AM I THE ONLY ONE???

Not at all. They were fun, with good eye candy. Who doesn't like the Predator? Those films had AMAZING potential. They just weren't Alien, and nothing else has been in 30 years.... Alien scared the bejeezus out of me then, and it still does. My kids are older than I was then, and I'm still a chicken when it comes to that movie. Turn off all the lights and watch it alone? Hell no! Nothing else ever came close.

i feel like i am the only one on this site who enjoyed avp and thought it was a good idea. i guess thats not completely true...

I think it was a great idea. The films were just poorly executed. The stories could have been better too. All that potential, and mediocre direction. People only dislike them because of what they were, as opposed to what they could have been. Missed opportunity big time!

In my opinion these films could be legendary if they had been taken more seriously and not just to make hamburgers, that is to say with top directors. Why in another post I said that the predators fit well in the alien universe. I think it is good material for a spin - of or crossorver... my greetings

I enjoy most science fiction, and yes I enjoyed AVP; It's just not in the same league as the original alien/aliens. Of course not every film can be. ... and definitely not Alien canon IMO. AVP works best IMO as a game scenario, where it is absolutely perfect, and it probably made for some fun comics too (i've not been into comics so much, but i did enjoy some of the dark horse aliens series). AVPR - aliens in present day city - was really inappropriate IMO. Basically I see Predator and Alien as very different styles of sci-fi, and in the Predator universe alien wouldn't be as mysterious / awe-inspiring... just another 'wild animal', overshadowed by a much more recognizable,'down to earth' hunter civilization. Alien with it's odd lifecycle always hints at a deeper style of scifi IMO. What's being hinted at for prometheus is way better as a depening of alien... truly alien level of civilization, hard sci-fi themes etc... an "anti-2001"

Bacon Boy....being a fan of 'Alien' and comic books in general, I was drawn to the AVP comics way back in the 90's and they're decent comics, decent stories to read... but I just don't think they translated to the screen and being an 'Alien' purest, so to speak, I personally have issue with them the way I do with all the other Alien sequels...the genre shift from sci-fi/horror to sci-fi/action adventure. That robs the material of a large part of its identity and that always bothered me.

The films would have been great, but only if the mystery of Alien, and the "bada$$" nature of the Predator would have been the stars of the show- Not some BS human characters with pathetic agenda that just acted as story fodder. A fantastic film of the two genres wouldn't have had a single word said. Just two great monsters pulling out all the tricks to see who is left standing when it's over. And hey- do any of the directors out there know what a PLOT is? AVP and the sequel aren't hated because they were that bad. They're hated because they pissed on what they could have been. A sequel, or a reimagination, or whatever the hell AVP would be called- should have been the pinnacle of both series. Instead it was weak and heartless. The pinnacle was in the past for both genres, and the AVP directors appeared to have no clue of that fact. Reminds me of Jurassic Park's best line: They (scientists, i.e directors) were so busy seeing if they could that they never thought whether or not they should"

AvP:R could have been scripted better it did leave an open door at the end, with the Pred Gun. But it brings the xeno's right to our home and that is what scares the shit out of you. Think about this. If you saw an alien outside your house you'd crap your pants then grab your ankles cuz theres nothing else you could do. I don't like how they messed up with the xeno birth cycle from the Predator DNA, though. AvP: Kinda worked for me I love Fishnet Xeno. He's a total badass. They hijacked the heroine from the Alien Cannon, but kept with the Predator Reward upon achieving clan status as a warrior.

i think AVPR was weird being in the city @centaurian_slug i do think they could have been better, and i do agree its not really a horror, but i accept it as a action/si-fi. it wasnt exactly ment to be a horror. at least thats how i see it. i am just tired of all the "AVP sucked" comments and the "it was a bad idea" comments. its like alien 3 hate all over again!

Copy and Paste... I know most of you would kill me so I will comment below ...but it was long before having notion about Prometheus... I must admit that I expected an AVP 3. My wish was that this was carried out in the terrifying and dark corners of deep space, with the weyland yutani undertaking in an epic crusade of stellar conquest, and all this to make the Space Jockeys his grand final appearance. In AVP, we see that the Predators brought the xenomorphs to the Earth, but not who created them. Also saw that in the Hall of trophies Yautja had a skull of Space Jockey, this already can assume as it was the Predators found the race of the Xenomorphs. In my opinion the crossover might be legendary if they had the right direction. But is Prometheus which finally give solution to the mysteries and doubts about the space jockeys... Best regards

I expected an AVP 3 also. AVPR ended with them finding the predator gun, leaving an open window. i think for an AVP3 they could have built off of that, or the end of the 360 video game (marine/predator), witch was the them going to the xeno homeworld. and if they DID do that, that would give AVP a chance to have a big comeback and finaly please the people that hated it.

