Derelict, or not Derelict ? That is the question.

I personaly think thier not the same I know its been coverd befor BUT the sj in alien appears to have been dead a long time, much more than the reported 30-40 years between Prometheus & Alien I think seeing the derelict in the trailer could be one of Ridley's red herrings. Also someone here has spotted differances between the two ships

This has been covered many, many times, I even did a thread recently [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1170]HERE[/url]. IMO I think it is the same derelict.

[font="verdana"]I actually hope it is a different derelict, that would be more interesting than a film that has the constraint of setting up Alien literally. ... Although I agree it's more likely that it IS the same derelict.[/font]

Still doesnt explain the state of the sj in the chair its state of decay etc God I love this site so many theories

Sorry if this has been pointed out already... Why is everyone assuming the SJ room is the ONLY room like that on the ship? Maybe the one from Alien is the pilot's area...the one we're seeing in Prometheus is for navigation or some other function. Could very easily explain differences in the designs of the room, especially if they serve different functions.

I think the different geology of the place that we see in the trailler, compared to the place where Nostromo´s crew find the derelict in "Alien", is telling. Also, it not being the same ship would vindicate Scott´s word when he says that "Prometheus" isn´t quite a prequel, but has "Alien" DNA.

Not the derelict. There are too many differences when it would have been such a simple matter to replicate the ship from "Alien" down to its' very last biomechanical nut or bolt.

i come across this spoiler which is different from the other 50 + storylines of the movie online, sounds pretty right compared to the trailer but it could be a load of poo. it explanes why the ship is so old hukerlover, it involves time travel. the prometheus gets sucked into a worm hole and travels millions of years to the past, thats why i have high hopes for this plot http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/11/28/possible-prometheus-synopsis-arrives-spoiler.html

[quote]Who would like the derelict in Prometheus to be the Derelict in Alien? [/quote] Only rule I make for myself when speculating is to not make two of everything. One human ship, one derelict-style ship, one UFO-style ship, one planet. These clearly have to be there. So naturally I think it is the derelict :P [quote]Why is everyone assuming the SJ room is the ONLY room like that on the ship?[/quote] Star map room is assumed to be the same as the pilot's chamber because of the four sarcophagus in the room and the same-style entrances. The star map room's ceiling ("window") matches the outside of the ship (this can be seen in the explosion pic). Therefore the room is assumed to be big and wouldn't fit anywhere else on the ship.

just watched aliens, and when ripley is being questioned abouth the crew and nostromos destruction, she clearly states," it was a derelict ship, its was not from there" we homed in on its beacon...clearly then the craft crashed there ......any thoughts, and yes , yall have some of the best theories i have ever read towards this upcoming film, wonder if Mr, scott reads these at all..:)..............

maybe the aliens were on that planet-toid and mixed with the alien SJ?

if the plot about time travel is correct and the space jockey has been the planet for millions of years have the eggs been there that long aswel? the ship would only decay more but would the eggs survive that long? will be funny when the movie finally comes out and proves us all wrong

Thats the problem I have with the idea of the derelict being there for at least a million years, the eggs surviving that long.

@UKAlien it explanes why the ship is so old hukerlover, it involves time travel. the prometheus gets sucked into a worm hole and travels millions of years to the past, thats why i have high hopes for this plot Oh no please not a time travel movie No, I still think that its not LV-426 therefore differant ship Just my opinion tho

Kane did say , "it feels like the damn tropics in here" and with that blue light, acting like a boundary layer to protect the eggs from ,say,,, the environment?....maybe?, the chestburster from sj had to be a queen.

Snorkelbottom does have a good point there you just cant see the eggs surviving that long

I want it to be the same ship.

