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MemberOvomorph01/31/2012I rewatched Alien and Aliens today and while the former is still awesome, Cameron's movie has really not aged well. You cal clearly see the sets, the miniatures, a lot of it looks plasticky and fake.
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BellaisanAlien
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012It's a little unfair to say the film hasn't aged well; it was 1986 and the resources that Cameron had back then were well used to make the film. You could arguably say all films from that gendre haven't aged well (e.g. the face repair scene of the terminatior, etc). I think the introduction of special effects, cgi, 3d have made our expectations so vastly different from 1986 that people become way too critical. I think we should respect and enjoy them for the time they were made and the impact they have had..........

Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012@fuck it- lets go for it! Exactly! Their judging the entire series off of their own opinion. And as you said, they should be judging it from an "all encompassing position". I'm a true fan as well and to be honest, what makes a TRUE fan of any film series is that you acquire the taste and embrace all the films. If someone is a TRUE fan of a 4 part series such as Alien. Saying that you only love one film is to me not really a fan. Your not accepting the FULL story that has been put forth from the start of the first film. Whether you enjoyed it or not, there's a difference between a true loyal fan and just a fanboy of one certain film. There's a lot of Star Wars fans out there that I know of that only like the last 3 Star Wars and ignore the first 3. If your a true fan you'd accept every film as part of the franchise and not neglect any of it.
To me if you only love say one of the Alien movies, to me your just a film enthusiast or a regular film goer. If you love lets say the first two Alien films ALIEN and ALIENS, I consider that a partial fan or "half ass fan" as I like to put it. They are only accepting half of the concrete story of Alien. I run into these types of fans more than anything else and to call yourself a TRUE fan when you've only accepted 2 out of the four films is blasphemy. I've run into people That only like the first 3 Alien films, ALIEN, ALIENS and ALIEN 3. To me thats just a fan. Yeah your accepting the first 3 films but your leaving out the fourth which is, whether or not you liked it, is still canon to the series.
To me what defines a TRUE AND LOYAL ALIEN FAN is that your willing to accept and embrace ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3 AND ALIEN RESURRECTION as a full circle series. Its a 4 part collection of films that defines the Alien species and Ripley's story. If you love and accept all the 4 films to me thats a TRUE ALIEN fan. To say you only accept one or two them and still consider yourself a TRUE fan of the series is to me just a load crap. And like I said above, opinions are JUST opinions. Facts are facts. If your a true fan you'd accept the films that are canon in the series which are the 4 films.
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wheresbasky?
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012If you want to see a Sci-Fi classic that has stood the test of time!!!
watch Forbidden Planet!! it's over fifty years old, and the SFX still look awesome for a film of that era!!! When I first saw Aliens it was a fantastic film!! and by modern standards no,it does not look too clever now!!...Mind you if they re-rendered Aliens using CGI or 3D would it really add anything to the movie???

Game_Over_Man
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012It is what it is - STILL A LEGENDARY MOVIE!
We're spoilt today, that's our problem, and life before cgi doesn't exist for many.
Truth is, on the contrary, the film HAS aged well. I don't even think the backscreen stuff is a problem. Everything retains the aesthetic of future industry, the drama of the piece is still intense, the characterisation excellent. It still looks like a big-screen movie that can entertain audiences for year. I argue that Avatar will probably date more visibly than Aliens, because of it's very dependence on a technology that is being refined by the hour.
Personally Alien remains my favourite, but Aliens still gives me the chills and thrills too...when the sentries run out of ammo lol how I wish they had more!!!

alteredstate.
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012im not so sure we are spoilt today i haven't seen a true sc fi classic in years depending on what rocks your boat i never liked any of the matrix films and i'm struggling to think of a genuine classic in the scfi genre .
Am i supposed to like transformers.
pitch black
The Chronicles of Riddick ?
battlefield LA
SKYLINE
i dont count super hero films i think they are their own genre.
the best sc fi in recent years has been on the small screen bsg , finge etc
the last star trek was enjoyable but im struggling
cowboys and aliens haven't seen yet.
Although sunshine wasn't bad .
wall-eeeee
terminator salvation was ok
solaris was good but a remake.
the day the earth stood still the original was better.

Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012yeah the big problem today is that everyone is so entrenched in a world of action and instant gratification. We all want everything "NOW". Movies tend to over do the action, the story sucks, the cgi is overdone, movies rip off from other movies, every scene is spoiled through the trailers so that movie studios can draw in an audiences easier, audiences are always comparing one movie to another, studios are too afraid to produce anything original due to budget constraints and financial risks. Movies just don't leave an impact as they once did. Film studios and filmmakers alone are looking to just please the audiences and make films that will bring in a large profit. Nothing is just "story" anymore. Its all about pathetic and overdone cgi and action. Everyone goes to the movies to be entertained but nowadays its like their spoon feeding us rushed and overdone crap. They put everything in the trailer just so we can spend our money and increase their profits.
A good director knows that they have to fight for their vision. They can't just let studios walk all over them just to get what they want. Film studios don't care about the creative content of a film, they just want things in a film that they know will draw in an audience. What a good director knows is that he will have to fight for his vision in order to convince the film studios to up the budget and thus giving the director more room to expand his vision. It seems like either directors nowadays either depend on too much cgi or they just want to remain "friends" with the studios thus giving the studio the opportunity to take advantage of whomever may make the film.
In the end I feel like over 60 percent of the films we get nowadays are done in small amounts of time, rushed out the door and milked dry for advertisement purposes. Very few films, if any leave a lasting impact anymore. Originality has been thrown out the window for cash and cgi is overdone pathetically to the point where we have just accepted it. What happen to miniatures. What happened to "REAL". Is everything just going to be done in cgi one day? I really don't know. All I know is that film itself has taken a turn for the worst and the biggest problem is, it doesn't seem to be getting better anytime soon.
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Game_Over_Man
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012I was referring to the technology used in films opposed to the sci-fi genre.

Rick
MemberXenomorph02/1/2012I'm not going for the whole spoiled thing either but movies do age. Just think on another 20-30 years from now how dated Avatar and Prometheus will look when we have interactive hologram movies with multiple endings based on critical key decision points throughout the movie. Or hell in 50 years we can go in and get lojacked in the cerebelleum like in Schwarzenneger and live out a fantasy movie.

alteredstate.
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012moon was the best of the bunch and it was made with traditional techniques.

db
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012PS. What truly attracted me to the ALIEN franchise, wasn't so much the life & times of the xenon (though very cool)... it was the story of Ridley, I mean Ripley. There will never be another like her. As long as she was in the franchise (I liked her human version better, no offense RC8), I was a fan... But movies take awhile to make and people grow older... The continuity suffers... Just ask Newt.

Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorph02/1/2012lol its cool Db. I'll always be the best clone lol. Hows it going man?
check this out Db:
1st one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oqk4Sm5sHc
2nd one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-bZUYrxloM
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Ender
MemberOvomorph02/2/2012Ahhh..... hadn't seen those deleted AR scenes, thanks Ripley Clone 8. I forgot how much I liked Resurrection, Sigourney was brilliant in that film.
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