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Space Jockeys & Derelicts

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJanuary 20, 20123145 Views63 Replies
In the course of the past week or so I have opened 2 threads, which have been met by many with some controversy. So I have started this thread in the Community Discussions section to set the record straight. In the first thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]FOUND HERE[/url] I stated that the Space Jockey found in Alien was not a long dead, fossilized alien pilot, but a briefly dead alien pilot in a suit. Illustrating my point with images. Of course this means that our collective belief that we held for the past 33 years was wrong, and as such many refuse to accept the truths of the thread. Now when I say truths, instead of findings or theory people believe me to be arrogant. But the FACTS in this thread are facts. Why, because the interview in [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1094]THIS THREAD[/url], started by craigamore, which includes the following quote from Ridley Scott himself: "[i]Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit.[/i]" In my thread I was accused of being wrong. How can I be wrong when all I have done is repeat what Ridley has said above, with pictures to illustrate and support the fact. Surely if I am wrong then Ridley is wrong. In my second thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1170]FOUND HERE[/url] I stated that the Derelict in Prometheus is the same one as in Alien & Aliens, again illustrating my point with images. Immediately I was accused of being wrong despite the logic of what I had written being sound. The two main arguments put against me were: 1. [i]The design of the Derelict in Prometheus differs both internally and externally to that seen in Alien and Aliens. Thus by this logic these people claim there is more than one Derelict.[/i] Answer - Ridley has clearly decided to change what we thought we knew, thus is it really beyond the realm of possibility that Ridley would make other changes. Also Ridley clearly states in the documentaries on the second disc from the Alien: Directors Cut DVD that he never liked the way the Derelict looked on film, stating that it looked like a model not a spaceship. 2. [i]According to a fans website chronicling the production of Alien and that films Novelization the Derelict had been there for at least 1 million years for the pilot to be fossilized.[/i] Answer - This is simply answered by answer for the first thread of mine I refer to. The fans website and the novelization of Alien are now void because Ridley has changed it to suit Prometheus. 3. [i]Possibly preemptive here. Some may say that the planet in Prometheus looks completely different to LV-426 as seen in Alien and Aliens.[/i] Answer - One of the many themes proposed to be in Prometheus, amongst others, is terraforming (see forum member Spartacus). If we look at the planet shown in Prometheus it looks dead and barren, kind of like Mars, whereas LV-426 looked primordial, prehistoric, kind of like Venus. If the Space Jockeys do have the power to terraform an entire planet I imagine we are talking of something similar to the genesis project seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Thus something similar could be released at any point during Prometheus and would explain the difference in landscape. Also on another note I find it hard to believe that Ridley would want to portray the Space Jockeys as dumb and stupid by having them crash two almost identical ships in two films.

