Alien vs Aliens

Exactly what I'm hoping for alteredstate

[quote]people, people... Planet of the vampires...[/quote] LOL Snork :-P I'm going to put my 2 cents in here......... Alien is great. Still makes me think even to this day. Aliens was good for a scary sci-fi action romp, but I didn't like that the Aliens were relegated to intergalactic ants. Alien 3 I'm coming to respect more since David FIncher was basically hamstrung by the studio with where he wanted to go with it from day 1. If he'd been allowed to do what he wanted, I think it had the potential to be as good as the original. Unfortunately, studio suits juat wanted to make sure they made money by sticking to a formula and I hate the CGI alien. It's very very obvious. Alien Desecration tried to be the original with fancy CGI and a ridiculous plot bringing Ripley back from the dead. Even went as far as having the Newborn sucked out the airlock after Ripley's clone threw her acid blood on the airlock window. I mean, fucking seriously? They would have been FAR better off trying to find out where the Derelict came from for a 4th. Ridiculous through and through. *gets popcorn to watch the battle*

I agree craigamore and alteredstate. You know the first 4 films in the franchise are in a way "one string" of the whole encompassing scope of the ALIEN UNIVERSE. We discovered the xenomorph and we got a small hint/glimpse at where they may of came from. There's just so much mystery and unknown to the world of ALIEN. The first 4 films are simply "Ripley's" story. But thats only her story. We could find other stories to investigate. Different characters to explore and even like Alteredstate said. We could definitely find out more about the Space jockeys, the Alien origins, the Weyland-Yutani Corporate cover-up and the other bio-weapons that the Space Jockey's created and even different locations. GOD I just excite myself thinking about it lol. There's just SOOOO much. Its just immense and the story of ALIEN is intensely robust and full of excitement. There's just so many directions the series could go. You know I really hope Prometheus isn't the end. We as fans have waited so long for a sequel or prequel. We've had to solider through all this AVP and Predator garbage but now we finally got something. After 33 years of pondering the Alien origins and after 15 years of waiting for a follow up we definitely deserve it and I can't wait!

Heyyyyyyy I like Predator, Predator 2 and Predators as their own series :-P Avp and that other thing were just fucking retarded :-D

right on rc8 the game has just begun.

Totally agree Cypher! Predator is its own standalone franchise and I enjoy it but from what I ment is, we as fans have been waiting the longest for an Alien film of any kind. We've just kind of just had to sit back and watch as studios fuck up and wait for them to learn their lesson. I mean it took them 2 AVP films to fuck up and decide that they would rather go back to the original Alien and Predator franchises. Predators by the way was really good. I enjoyed that movie. But its just ridiculous how money thirsty these studios can be and how stupid they can be by doing it.

Well said on that last post Ripley Clone 8

Hear, hear! I'm sure that if they had some originality in these things they would make a BUTTLOAD more money! Because there are actually a lot of intelligent people out there that would happily fork over money for a good story as well as explosions and boobies! In short, I would pay for a well crafted movie experience.

Oh and craigamore I agree with you regarding Die Hard ;-)

Exactly Cypher....greatest action film EVER.............

I don't think there has been a bad Die Hard movie yet. The 5th looks interesting too :-D just hope it stays true to the series so far!

Zim: That took some serious balls. Starting something like that on here is like... Well... "starting something like that on here." Craigamore: absolutely brilliant arguments for defending your point of view. Snork: lmaorof! Everyone else: thanks for playing nice. This kind of post can get ugly fast. Glad to see this place is a class act!... (thanks BH!) PS. RC8, I think you and I may be the closest in thought on this one. All 4 films belong in the alien universe and I like the way you gave them each a specific purpose in the overall story. Now... Let's see in 89 days how they all began!

Wow...I had no idea there was a 5th......shows how much I've been obsessed about 'Prometheus'.

Thanks db...I try

It's being filmed at the moment, only just started too, I think it's going around the world this time ;-)

Mind is blown....wasn't sure that had any legs left...guess I'm wrong.

