Joss Whedon effect on Prometheus

I agree strongly with the clone, each movie had its own strengths. No one is saying that 3 and Resurrection were of the same quality as the first two movies, but what did you expect? A carbon copy of The Nostromo or Hadleys Hope adventure? The series had to go somewhere!! Of all the sequel scripts available online I have never read anything that compares to the sequel movies, therefore I appreciate those movies for what they are..... quality science fiction. Frankly the amount of Alien snobbery out there is disappointing, "because its not Ridley Scotts Alien - it's garbage" I gorge huge amounts of science fiction as often as possible and the vast VAST majority of it is depressingly bad, if only there were more productions like Alien 3 and Resurrection I would be a happy man. Not everything can be, or should be, a masterpiece.

I agree strongly with the clone, each movie had its own strengths. No one is saying that 3 and Resurrection were of the same quality as the first two movies, but what did you expect? A carbon copy of The Nostromo or Hadleys Hope adventure? The series had to go somewhere? Of all the scripts available online I have never read anything that compares to the sequel movies, therefore I appreciate those movies for what they are..... quality science fiction. Frankly the amount of Alien snobbery out there is disappointing, "because its not Ridley Scotts Alien - it's garbage" I gorge huge amounts of science fiction as often as possible and the vast VAST majority of it is depressingly bad, if only there were more productions like Alien 3 and Resurrection I would be a happy man. Not everything can be, or should be, a masterpiece.

Ripley 8 says it all Alien 3 was a bloody good film and i think ive seen as many times as Alien I personely didnt enjoy Alien Resurrection I didnt like the CGAliens, the story was good though and it can have a sequal to explain more of Ripley's new DNA

See this is one of my biggest problems [i]"The series had to go somewhere?"[/i]. Did it? Did it really? Because from where I'm sitting it looks like they made 3, Res, AVP and AVPR for the sake of it/cash. If you don't have a decent script or source material then don't make the darn films. I can't stand this, [i]well what did you expect, a film as good as ALIEN?[/i] yes, yes I did. If Ridley and his team can take the time and effort to create a masterpiece, and Cameron can put the legwork in to a superb sci/fi action then I don't expect anything less from other directors. If you want to add something to the ALIEN universe, then do it right don't just make films because you fancy having a go.

aliens acting a score of 9 i think your being extremely generous there frantz lol

For me, Resurrection paid enough homage to make it a good Alien sequel. It was whackier than any of the others (Cameron wouldn't of touched it with a ten foot pole) but it at least built something and carried on a tradition of altering the alien's life cycle. Though it shines a light on how horrible the Alien 3 script was. Now that I think about it, if Fincher went down the whacky route and went with the script about the company performing experiments on inmates, it would of at least built on the corporate greed theme that the other films shared. He could of said, "well, it's going to be a sad ending, and I can't really compete with Cameron's film, but I at least have this". Instead there's nothing, really (I know it's not all his fault). This is where I disagree with Enderwiggin, it WAS the Nostromo all over again. Just no heroines or lead-up to the story. An ending for ending's sake... Geez now I'm depressed.

"We're all here to discuss Prometheus, this isn't a battle between those who think it will be great and those who think it will fail." Well put at @Mentos....anyone else as tired as @Mentos and I are of the Ridley and Lindelof bashing before the movie is even out?........... @PerfectOrganism2......when you start a thread, understand the facts behind the idea...."Well we al know that Ridley has used a script written by a T.V scriptwriter, who has never made a film before, so lets take a look at what happened the last time a television writer was used to pen an Alien movie." Joss Whedon, before he penned 'Alien Ressurection', wrote 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' and 'Toy Story'. Damien Lindelof, before he re-wrote what became 'Prometheus', penned 'Cowboys And Aliens'. Second @PerfectOrganism2, what's up with all your pessimism about 'Prometheus'? I keep coming back to the forums looking for cool ideas and fun threads to geek out about and get me pumped for June and I keep finding you pouting about this or that.......slow your roll man, seriously :)....you're bumin' me out. Lastly....................@Mentos: "See this is one of my biggest problems "The series had to go somewhere?". Did it? Did it really? Because from where I'm sitting it looks like they made 3, Res, AVP and AVPR for the sake of it/cash. If you don't have a decent script or source material then don't make the darn films. I can't stand this, well what did you expect, a film as good as ALIEN? yes, yes I did. If Ridley and his team can take the time and effort to create a masterpiece, and Cameron can put the legwork in to a superb sci/fi action then I don't expect anything less from other directors. If you want to add something to the ALIEN universe, then do it right don't just make films because you fancy having a go." That was perfectly put and I thank you ever so much for expressing my thoughts and feelings for me.

