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MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 3:09 PMHello fellow Alienphiles/promethephiles.
I’ve been lurking this site and thought I might join and make a post. After reading all the thoughts and theories, I suddenly had sort of an out there kind of idea…
Has anyone considered, in terms of the Eggs vs the ampules in the “cargo bay” issue (IE- it seems rather coincidental that the eggs wind up scattered about in much the same visual representation that the ampoules are, and are in what appears to be the same cargo bay, in what appears to be the same derelict ship) that they may be in actuality one in the same?
I’m positing the theory that, with the xeno’s being bio-mechanical in nature, and additionally the going theory that whatever the goo is in the ampules , it apparently converts or mutates whatever it comes into contact with (we’re talking of course about organic matter now from what we know) and transforms it on the DNA/Molecular level(s), could it not be possible, also taking into account Ridley’s original life-cycle angle on actual living organisms (see Dallas and Brett) becoming physical eggs, that , after some time, or damage to the canisters, or some other unknown interference with the storage of them and the goo inside, that the leaky acidy stuff (goo) itself somehow converts the ampule’s case housings and transforms (“mecha-forms”) them into the first alien eggs?
Wild I know, but no one’s pondered it, and my brain likes to imagine things.
Thanks and nice to be here.
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MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 3:54 PMI think your right, in that the ampules are a sort of bio-catalyst that once activated reorganized the host at a genetic level. With so little detail available, one has to view the ampules as a potential delivery mechanism. Since just storing them in such a manner would be unwise and counterproductive to their intent. So to start things off, we have a cavern, with ampules at the base of a carved stone face. My first instinct would be to send in a robotic unit (thanks Dave)... do a full scan and also send in a live organic to test overall conditions.

skyguy1054
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 3:56 PMCasey, The idea has been kicked around that the eggs we saw in ALIEN were a deteriorated (over time) version of the ampules. In fact the thing holding onto David's hand as he lifts it out of the ampule in the Prometheus trailer has four lobes holding ONTO HIM, rather like the four lobes that open to reveal the egg contents in ALIEN.
I, and I suspect others, are with you all the way on that one.
Cheers,
sg1054

IrishAndroid1
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 4:02 PM@skyguy....in seeing David with his hand in the ampule I never saw anything holding onto him. Do you happen to have a good pic or link to one that shows this? Thanks!!

pjr
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 4:02 PMExpanding on this thought a little, maybe it's the same something that makes the derelict more organic looking in Alien, and, like some have theorized, changes the android, David, into flesh and blood.
CantSpaceJockTheRock
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 4:28 PM[img]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4939/straights.jpg[/img]
Here is a close up of David removing the goo and in my opinion the progenitor to the facehugger from the ampoules. It does appear that the thing might be grasping his hands while he pulls it put, look at the closest of the 4 appendages nearest to david himself. It seems to be indenting his skin. Could just be shadows but I don't know.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 4:32 PMI know it could be considered simple minded of me, but what if the eggs are simply inside the ampules?? As a means of transporting them, without a facehugger grabbing everyones faces??

Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 4:32 PMDoes anybody know the source that started calling these ampules? I believe that is what they are nevertheless. So something held inside the four vials is injected into living organisms probably. I don't think this has much relation to a facehugger or egg except it may be designed by the same engineer. It might work like a bee stinger. The claws grab hold and toxins or whatever are injected through channels in the claws.

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MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 5:13 PMTo me, as in another post, the vessels seem to be placed in a very conspicuous spot. Considering the real motive in their placement, I would think they are indeed a "cosmic jack in the box." If I were to (trap and infect) any soul that wandered by, that would be a great area that would not be overlooked.

Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 5:18 PMNow that is interesting! Our narcissism draws us to a statue of ourselves and then WAM! we are infected by toxins. I like that! Kind of like a spider web.
You know what Admiral Akbar would say...
EDIT: More like human flypaper : )

peteyconz
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 5:26 PMis it me or does that yellow skeleton thinggy in the middle of the goo look like a baby version of what is on the body of the spacejockey on the derelect ship in alien????

Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 5:32 PMMy thery on this is that in the star map room it's also like a laboratory and where the creation process starts basically the SJ don's the suit becomes one with the ship places organic material in the sarcofugi (4 of them) I not sure on how the chair mechanism exactly works but the cockpiy raises up into the lab / star map room through a hole which also has giger sexual connotations about it and the creation process begins... All liquids and genetic material atr extracted from within the sarcofugi Blood / water / organs and multiple lifeforms this way can be mixed into another chamber this new soup of organic material is then effectivley mixed and infused by the SJ which sends it down to the ampoules to be formed (like incubation chambers) also the SJ may infuse his own DNA in this process.
This would help explain how the ampoules get corrupted because he has somthing inside him that bursts out his chest probably during this process atleast thats what I am sticking to until more info comes along...

