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Space Jockeys & Derelicts

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Gavin

MemberTrilobite01/20/2012
In the course of the past week or so I have opened 2 threads, which have been met by many with some controversy. So I have started this thread in the Community Discussions section to set the record straight. In the first thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]FOUND HERE[/url] I stated that the Space Jockey found in Alien was not a long dead, fossilized alien pilot, but a briefly dead alien pilot in a suit. Illustrating my point with images. Of course this means that our collective belief that we held for the past 33 years was wrong, and as such many refuse to accept the truths of the thread. Now when I say truths, instead of findings or theory people believe me to be arrogant. But the FACTS in this thread are facts. Why, because the interview in [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1094]THIS THREAD[/url], started by craigamore, which includes the following quote from Ridley Scott himself: "[i]Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit.[/i]" In my thread I was accused of being wrong. How can I be wrong when all I have done is repeat what Ridley has said above, with pictures to illustrate and support the fact. Surely if I am wrong then Ridley is wrong. In my second thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1170]FOUND HERE[/url] I stated that the Derelict in Prometheus is the same one as in Alien & Aliens, again illustrating my point with images. Immediately I was accused of being wrong despite the logic of what I had written being sound. The two main arguments put against me were: 1. [i]The design of the Derelict in Prometheus differs both internally and externally to that seen in Alien and Aliens. Thus by this logic these people claim there is more than one Derelict.[/i] Answer - Ridley has clearly decided to change what we thought we knew, thus is it really beyond the realm of possibility that Ridley would make other changes. Also Ridley clearly states in the documentaries on the second disc from the Alien: Directors Cut DVD that he never liked the way the Derelict looked on film, stating that it looked like a model not a spaceship. 2. [i]According to a fans website chronicling the production of Alien and that films Novelization the Derelict had been there for at least 1 million years for the pilot to be fossilized.[/i] Answer - This is simply answered by answer for the first thread of mine I refer to. The fans website and the novelization of Alien are now void because Ridley has changed it to suit Prometheus. 3. [i]Possibly preemptive here. Some may say that the planet in Prometheus looks completely different to LV-426 as seen in Alien and Aliens.[/i] Answer - One of the many themes proposed to be in Prometheus, amongst others, is terraforming (see forum member Spartacus). If we look at the planet shown in Prometheus it looks dead and barren, kind of like Mars, whereas LV-426 looked primordial, prehistoric, kind of like Venus. If the Space Jockeys do have the power to terraform an entire planet I imagine we are talking of something similar to the genesis project seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Thus something similar could be released at any point during Prometheus and would explain the difference in landscape. Also on another note I find it hard to believe that Ridley would want to portray the Space Jockeys as dumb and stupid by having them crash two almost identical ships in two films.

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Theusprom

MemberOvomorph01/21/2012
Oh my word Snorkle, how many threads you have created about this now? Do you really need your ego stroked to this degree? Is it so important to you to feel your right all the time? Not everyone will agree with your theories or ideas (because more often than not, they are not facts) no big deal, it's a forum. [b]Imagining that those eggs had been lying there in wait for a million years, dovetailed perfectly with the atmosphere of total isolation and puny insignificance, Scott created for the Nostromo and her crew in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber," because of what it suggested about the SJs[/b] Don't know who that is, but I agree with it. And don't worry, this is the last time I post in one of your threads as I've realized there is no point putting any discussion across. Peace. Over and out.

Gavin

MemberTrilobite01/21/2012
@ Theusprom... First of you didn't put a discussion across, you said I was wrong. If I am wrong then Ridley must be wrong because all I did was repeat what he stated - Ridley clearly states in the interview that I link to in the OP (posted by craigamore) that the SJ in Alien is NOT a skeleton it is a SUIT. No skeleton, means no fossil, it is a SUIT. Thus it is a fact, from Ridley himself. Why do you think the image of Noomi in front of the SJ suits was released, to nail the point home that they are SUITS, and so that we all could compare them to the SJ in Alien and realise that this whole fossilization business never happened. Furthermore the Derelict in Prometheus is the same one as in Alien, the differences in the planets surface and the details in and on the Derelict will no doubt be explained in Prometheus (my guess its Sparky's idea of terraforming). The Derelict is a bomber used to deploy eggs (Source - Ridley), the alien that bursts of out the SJ is NOT a queen (Camerons idea not Ridleys). Finally TIME TRAVEL, why would time travel be in Prometheus. The only reason such a lame idea would be used would be to explain that the Derelict has been there for millions of years, and to explain the fossilization of the SJ. But the SJ isn't fossilized its a SUIT (Ridleys words not mine) and I see no evidence whatsoever that Prometheus will feature time travel. How is this so hard to understand, fossilization never happened, Ridley has changed the back story to the SJ to suit his needs and vision for Prometheus, how can no-one see this!

artyoh

MemberOvomorph01/21/2012
Snorkelbottom, just because Scott has said the SJ body in "Alien" was a suit, it doesn't necessarily follow that the ship had only been there for 30 years. Why are you assuming that the differences between the SJ ship and moon in "Alien", and what we see in the Prometheus trailer, are the result of terraforming and a casual attitude regarding continuity? Why isn't it just as logical if not more so, to conclude that the clear differences we see, are simply because they [i]aren't[/i] the same?
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