@ chumbrother Kane did say , "it feels like the damn tropics in here" and with that blue light, acting like a boundary layer to protect the eggs from ,say,,, the environment?....maybe?, the chestburster from sj had to be a queen. I read somewhere that Ridley had said that the rest of the series was not part of the Prometheus/Alien story line so in Theory no queen I think we all agree that the Xeno is some kind of weapon created by the sj's

i think (hope) its the ship from alien, why take an iconic scene from the first film then tease us with a similar image in the Prometheus if its something different. im 99% sure its the same ship. time travel isn't that far fetched when you consider what technology the space jockeys hold.

ok how about the ship crashes, the alien killing its space jockey host and the xenos killing all life on the planet and making the ship its nest? but would mean all over aliens would of died out leaving only a few eggs??

There may have been something unique to that planetoid's atmosphere that caused rapid Fossilisation. Perhaps caused by the derelict itself crashing and releasing some sort of chemical? That's a far better explanation than the lazy time travel shit. I think it is the Derelict by the way.

The planets atmosphere Theory i like that I still think its differant and somewhere else entirly as Ridley does say dna to the movie???????

Never did quite look like the SJ/Pilot was fossilized (turned to stone) more like freezer burned/dried out in the cold dry air. Would not take much time to do that.

Go back to alien and listen to what dallas says to ash about the Atmosphere of the planetoid that get his attention.....:)

i think and hope its the same ship. and i dont really buy this time travel crap...

time travels been done, really dont think thats the deal here.....they (our hereos) get stranded on this planet, so some how they have to get off, its how do they, if they even do? and who paved that road in the preview of them heading towards there spaceship.....odd, thats its even smooth.....

My gut tells me it is the same ship....but it doesn't have to be and let's remember....in one of the 30 sec teasers for the teaser trailer, Ridley says, "they find an establishment which is not what they expect it to be...." Who know what that is, the ship, some other structure. Who knows....my gut just tells me it's the same ship...all we've seen so far sets that up properly.......... ............and as to the concerns about topography, geological appearance and a supposed discrepency that would have with 'Alien'......we've only seen a few brief and barely defined shots. That is one hell of a massive ship crashing from God knows what altitude....there's no way at this point to tell exactly how it will land, where and what that will look like....it could slide upon landing and end up in the visual topography of 'Alien' when all is said and done....there just isn't enough in what we have to know for sure and barely enough to speculate....I think we need a bit more before drawing that line in the sand.

Oh ukalien no...time travel would be awful...please God, no......that would just be cheap and easy...too easy. Time travel, as a plot line, is almost impossible to use anymore without the material coming off as lazy and trite. Please...no time travel..

Why do we assume the SJ from A L I E N is fossilized and therefore millions of years old? Recall that photo a few few months back in which the body of a SJ is laying to the right of the two women inspecting a spherical object with their flashlights. The SJ body appears bony, sinuous and every bit the same condition as the SJ in ALIEN. By that logic, the alien craft sen in the trailer could certainly be the same one seen in ALIEN.

Also...with the likelihood that the SJ is a suit, as Ridley HAS said, there's no telling what the makeup of that technology is and what, as @Cypher put it, the atmosphere of that planetoid could do to it in a short period of time, especially considering that it's integrity was compromised ('it looks like he exploded from inside'). What if it's literally biomechanical in nature and the elemental makeup of that atmosphere simply has a remarkably degrading effect on it once its integrity is breached.......

Just throwing this out there, but the trailer implies that the derelict crash is at the very end, but it does stay remarkably intact considering it does crash. The engineer who activates the chair may come later or earlier than it appears to in the trailer... The ship does stay intact during the crash. Maybe it's still airworthy and still a threat after being knocked down. If Shaw does in fact end up in the chair (based on another thread's discussions), then it's not completely impossible that it leaves the planet seen in the trailer AFTER the crash landing. There is nothing in the trailer that explains exactly WHY or WHEN the derelict shows up, or who is driving when it does. If taking the derelict out by ramming it failed to actually stop it from being the "weapon" it is supposed to be, then someone getting into a suit to pilot it elsewhere as a last-ditch effort is at least a possibility. It would certainly explain the apparently different final resting place of it from Prometheus to Alien, without needing two derelicts in the original story. Just an idea, anyway.

it'd be one giant coincidence. they both fell in identical position. photos of the filming location looks like the alien planetoid. my vote goes towards same ship.