AVP and AVP-R were great fun movies. A fantastic mashup, and a creative way to do it even though they were not like the graphic novels at all. The big problem that I had with the AVP movies was that they tried to steal away the franchise and make them the true real pequels, and to me that was just wrong. It definately was a creative way to explain why/how the companies Weyland Industries and Yutani Corp. knew of the xenomorphs before hand. But it just did not stick with the majority of fans (myself included). I also did not understand the shear number of the creatures in the first AVP too. The ratio of drones/warriors to human or Pred hosts were way off. So how the heck did there get to be so many Xenos?? Even the novelization did not explain the numbers, infact the novelization actually states that there were xenos in the hundreds (and there were not that many people to host that number!

I don't think they were as horrible as most people say they were, and certainly wasn't as bad as Resurrection, but IMO if they put our the first AVP with an R rating and eliminated the "love story" between the predator and the main human character that film could've been much more regarded among the community. Had they just taken the best elements of AVP1 and mixed with the best of AVP2, they would've had a great movie, instead it was clear the franchise was a cash cow at that point and it wound up hurting the Alien saga. Lets hope Ridley can bring it back with Prometheus!

Two things Shadowcaster....One, I totally agree with your assesment about how the AVP movies tried to make themselves prequels. That really annoyed me. Two, in reference to the number of xenos in both the graphic and prose novelizations of AVP, the colonists of that particular planet raised a species of mammal called Rhynth, I think, not sure on that name, for sale as meat stock. There were even references to the quality of Rhynth steak in those stories. The point I'm driving at is that, in the comics, ranchers begin to find corpses of their Rhynth with, get this...massive holes in their bodies...i.e. from chestbursters. The story makes it very clear in that regard and it goes even further. The aliens infest a transport ship that is loaded full of an enitre herd of Rhynth that were meant to be shipped off world, hence the hundreds of xenos that followed.

One of the things that I liked most of avpr was the Predalien and the skull of Space Jockey…I hope that we can see a Jock-Alien in Prometheus, I know that it is unlikely but as they say dreaming it is free… PS: In fact imagined that the xenomorphs of Prometheus would be unrecognizable by the mere fact of having had no contact with the human race. We would then see aliens born from animals or native creatures on the planet of the Jockeys; in the same way that we see the Xenommorphs taking the form of its guests (the human, the dog and the predator)

Both Ridley and Giger were mortified by what fox did with those movies especially Giger he looked physically traumatised by what the studio and those cowboys did to his beautiful beast. Its like taking a da vinci and sticking it amongst graffiti, unbridled rape of a masters work.

now how about this: how many enjoyed AVP as they were watching? i dont mean watch it and scrape up all the little things that were good, i mean who actually thought that it was a well put together movie?

Perhaps my perspective as a teacher of video and audio production might be helpful. I've been helping elementary to high school-aged kids make movies for the last 20 years. Let's face it... a class like mine attracts guys and gals... just like us. In the past 2 decades, I've seen a fundamental shift in the creative gene pool. The majority of these kids are no longer interested in telling a good (let alone) great story. What they want is action! Remember, the majority of them grew up with first-person shooter games where they already had the cheat code to come back to life as many times as they wanted! Where's the challenge/story in that? And then they have the gall to say they beat the game?... (PS. the majority of them approach their classes & testing with the same philosophy). I have had a few gold nuggets through the years but really only 2 that come to mind creatively. One (a 1999 grad.) helped to pen Transformers 3... was it a better story than the first 2? We are all our own judges. The other is entering Sundance this year (a 2003 grad.) So I'm looking at almost the last 10 yrs. of little to no creativity from most of these kids... it's disheartening when I have to spoon feed them ideas and all they want to do is jump to the chase sequence. Thanks a lot YouTube. Prometheus will not only be an epic throw-back visually and artistically, it will have a real story attached. Here's hoping... if not we can always watch "Pocahontas In Space", where John Smith, I mean Jake Sully helps to destroy then save the Na-vee, I mean NAVajo/CherokEE tribe living in the Tree of Life. Unobtainium... really?

What's that I smell from miles away? Oh that's what that is.

