that Scott has decided to go with the "SJs are beings who have seeded life" idea, which first originated in the original Dark Horse Alien comics. But, again, I think you are overthinking the whole process. Prometheus will very likely not answer all of the questions, and it may not even provide a specific origin for anything per se, but rather a suggestion of things. In the Dark Horse universe, mankind has found more than one derelict in different places around the galaxy. My guess is, Prometheus will NOT directly tie into Alien, but rather tell ANOTHER story about ANOTHER crew finding a derelict and what happens to THEM, only to foreshadow what will happen later on in Alien.

No wonder the script went through dozens of rewrites.

Yeah a lot gets cut out before the expense of making a set and props and shooting the film however that scene was not.

Too true re scripts and alterations. Altered- Ill pick you up on "stocking the larder" are you stating that Aliens need to eat? Or that the Alien was storing host bodies for future breeding purposes? I have always thought that Xenomorphs have no need for sustainance in a way which we understand. However this should go in another thread....

If the eggs were indeed cargo, can someone please explain to me 1. Why did the SJ pilot have a chestburster inside him?? Also 2. Why did the signal the Derelict was sending out was apparently more of a steer clear then an SOS?? I mean surely the SJ had bad motives for carrying these eggs around onboard. . .

Snorkel, Concerning canons: the truth is that _as you can read in "Giger´s Alien", for example _ in the original script by O´Bannon the egg chamber was in a pyramid. Cost considerations derailed this idea, and the money managers forced the solution of the egg chamber being an integral part of the derelict _ somewhat the director maybe was unconfortable with, thus the incoherence in the measures. Alas, if you read the script, it has the following revealing words, at the time Kane was descending into the egg chamber: DALLAS (voice over) See anything? KANE No...Tunnel's gone. Cave or something below me. Feels like the goddamn tropics in here... So, Kane thinks he´s in a cave. There are further signals of this: KANE ...high nitrogen content, no oxygen... Still puffing, he releases his purchase on the stone walls. Begins to lower himself on power. See? "Stone walls". Probably a cave beneath the derelict, not a part of it. Finally: I don´t want to quarrel. Just confirming how difficult is to establish what could confortably be considered "canon" here or not.

I think canon should be whatever RS says is canon. Had he been able to make Alien the way he wanted to, then the scene centrosphere posted would be canon as we speak.