Darker Side of Procreation

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EGR101

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Another great posting from AVP Galaxy regarding the sexual themes in ALIEN: "...actually they have done just that thing several times. not to mention the writer of the story has said...to paraphrase because im too lazy after lunch to copy paste the exact quote "this is a film about interspecies rape and taps into the male's fear of being orally raped" dan o bannon also recommended giger for the art direction exactly for that reason. to say that there is nothing backing up my claim is to deny pretty much the entire film. lol for a few things just off the bat the ship is called "mother" and the smaller ship detaches from the "umbilicus" thats not counting the womb-like space jockey chamber and round womb-like area with an almost identical single person room in the "mother" console room. then theres the inside of the ship being womb-like with soft flesh tones and no sharp edges and a nice humming sound as opposed to the ship's innards which were cold, sharp and filled with threatening sounds. then theres the facehugger, a play on a doctor's hands grabbing a baby's head as it leaves a womb, another birth trauma point. the alien's feminine body and penile head are so obvious they dont even need mentioning... when ash tries to mimic the facehugger by shoving a magazine down ripley's throat she grabs at something that mimics one of those toy-dangly-things in a crib. the magazine is also a porno. when the crew awaken from a womb-like room they are all wearing diapers... the vaginal entrances to the derelict ship... the xenomorph makes sounds that are eerily similar to a baby crying. the entire film was meant to be cerebral and get in people's heads. no good director or producer explains every detail of their film, any successful work of art leaves itself intentionally vague to allow people to color in the lines of how they see it, but these are all things that work in tandem regardless of interpretation. im actually getting bored of typing but the list goes on and on. i agree that alot of things can be speculated on as far as the film goes, which is why i enjoy it but thats all me just stating the obvious sets and motif of the film. theres more going on as far as a religious undertone but im thats quite possibly just a coincidence and im still 'collating' about my thoughts on it. the alien was the son of the cain, which was a name chosen specifically, as well as the fact that cain was played by a man best known for his role as a drag queen in a film that was recently released before alien. also an intentional move by the director to tap into the sexual designs of the homosexual alien rape thing going on. i could go on but im pretty sure its pointless... it certainly was not a by the numbers haunted house space film although it does have the appearance of one. sorry for being sarcastic, i write long winded things and then get "NUH-UH" as a reply and i dont even see the point in a response at all. you have my attention, feel free to do something interesting with it. im all eyes. haha..."
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Fingolfin
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Dito...that's all I have to say
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Cypher
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@Engr101 NUHHHHHH-UHHHHHHHH :-P just to make it consistant :-D But to be honest I find wisdom in your words :-P I always thought the Space Jockey room looked like a dead womb. That was the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw Alien the first time and the camera pulls back to reveal the room, which is a little weird considering I was only 10 at the time.....
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Well that's just the thing isn't it...It's whatever "pop's" into the viewers head...that's what Ridley seems to be all about (whether he be 10 or 100)
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I also tended to think the Space Jockey was a good guy that had fallen foul of the Alien, basically just in the wrong place at the wrong time and was in that "gunner's seat" to fend them or something similar off.... But apparently not.......
[url=http://www.robocopmovie.net/][img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewRoboBanner.jpg[/img][/url] "Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."
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Well i find this a bit like people who did wrote books about a paint and then we discover , years later , that the paint was about something else ( ex . Guernica of Picasso ). You can see that things ....i personally dont see that things ... sexual references are very present in Giger's Art ( i think mainly for commercial reasons ) and are thinnered down in Alien ... a womb can be seen everywhere . The problems are the critics ( that are a bit like the geeks ) ...they have to write alot so they build skyscrapers on absolutely nothing . I think all the whole sexual references in Aliens is very subjective and absolutely not objective .
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There is an intentional birth/procreation/sexual undertone in ALIEN, that's for sure. But from the dodginess of the filmmakers ("There is no Xenomorph in the new movie", "It's a prequel" "It's NOT a prequel"), you could sense maybe the new movie shies away from the whole sexual imagery and focus straight into a bigger story from different angles: Earth as a backwater planet for breeding slaves (!), inter-planetary conflict, corporatism, human greed etc. along the lines of James Cameron's ALIENS & AVATAR.
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@Cypher...."I also tended to think the Space Jockey was a good guy that had fallen foul of the Alien"...................The poor shmuck was carrying around brutally hostile, parasitic prganisms that eviscerate living things on site........what about that makes him a good guy? :)
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liked the hugger on face similar to hand on childs head at birth. will have to look at the scene where ripley grabs at toy when she's being choked by ash. yeah, plenty of sexual themes and representations visually and subconsciously i enjoyed your observations.
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i loved listening to veronica cartwright on the beast within documentary where shes saying their were all these penises and vaginas everywhere and she looks so bewilded by gigers designs she cracks me up every time i watch it. She was considered originally for the ripley role that would of been interesting but i think they made the right choice in the end.
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@alteredstate Veronica Cartwright portrayed Lambert very well as a nervous person who becomes more frightened as the film goes on. I couldn't imagine her playing the Ripley role as depite her being a great actress she is a tiny scrawny little thing.
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@ milos. rapace is a tiny scrawny thing as well but ridley's said a number of times her performance is magnificent. Did you see veronica in invasion of the body snatchers, and the witches of eastwick, she was also in hitchcock's the birds she's very versatile. For me her performance in alien was really great she played the paranoid nervous wreck to a tee.
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Never, ever made the connection between the SJ room and the Mother interface room! If you have more of these 101, I'd sure like to hear them.

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