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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:12 PMThe storylines of the science fiction film franchises Alien and Predator have been merged into a single continuity by the release of the films Alien vs. Predator (2004) and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007). The following is a fictional timeline of events as they unfold in both film series.
2996 BC The Predators arrive on Earth. They teach humans to build pyramids, and are worshipped as gods.
October 10th 2896 BC The Predators return to Earth and begin a hunting ritual in which several humans sacrifice themselves as hosts for Aliens so that the Predators may hunt them as a rite of passage. This ritual continues every hundred years on the 10th of October. The Predators activate their self-destruct mechanisms if overwhelmed by the Aliens, which causes the destruction of some early human civilizations.
Early 18th Century AD One or more Predators visit Earth. Details of the events are unknown, but a Flintlock pistol bearing the inscription "Raphael Adolini 1715" is taken from this era.
1987 AD A Predator lands in Central America and hunts a U.S. Special Forces unit, but is defeated by Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer.
1997 AD A Predator lands in Los Angeles and begins hunting gang members and policemen involved in a drug war, but is defeated by Lieutenant Michael Harrigan.
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004 AD A Predator ship nears Earth, initiating a heat bloom beneath Bouvet Island near Antarctica which is detected by satellites belonging to Weyland Industries.
Sunday, October 10th, 2004 AD A Weyland Industries team led by company head Charles Bishop Weyland discovers a pyramid beneath Bouvet Island, where they are caught in a battle between the Predators and Aliens. Alexa Woods is the only survivor. As the Predator ship departs, an Alien/Predator hybrid creature erupts from the body of a dead Predator.
Thursday, October 14th, 2004 AD The hybrid creature attacks the Predators on board the ship, causing it to crash outside of Gunnison, Colorado. Several facehuggers and the hybrid creature escape, invading the town and creating more Aliens. A lone Predator arrives and fights the Aliens in a battle that ends with the United States government destroying the town with nuclear weapons. A recovered Predator shoulder cannon is delivered to a woman identified as "Ms. Yutani".
2010 AD A mercenary named Royce, alongside 7 other humans are dropped in a game preserve planet by the "Super Predators". They are being hunted by the Predators, being killed off one by one. They would later met a U.S. cavalry soldier named Noland who survived in the planet for years. All 3 Super Predators are killed in the end. Predators
2122 AD The passengers of the deep space mining ship Nostromo, under contract to Weyland-Yutani, are awakened from hypersleep to investigate a signal coming from the moon LV-426. There, one of the crewmembers encounters Alien eggs and a facehugger attaches itself to him. The resulting Alien kills off the crew members until it is defeated by Ellen Ripley.
2179 AD Ripley accompanies a group of United States Colonial Marines aboard the Sulaco to investigate LV-426, after Weyland-Yutani loses contact with a terraforming colony there. They discover that Aliens have overrun the colony and encounter an Alien queen. Ripley, Corporal Dwayne Hicks and the sole surviving colonist, a young girl named Rebecca "Newt" Jorden, are the only survivors after the colony's atmosphere processing station explodes, and enter hypersleep for the return trip to Earth.
2179 AD Several Alien eggs are on board the Sulaco and hatch while Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are in hypersleep. A fire breaks out and the hypersleep pods are ejected in an escape vessel, which crashes on Fiorina 161. Ripley is the only survivor is rescued by the inmates of an all-male prison facility. A facehugger is also aboard the escape vehicle, and an Alien soon attacks the prisoners. Ripley learns that she has an Alien queen gestating inside her, and after defeating the Alien she commits suicide to prevent the Weyland-Yutani corporation from obtaining it.
2356 AD Samples of Ripley's blood are recovered from Fiorina 161.
2379 AD The United Systems Military (USM) clones Ripley aboard the USM Auriga and extracts the Alien queen from her. The Ripley clone shares part of the queen's DNA and has Alien-like abilities.
2381 AD The USM breeds Aliens on board the Auriga for experimentation, which break out and overtake the ship. Ripley and several mercenaries escape while the ship crashes into Earth, destroying the Aliens with it.
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:22 PM[quote]Sunday, October 10th, 2004 AD A Weyland Industries team led by company head Charles Bishop Weyland discovers a pyramid beneath Bouvet Island, where they are caught in a battle between the Predators and Aliens. Alexa Woods is the only survivor. As the Predator ship departs, an Alien/Predator hybrid creature erupts from the body of a dead Predator.[/quote]
@Snorky
If that's the case, then at least 175 years later in 2179 there's no way Weyland is an old man sitting in a wheelchair on board a wing of the prometheus !!!

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 1:27 PMSeems fine to me except two things...
1. I don't think the date of of the events that happened to the ancient civilization in Antarctica was ever inferred.
2. The same goes for the samples of Ripley's Blood, and thus DNA recovered from Fiorina 161. I've always assumed the W-Y team present in 2179 acquired them before shutting down the prison.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:30 PMstill Snorky...
How could he be the age we are assuming he is on board Prometheus...he'd have been a tadpole at that time if that, not even yet a simple thought in the brain of nor caress on the thigh or brush with the loins of his mother?