@ mentos, every film made cannot be a masterpiece, if that was the case there'd be no masterpieces. So I suggest you enjoy A3 and AR for what they are.... Good films. And by the way I never mentioned AVP.

All fairness like so many others even Joss Whedon has ups and downs. Normally I have to give it to Whedon if he is left alone by studio heads wanting this and that and changing things from his original ideas they are pretty good. Remember he did write Serenity and it was pretty good for a low budget film. With regards to Prometheus I'm pretty sure Ridley Scott is very active in each aspect of this film from the writing to wardrobe to the modeling and CGI just as he was with the original Alien movie and Blade Runner. So in my opinion this will be one of the best SciFi Movies to hit the big screen in 10 years. Something familiar yet new and exciting. Good thing is Scott changed up the name from Alien which was a good move as those sequence movies get old to most and are judged before they are even watched. As for Jon Spaihts I know little about him and what he can bring to Prometheus. But Damon Lindelof can bring a good deal to the script writing of Prometheus, though he was primary for TV scripts he has since broke very well into movie scripts with the Star Trek remake and with Cowboys and Aliens.

All fairness like so many others even Joss Whedon has ups and downs. Normally I have to give it to Whedon if he is left alone by studio heads wanting this and that and changing things from his original ideas they are pretty good. Remember he did write Serenity and it was pretty good for a low budget film. With regards to Prometheus I'm pretty sure Ridley Scott is very active in each aspect of this film from the writing to wardrobe to the modeling and CGI just as he was with the original Alien movie and Blade Runner. So in my opinion this will be one of the best SciFi Movies to hit the big screen in 10 years. Something familiar yet new and exciting. Good thing is Scott changed up the name from Alien which was a good move as those sequence movies get old to most and are judged before they are even watched. As for Jon Spaihts I know little about him and what he can bring to Prometheus. But Damon Lindelof can bring a good deal to the script writing of Prometheus, though he was primary for TV scripts he has since broke very well into movie scripts with the Star Trek remake and with Cowboys and Aliens.

i haven't seen cowboys and aliens but from what i read it has very mixed reviews. The star trek reboot was ok enjoyable but very predictable but not bad there were a lot of belief suspension points in it like spoke turning up in the exact location that kirk found himself on the ice planet but you expect that in star trek i just hope this script for prometheus is as tight as a virgins ass .

I know we've gone off an a tangent slightly, but in terms of preferences of the films, for me, Alien is way better than any of the others. Alien had a fantastic story, it was all psychological, the actors and casting was spot on and the script and acting was very natural. The tension between the characters was superb and they were all real. It created a while new universe for us but left so many unaswered questions, you wanted more. The fact that to this day we all question and want answers to the space jockey illustrates how less is more. Do not give everything away. For me, Alien is an intelligent movie. I understand why Aliens is also viewed positively, but for me, it missed the boat completely. It became an action movie franchise; it lost all it's enigma and became dumb-ass. It was exciting on a different level, but there were no big questions, no revisiting the mysterious questions on the SJ or derelict and ot lost its realism. Alien was actually believable. Aliens was gung-ho and the dialogue was naff. Dont get me started on Alien 3 and Resurrection. They destroyed the franchise way before AVP did. What started off as a ground breaking, intelligent movie, ended up with a series of mediocre to awful sequels that undermined the original. This is why I am so excited Ridley Scott is back at the helm. We're hopefully back to basics, back to where it began, back to the big questions and hopefully the suspense, the macabre, the realism, the atmosphere. When I watch Alien and Blade Runner, it makes me think about the universe, our future, humanity, etc ....Prometheus will hopefully have the same impact of greater. I am wetting myself in anticipation!!

[b]@Enderwiggin[/b] oh I know, I just thought it made sense to throw AVP in a that point in my post. [b]@Craigamore[/b] no problem sir! Glad you appreciated my statement :) .

Exactly, Lindelof has helped write Star Trek and that was the best movie in that franchise by a mile. . . Also, Lindelof has proven with Lost and Fringe, that he can conjour up absolute brilliance!

in my honest heartfelt opinion if i'm honest with myself i totally agree with you stefan i always felt that way but have had to except the events of history regarding the rest of the franchise and force myself to be constructive in the merits of the other films but hand on my heart i only truly love one of those films and it is of course the first and original one. i only brought the blu ray box set anthology because it was so cheap if the film alien had been released on its own i think i wouldn't have even bothered with the rest. and i am talking with reference to the blue ray release.