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Galaxy Dave
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Could Walter Sobchak have a face hugger for you by 3 O'Clock with green nail polish?
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He got me a toe...I know'd he get me a facehugger by 3!
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True! Question: Are the SJ's nihilists? And are xenos biomechanical marmots? I think we were asking the wrong questions all along!
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I bet it all started with a carpet...that a chinaman pissed on and that carpet brought the room together man...it really did.
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Unless the plot of Prometheus involves human involvement in "creating" the xenos, there's no reason to tie the stories directly together. Deliberate or accidental human "assistance" in the process [i]would[/i] be darkly ironic, but also [i]terribly[/i] predictable. On the other hand, if the xenos are [i]ancient[/i] SJ tech, then the reason for them being on the derelict becomes self-evident. We already know that SJs have been terraforming planets for millions of years, based upon the plot synopsis. I always liked the idea that the eggs on that derelict had been lying in wait for a million years. It dovetailed perfectly with the total isolation and insignificance of the crew and their cargo in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber" because of what it suggested about the SJs..........and that one came right out of the proverbial horse's mouth. Anyway, I really hope it [i]isn't[/i]: "Oh noes,[size=200] wE[/size] made teh xenos!!!1!:o
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"Chinaman"? Is that the proper vernacular? Isn't it "Chinese American"? Maybe the SJ's roll on Shabbos, only to spite Sobchak Industries Corp.?
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I wonder how many flea eggs are in that rug? And, was the rug in flight when some of them hatched? Good Lord- the implications. Epic.
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I, for one, really hope that it[i] isn't[/i]: "Oh noes, [size=200]wE[/size] made teh xeNos!!!1!1 :o" It's just too Hollywood-predictable.
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True artyoh, that would be a major disappointment. "Trite-clever" is overused, predictable and irritating as all get-up.
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You just can't stomach any faith for Ridley being smarter than that I guess, huh Artyoh?
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Ridley's gunna slap us with a reality check, send us into orbit with all our theories, come back to earth with brain cleansed, only to find that we simply must see it again! And again!! We'll be shocked by: Ridley's Believe it Or Not
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Ridley me this, BATMAN!
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Imagining that those eggs had been lying there in wait for a million years, dovetailed perfectly with the atmosphere of total isolation and puny insignificance, Scott created for the Nostromo and her crew in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber," because of what it suggested about the SJs. I just think the idea that the xenos are the result of some human screw-up and/or hubris, is kinda lame against the notion that they're the equivalent of pest-eradicating parasitic wasps for a race of extremely advanced gardener/terraformers. If the xenos aren't already some kind of bio-weapon, then [i]actual[/i] SJ weapons had better be pretty damned impressive by comparison.
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You just can't stomach any faith for Ridley being smarter than that I guess, huh Artyoh? Of course I can. Why do you think I'm arguing against the idea, rather than promoting it?
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Also, if you look carefully, when Kane takes a closer look at the alien egg, you can barely make out, "Brought to you by Burger King". Just keep looking. It's there. And yes Spartacus, it's consistant in character for Parker to fart after sipping his coffee. Beautiful fact sir, beautiful. Parker broke wind and Ridley broke box office records. Team work my friend, that's where it's at.
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LMAO, & then there's this you guys... [quote] Imagining that those eggs had been lying there in wait for a million years, dovetailed perfectly with the atmosphere of total isolation and puny insignificance, Scott created for the Nostromo and her crew in "Alien." I also always liked the idea that the derelict was a "bomber," because of what it suggested about the SJs. I just think the idea that the xenos are the result of some human screw-up and/or hubris, is kinda lame against the notion that they're the equivalent of pest-eradicating parasitic wasps for a race of extremely advanced gardener/terraformers. If the xenos aren't already some kind of bio-weapon, then actual SJ weapons had better be pretty damned impressive by comparison.[/quote] I think I got Artyoh to take it to a whole other higher level, and raise his game big time!!! Awesome Post !
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I think that right there might be my all time favorite post on this board!
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in the Necronomicon all seems to have its own life, to my I would have liked that everything in the temple is alive. I like that the biomechanoids biomechanoids or the skeletal monstrosities attack astronauts from the walls, ceilings or even the floor. but it seems that things are going for the scope of the mutation lol. and these suits are obviously not fossils, but given its organic nature must be prone to wear and tear over time. PS: I'd like that the space jockey is an alter ego of Prometheus and his punishment is to give birth to a jock-alien…ah and I hope that the monsters are very abstract, I do not see mutant zombies...
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In the Necronomicón all seems to have its own life, to my I would have liked that everything in the temple is alive. I like that the biomechanoids biomechanoids or the skeletal monstrosities attack astronauts from the walls, ceilings or even the floor. but it seems that things are going for the scope of the mutation. And these suits are obviously not fossil, its organic nature is which makes them vulnerable at the time and the environmental conditions. PS: I would like to make the space jockey abandoned an alter ego of Prometheus and his punishment is to give birth to a jock-alien…ah and hope that the monsters are very abstract, as a combination between Lovecraft and Giger (what would look like the mountains of madness, lol)
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by the way my apologies for my very bad English, my native language is the Spanish...

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