Guest
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 5:51 PMLove your post Casey,
A plausible theory could be that the "engineers" had the DNA of various thousands of lifeforms throughout the galaxy all stored within these ampules and were simply transporting them to their homeworld and through some event crashed on LV-426. Through time the "goo" got meshed up within the metal casings of the ampules and produced a lifeform that resembles a biomechanical being of sorts.
OR
Another thought being and this is going way out there by the way,,,, what if the ampules did somehow become more biological over time and when Kane found the room full of thousands of eggs/ampules in the derelict that the one egg he was in contact with just so happened to have a "facehugger" in it.
In other words the other 9,999 eggs could have held a lifeform with less, lets say, homicidal need to kill all other life! If this is the case, as we hope will be explained somehow in Prometheus, he was extremely unlucky in a room full of various different eggs he ends up approaching the one that had a nasty spider with a tail that just so happens to face rape you and leave you with the worst case of indigestion known to man!!!! Sort of a one in 10,000 chance that could happen, I mean he could have approached an egg with the DNA of Jar Jar Binks! Although I think I'd rather end up with a xeno burst through my ribcage!
Point being your on to something and I am as you can probably tell tell disregarding all canon from Alien onwards! Even Aliens!!!!!
It was Ridleys baby to start with and although Jim did an Ok job on the sequel it's still Ridders who sits on the perch of all things Alien so I feel that this film could leave a lot of people bedazzled and very confused as to to what, why, where and how things go in prometheus!
By the way it took me over an hour to write this as it's officially St. Patricks Day and I'm slightly (hiccup) intoxicated but I love your post!
Ridley for president!

Cylon_Xeno
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 6:11 PMLove your post Casey,
A plausible theory could be that the "engineers" had the DNA of various thousands of lifeforms throughout the galaxy all stored within these ampules and were simply transporting them to their homeworld and through some event crashed on LV-426. Through time the "goo" got meshed up within the metal casings of the ampules and produced a lifeform that resembles a biomechanical being of sorts.
OR
Another thought being and this is going way out there by the way,,,, what if the ampules did somehow become more biological over time and when Kane found the room full of thousands of eggs/ampules in the derelict that the one egg he was in contact with just so happened to have a "facehugger" in it.
In other words thousands of different species DNA could have been contained within each ampule/egg and poor unfortunate Kane just happened to come into contact with the most homicidal of them all!
This would then lead 'Alien' off as a single branch of a hugely exploritive tree of life in a universe that Ridley Scott created. I know this would then completely destroy all canon from 'Alien' onwards, including Jims sequel, but hey, it was Ridleys baby to start with!

Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 6:31 PMThe Ampoules would crack when the gooey lobe inards incubation substance is infused...I think the Ampoules are made of clay.... There are many references throughout history of mankind being created from clay... I think you can expect to see alot of these crack and break to make way for the inards to take form
Do you think the base of the thing david is putting his hand into looks made of clay?
It's an Ampoule with it's top part cut off?

Shilliam Watner
MemberOvomorphMar-16-2012 9:27 PMWell I read a portion of the draft that someone claimed was the real deal on another website. There was a thread about it here. The whole website went down after the draft was discovered on it. According to what I read those 4 claw appendages can be explained. They are part of the white parasite worm that we saw earlier in a pic. What I mean is that ther is a gif that shows Shaw on a clear lab table with a white parasite on her stomach. In the draft, the engineer had placed the parasite worm on her stomach and to get it off he thumped it with a blue charge that made it release from her body. In the draft it released it's 4 claws from her stomach area and shrunk up into a small ball and the engineer placed it in the ampule and covered the top of the ampule with a membrane that sealed the balled up parasite worm inside. So when I see David pulling that thing out the ample with the 4 claw appendages, it is whats left of the worm. In the draft it states that after the engineer takes the parasite off Shaw's stomach and puts it in the ampule, there is a visible hole left in Shaw's stomach area where the white parasite was and the engineer reaches in the hole and pulls out a silver metal rod that he also puts in the ampule before he seals it. That's what I take from the draft is what happens. It's a logical explanation. In the draft it states that in the next scene there are countless suspended male and female nude "BLANKS" in crystal sarcophagus's in another chamber room next to the lab chamber. I believe that draft to be correct and that prometheus.net website went down after the draft was discovered last night. I think a few posters saved it for the short time it was up.
Shilliam Watner
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