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 1:31 PMOld man in wheelchair...
I think people are assuming that Peter Weyland is the old man, not Charles Weyland, and I thought Prometheus was set around 30 years before Alien. The year 2085 has been batted around, if the info we've been given about Peter Weyland is right (born at the turn of the century) then he could be the old man, he would be in his eighties.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:32 PMaaaaaahhhh, now that's explains a lot...and Like I said from the get go, it could not be the original Weyland, had to be an offspring, thanks very much Snorky, I think that makes far far more sense.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 1:39 PMyeah think you got confused there Sparky, everyones been talking about Peter, you thought they was talking about Charles...
Silly Sparky LOL

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:43 PMalso Snorky,
2179 = The Events of The Eight Passenger
2356 = The Events Of Ripley's DNA Blood Samples being collected.{They sent a team back to Fiorina 161 to collect them}.
2379 = The Events of The Resurrection.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:44 PM[quote]Staff
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yeah think you got confused there Sparky, everyones been talking about Peter, you thought they was talking about Charles...
Silly Sparky LOL[/quote]
LMFAO

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 1:49 PM2356 - Source?
I've never heard of that one Sparky, wouldn't the team acquired them in 2179, knowing she had been treated by Clemens.
Remember - Prometheus is set 30 years before Alien, allegedly 2085. Peter Weyland = Guy Pearce, Charles Weyland = Lance Henriksen.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 1:55 PM[url=http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/271371.Alien_Resurrection_Script_Book]ScriptBook[/url]
[quote]2356:DNA samples belonging to EllenRipley who died on Fiorina 161 some 177 yearsearlier are re-discovered by the United SystemMilitary[/quote]
@Snorky
The above is a direct quote from the script book for "Alien Resurrection" !!!

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 2:01 PMOrite, but it's not actually in the film though, thus I wouldn't class it in the list.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:03 PMI do NOT think anyone ever mentions the year/exact date/time etc that they took them in the film at all...but it is in fact a statement which is coming driectly right out of that films script book so for me it is an Alien Franchise Fact now.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 2:09 PMI stick to the info from the films themselves, scripts change and not everything scripted makes it in the film. IMO the only canon, the only facts are the films.

CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:14 PMI still think that Prometheus is going to reboot some of the canon in the current Alien franchise. If most people are going to see this as unacceptable, then they can hope that Prometheus starts its own universe, consisting chronologically as Prometheus and Alien.
Nice effort on the timeline, though. (:

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 2:19 PMStrange statement when the TED 2023 video and the site it links to cite references to AVP and Aliens

Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:23 PMI agree Snorky. The Theatrical Cuts of all the films within the Alien franchise are the definitive canonical versions. Of course you have the directors cut of Aliens which Cameron says is "The ride he intended us to take." But the Theatrical versions were the final cuts that the audiences saw in the theaters. Alien 3 has the assembly which is a different film in a sense. The Alien comes from an Ox and not a Dog. But everyone refers to the alien in Alien 3 as the "Dog Alien" not the "Ox Alien". So i agree with you Snorky. Whatever makes it into the final cut is THE definitive version. What people end up seeing in the theaters and at home on their movie screens is the DEFINITIVE version of the script.
Look at Ridley Scott's Alien. In his director's cut the Alien life cycle is different. The Alien cocoons its victims and then they begin to evolve into an egg. If that were the definitive version the Alien queen would of not even been a part of the franchise.
I love both the Theatrical, Director's and Assembly cuts of the franchise but if your talking canonical terms, the Theatrical cuts are the definitive version, as they were the final cut to make it into theaters and to audiences.
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:29 PM Posted Mar-02-2012 2:09 PM
I stick to the info from the films themselves, scripts change and not everything scripted makes it in the film. IMO the only canon, the only facts are the films.
Me Too, always have and have stated as such even today in several other threads and your statement IMO is pure un adulterated DENIAL...with all my love ...Snorky...DENIAL...because the statemeent itself comes from the FILMS SCRIPT, the fact they chose not to use that line in no way make it any less viable, and assuming that the samples were collected any other time is ten times worse. The Fact is, the offical publication of the script for that film has that written in it so it is far closer to what I think we shoudl consider as "CANON" material than the year 2179 is.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 2:39 PMDon't get me wrong sparky, I get what you are saying, but as RC8 and yourself (just then) stated the films and only the films are "CANON". Although this info was in a script it never made it to film thus, by that very nature it isn't "CANON", same as the colonists entering the derelict in 2179 (James Camerons first draft screenplay) is not "CANON". All we can infer is that at some undisclosed point between 2179 and 2381 samples of Ripleys blood were obtained.
The reason I inferred 2179 was logic... at the end of Alien 3 we are told that the prison was closed and that everything was sold for scrap. Thus one could presume that as they were stripping the prison clean they came across Ripleys blood samples in the infirmary and placed them on ice.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:42 PMI agree no worries, just think if they had taken samples right then while we were watching we would have known about it and not seen them all leaving instead before tjhis ever happens. so...that said...BOTH DATES would be equally invalid...no...?...

CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:43 PMI do agree with you guys' statements about the official releases of the movies being canon. Whatever extras we get, be they directors' cuts or assembly cuts, are mere bonuses, as cool as they are.
Imagine if one of the unused drafts of Alien 3 was canon. I'm talking about the script which dictates that Alien 3 would be set on a planet where monks live, residing in wooden temples of sorts, and Ripley experiences hallucinations of the alien taunting her (like holding Newt's head and shaking it to her). Wicked stuff that, today, would be awesome, but I guess at the time they didn't think it was adequate for a movie. ):

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 2:46 PM[quote]I still think that Prometheus is going to reboot some of the canon in the current Alien franchise. If most people are going to see this as unacceptable, then they can hope that Prometheus starts its own universe, consisting chronologically as Prometheus and Alien.[/quote]
& I like this idea a Lot CD55811

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 2:48 PMBoth dates or any other I think the best way to word it would be...
2381 (I don't get the two year gap) - Using samples of Ripleys blood the USM, after seven previous attempts, successfully clone Ripley... Blah, blah, blah...
Regards the rebooting of the CANON... do not ignore that the TED 2023, if referred to in Prometheus will be classed as CANON, and it refers to AVP and Aliens.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 3:03 PMTru dat. To tell ya the truth for me it;s nothing more than a marketing ploy by Scott to garner interest and support and I have absolutely NO FAITH what so ever in any of it being any part or related in any way to the film.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-02-2012 3:06 PMWe will find out in, what, three months now. You're probably right unless we see one of the crew watching it?

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 3:08 PMlmao...yeeeaaaa "that would be somethin'"-spoken Like Sir Paul McCartney

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 5:56 PMWhile I can't recall where I read it, and I'll try to find it........It's my understanding that the "Director's Cut" of 'Alien' was Fox asking Scott to rework it for the re-release and is not really a director's cut, not his vision, so to speak.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 8:19 AMOk...as "Snorklebottom" requested of me I took the time and examined the entire timline {made this thread first on Friday} of the Alien/AVP Universe for the sole purpose of determining if this whole thing works and what level if any integrity it could maintain in being depicted as such in Prometheus.
My answer for those of you who do not want to read what I discovered and just get to the conslusions is IT CANNOT WORK. But NOT AT ALL for the reasons I thought it could not work.
Snorklebottom is RIGHT, the timline they made does in fact make senseand could have worked for the pupose of what we are discussing, but sadly because of FOX's obvious greed and what I like to call "Rush To Stupidity" or "RTS" factor if you will. There are also one or two startleing revelations I uncovered.
#1- We will know very quickly into the first section of the film Prometheus whether or not the AVP universe has or will continue to have any credibility what so ever. The reason is the "RTS" factor here by FOX. In the first film these {insert your own expletive here} attacked full bang on and without talking to Ridley Scott at all, the central theme of the "Ancient Astronaut" theory by having Chalres Bishop Weyland unveil the discovery of a Pyramid 200 feet below an abandoned whaling station in Antartica. Thus now, if the CLUE TO MANKIND's ORIGIN...does NOT INVOLVE the SAME Pyramid...EVERYTHING IN THE AVP FILMS...BOTH OF THEM...BECOMES INSTANTLY INVALID in the Ridley Scott intended Nostromo Universe.
#2-"Alien Versus Predator" {watchng it again all these years later} is in fact a well crafted, fast moving, intersting and engadging, completely entertaining film to watch.
#3- "Aliens Versus Predator - Requiem" is a Disgrace !
#4-Back to Alien Versus Predator-> If The Clue does not involve the Pyramid, It is a direct message from Ridley Scott to every single Alien Fan Out there that the AVP iniverse is Invalid but also to the suits at FOX that he does not aknowledge any of it.
It's Ridley saying you out the character of Charles Bishop Weyland in it and messsed with it's timeline, the timline Bishop was in, so now I have to make a decision whether to aknowledge it or not. If he ignores it, it invalidates everything in both films. he has been forced by FOX now to play his hand in that regard. The subject matter of the two films revolves around the Ancient Astonaut" theory, which FOX has now turned into something completely different...that is...that the Space Jockey...does not come from the race of Aliens that originaly may have influenced Earth cuklture but rather FOX's "Predator" does. Big huge frikking oversight born out of greed by the suits at FOX IMO.
Got a lot more but wil post it during lunch...Watch Out I took a lot of notes on this and I got this thing Pegged."

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 11:14 AMyou there Snorky your icon is there on the bottom...check it out man...I got lots for you bro...gonna fill the rest in at lunch
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