Paul Anderson is a hack that wouldn't know a good story if it kicked his arse in the park in broad daylight. He ruined AVP 1 and butchered the Resident Evil series on film as far as I'm concerned. I actually thought AVP:R was SLIGHTLY better than the original, but still didn't like that it was set on Earth in an American town, because that is just LAZY storytelling. And I agree with Db, most people nowadays are straight to the action, I for one would like to see a bit of effort put into a good story, because that is what I'm shelling out for. The action is a side effect of the story being told, and if it isn't structured well it just falls apart into a Michael Bay-esque pile of steaming dung. I didn't even bother watching Transformers 3. No Unicron. THAT would have been a good movie.

No arguments here on Paul Anderson. Wasn't he the one who directed Mortal Combat?

i bet if someone like james cameron or riddley scott made AVP movies, they would have been better

Oh Db...you mean 'Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest"...wait..I mean 'Avatar'...wait..I mean 'Pocahontus'...wait..I mean......I don't know what the hell I mean...haven't I seen this shit before?

Ahh Bacon Boy...but Ridley Wouldn't be caught dead making an AVP. Now would he? Ruminate on that..................

but if he did it probubly would have been better is all im sayin...

You are right about that

IMO, they were stand alone movies completely by themselves. It was a concept that had been brewing since the early 90's with comics and fan talk. Finally Fox made them quickly to put out and make money fast. The first movie was better made and the second one had a better concept. Requiem was just bad with bad acting and bad directing. But with that being said, to me they were entertaining I was not expecting anything going into them. Just for kicks.

Oh yeah, I forgot Mortal Kombat. Probably for the best though. Seems he just takes others ideas and shits on them. I did enjoy Event Horizon though.

My biggest problem with AVP was that it damaged the incredible mythos established in both Alien and in Predator. Now before any of you decide to throw a basket full of facehuggers at me, let me state that I'm a huge fan of Cameron's Aliens. But when he decided to make the xeno more vulnerable to conventional damage i.e.; flame throwers, pulse rifle ammo, grenades, he effectively reduced the invulnerability that Ridley introduced in Alien. Ash defined, to a degree, that the xeno was most likely the perfect organism. And we never saw if a flame thrower would even work on the xeno as Ripley didn't get the chance to use it on the xeno. Moreover, we clearly saw the xeno take the full discharge of a space craft's thruster and it wasn't disintegrated just thrown into space. Of course that could have been to lack of budget. We also have to make basic assumptions that the xeno is durable to the effect that its body contains blood of such acidic properties that it burned through nearly 3 levels of space craft material, which we also have to suspect is made of a material that is so dense that it allows for such things as space pressurization and artificial gravity stresses. Yet in movies like Aliens, Alien Resurrection, AVP and AVPR the xeno is substantially less durable. I left Alien 3 out because it seems like the xeno regain some of it's invulnerability after having survived, albeit briefly, being bathed in molten metal. Furthermore, in addressing Predator (which I feel is one of Arnold's best performances as he actually played a character more so than playing himself) it was established that the Predator was also much more resourceful than shown in the ridiculous Predator sequel and in the AVP films. Or in other words Dutch got very lucky in managing to defeat the Predator after basically dropping a tree on the Predator! Overall, I just think that the creative minds behind the movies that followed Alien and Predator took way to many liberties with the laws that had been established in those movies universes, and that's probably the main reason Ridley is pretty much ignoring all the movies after his classic Alien film.

Personally, I don't get predator and alien slugging it out as a plotline. I can accept perhaps one scene where there is a standoff but an entire film doesn't have mileage. You need humans in the film to gain the audiences empathy and hence immerse them in the fear and suspense - providing the characters are well written and acted. IMO, predator and alien should never have met. I refuse to accept the concept that alien was merely game meat for predator - it encourages the dumbing down of alien (regrettably started with Aliens) and completely tarnishes the enigmatic and exotic nature of the being. Okay so you'll point out the "fishnet alien" in AvP exhibiting street smarts, but sorry that's not enough: for me, alien is not a headless chicken that runs at the first thing it sees, no, alien is methodical, pensive, patient, and sadistic - these attributes don't fit well in the shoot-em-ups that are AvP and AvP:R. What I'm trying to say is alien is not designed for teenage action movies. Finally, I actually do agree that with better direction, cinematography, casting, and of course screenplay, AvP may have worked quite well and proven me wrong. I mean, if Christopher and Jonathan Nolan were ever asked to do an AvP reboot, man, I would jizz in my pants! ...but no, instead we got the douchebag brothers Strause. If you enjoyed AvP:R then you must have loved their other work, SKYLINE. Lol or more like crying out loud.