Something that bothers me about the facehugger.

Craigamore: I read your post on the previous page and I've felt that Aliens was actually a progression from the original movie, and possibly the only possible progression the story could've made given the purely superior and dominant nature of the alien species. Unless the producers wanted to make the same exact movie as Alien, they needed to address the possibility of an Alien hive or multiple aliens in a sequel. It was established in Alien that the xenomorph was not a singular nightmarish creature, but part of a species through 1. establishing that there were hundreds of alien eggs, and those alien eggs could reproduce via any other life form (human, space jockey, etc), and 2. establishing that the alien worked not as a purely murderous species, but rather worked as a species that wanted to multiply and grow (seen through the deleted scenes of the original script of Dallas being cocooned). It was shown that 1 alien would be no match for multiple unarmed/untrained humans. So if the progression was to see what would happen when multiple aliens formed a nest, they would have to involve military and make it some sort of more action oriented film for everything to make sense. While I love both films, and both films are completely different, I think making a sequel to Alien in that same fashion would've killed the franchise (like Alien 3 or resurrection wound up doing anyway).

If 'Prometheus' is anywhere close to as good as we all hope it is.....then everything you just wrote snoogies.....every last word of it goes out the window. If 'Aliens' was the only direction that the story could have gone, could have "progressed", then we wouldn't be talking to each other right now, there wouldn't be a prometheus-movie.com and we wouldn't be waiting for a movie entitled 'Prometheus'. And anyway...what so much better about making the aliens no match for armed marines? Doesn't that strip the mystery, the perfection Ash speaks of away from this uniquely terrible and beautiful monster?

I agree with craigamore and aintnoxeno, there were liberties taken with Aliens that just broke the established rules set in Alien. If we are to take Alien as the original setting for the Alien series universe then we have to look at the broken rules. Unless Kane was suppose to be a "super host" the xeno born from him was much more durable within the story than the following xenos. If you were to logically read into what Ash had to say about the "xeno prime" (I'm going to call the Alien xeno, xeno prime since it was the first) then we could speculate that it was a highly adaptive creature that was able to withstand being forcibly repelled from a star ships thruster without being reduced to atoms! And in all likely hood xeno prime is still floating around in deep space basically inert. And it's those type of discrepancies in Aliens and the movies afterward that bother me and it appears also bothers Ridley Scott as it seems like he's pretty much ignoring all the movies except his.

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Heres one thing that always bothered me about the Facehugger in Alien... When the Facehugger gets Kane in the Egg Chamber it breaks through his helmet with its embryo laying proboscis before melting a small hole through the glass of Kanes helmet (which means it doesn't spit acid from the proboscis), so that it can get inside the helmet and grab Kanes head, with its tail around his neck. The thing is that melted hole is so small and tight around the Facehuggers body, it has always bothered me how it got through, long finger-legs, scrotum air sacs, tail and all??? @ wtf1977, nice idea, but the Facehugger could've just smashed through the glass with its proboscis.

Reply to OP: Perhaps Kane did manage to throw the facehugger off him, but the acid had already started melting through his helmet. Once it melted through, he would go unconscious in a short time (a couple of minutes, according to Google), which would leave him at the facehugger's mercy.

I've been stained :( It was unfortunate for me that I saw Aliens before I saw Alien. I love Alien. I love Aliens. Alien 3 was okay, but I left the theater severely disappointed. I didn't have that feeling of dread and anxiety that I got from the first two. Alien: Resurrection - well, they just should have left that one alone. Not a horrible movie, but all the dumb wise-cracks and the lame character named Call, just ruined it for me. Ridley - take us back to the creepy horror, please!!!

Just a few pictures to help with the discussion of how the facehugger gets onto Kane's face through the glass of his helmet. I've read about it breaking the glass instantly (don't know if that is officially stated anywhere or not), but the picture of the helmet doesn't really look like broken glass. And when it jumps onto the glass, it doesn't look like anything has broken (albeit, they do cut away almost instantly, so they didn't really need to show it actually breaking). It would be interesting to find out if there is any 'official' way it got to Kane's face. Then again, we could be reading way more into this than was ever intended. :-) [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_053.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_062.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_063.jpg[/img]

I think the hissing sound we hear in the movie when the facehugger grabs his facemask is a clear indication that it used acid to eat through the faceplate. Just enough to get through. That middle pic there shows the edges around the hugger are melted. JMO

The time line between Alien and Aliens is what, roughly 58 years? I would imagine that the space suits that Kane wore would have been improved upon in that time period. I mean, what's the point of having all that technology if we're still going to send our people out in shoddy space suits?