I'm also gonna' throw in my 2 cents about the studio shirts whom we all seem to equally despise... 2 of my former students stopped by my (teaching) studio recently. One is successful in the Indy market and has recently produced a cool little web series under consideration from some decent TV media outlets. The other optioned out of being the youngest Dev. Exec. of a major studio after 3 years to go back to writing. It should be noted that neither of them are older than 30. The later young man told me yesterday that he returned to writing because he was tired of the sub-par ideas he's been privy to in development these last few years. I think this speaks volumes. If major studios are receiving say, 3000 scripts a year and are only buying say, 100... And are only actually making say, 10... That should tell you something. There's apparently a lot of crap floating around LA. Personally, I've read some stories from you guys that would rival some of the best stuff that 's coming up from Hollywood. Remember, it's a lot cheaper for them to run an established franchise into the ground than try and create something fresh... Damn the torpedoes... And the fans.

One more thing invaderzim42...as to this..."as for the airlock thing, yes its a little ridicules, but does not bother me at all, i can suspend my disbelief for that, and if you are really complaining about that, then why not also complain about where is the gravity coming from in the nostromo? because that's just a ridicules thing to complain about, who cares?" There are two entirely different logic paths being followed here...and there's no substantive basis for comparison. First, In 'Alien', gravity generation on the Nostromo is an assumed technology that has no further bearing on the plot of the story other than the fact that it obviously exists. The concept of gravity generation bends the physical rules as we currently understand them, but does not break them as it unprovable as to whether it is plausible or not. Second, the moment a film allows its audience to break its suspension of disbelief it loses credibilty. This is even more dangerous in science fiction, where audiencies are being asked to take a leap to begin with. The climax of 'Aliens' with its airlock miracle of Ripley pulling herself out is, as you admit, a little ridiculous. In this case, rules of physics are not simply bent, they're shattered. SSgt Fett argued that, "not knowing the cubic feet of cargo space along with still open hatches they could have easily had a few minutes until all the air vacated the cargo hold into space." No amount of oxygen on a ship of any size would be a large enough quantity to fight the immense force of the vacuum of the entire void of space, which is immeasurable by the way. The kind of force that vaccum generates with that kind of size behind it does not allow for such a minute amount of oxygen to last any reasonable length of time greater than a split second - especially considering the size of that freaking airlock - we're not talking about a pinhole here. Physically, the concept is impossible. Instant depressurization in space means no air.....all gone, just like that.............all that being said, this is no minor oversight. It is so ridiculous as to cheapen the entire film.....as in any other action film when a stunt or explosion appears stupidly over the top or impossible, it gives the audience an excuse to break suspension of that disbelief and it [b][i]should[/i][/b] lose self respecting movie goers at that point. This is the kind of thing that usually makes people roll their eyes and it should. For it to happen in an Alien film is pathetic, especially considering the first film takes the time and effort for its lead to put on a suit so that she won't die in the process of blowing the airlock. As to your last question....I care, because I expect more of my filmmakers. I expect them to respect our intelligence as an audience enough not to ask us to buy impossible moments like that. There's a big difference between stretching what's possible and slapping us in the face with the assumption we're too stupid to care.

a movie does not need to follow reality to be good, have you ever seen Walle? one of my favorite movies ever, and it breaks reality more times then i can count.

Movies don't have to follow accepted reality. They establish their own, but when the reality they establish requires an acceptance of the basic laws of physics, then it [b]must[/b] adhere to the rules it establishes, both intentionally and unintentionally, or else it it loses its credibility. That's an immoveable foundation of sound writing. Writing establishes a story's rules in the course of it being written. The act of writing forces a writer to intentionally formalize the world in which he or she is telling their story. The process of writing also results in the rules being established unintentionally. Good writers are aware of both circumstances; they know when it is appropriate to bend them and that he or she should never break them. The Alien saga assumes in its story telling that its physical universe applies and is bound to the laws of physics as far as they are known to this point. No one can fly, no one can breath in space and no one has magical powers. It is accepted and understood that human beings are as fragile and susceptable in that universe as they are in our own. It also follows that the laws governing matter in it's various forms and their relation to the forces of the vacuum of space are accepted in that universe as in ours. Again, breaking that basic level of understanding about something as simple as the dangers of an open airlock in space is [b][i]INSULTING and OFFENSIVE[/i][/b] to intelligent viewership of the moviegoing public. No, "movies do not need to follow reality to be good," but only in as far as it applies to a movie such as 'Alice In Wonderland' where the point is to defy accepted physical reality rather than to operate within it as the Alien franchise asks us to do at a basic, substantive level.