The fails of the ancient astronaut theory

I have one easy answer why it fails. Simply that they are pumped ad naseum by guys like this..... [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6uv27cqqa1qaauhwo1_500.jpg[/img] Good grief.... Poor G'Kar is turning in his grave. LONDO MOLARRI still lives!! Seriously, that Weirdo Hairdo guy frightens me !!

VERY good example.. ;) [i]we dont know how the ancient build the great pyramid.ergo, aliens must have build it.[/i] lolz once more, anyone can [i]believe[/i] what he wants, but this stuff is not true.

While I agree, Kane, to me the ancient astronaut theory is rubbish when it is held up to the candle that is modern science. Rightfully so, it belongs in the movies. But you must admit, it DOES make for one hell of a screenplay. Especially in the hands of those like Scott, Giger, and Lindelhof. We are not pursuing fact, or non-fiction here. The topic is pure fiction, where the ancient astronauts fit in quite well.

no prob with fiction or science stimulation..Prometheus will be THE movie, stargate is nice, too in that. But do you know how many misinformed and uneducated people got seriously brainfu**ed ? some people take over Jedi as a real religion..

I have to admit that I dont really mind the Ancient Astronaut type of idea, if this is where this movie is going. But geez, this movie would probably seem like pornography to a guy like the Weirdo Hairdo guy. Wouldn't it be hillarious if he later starts using this MOVIE as PROOF that he is correct with his theories. He will probably claim that Ridley Scott is in fact the direct descendant of and A.A. and that the movie contains hidden visual clues that he will spend the remainder of his life trying to decipher. PS: Why on earth is a ridiculous program like that on the "HISTORY" Channel ???

@CanadaPhil, I could see people building RS shrines, going on pilgrimages to the real-world filming locations, hopping in barrels to go over the Dettifoss convinced that it's a portal to Zeta Reticuli or something.

jones......you mean like the pilgrimages people take to 'Middle Earth' in NEW ZEALAND...

@Canada exactly that is going on at ATS right now, there are kids that are quoting this a real proof.. Yeah on history channel, there you go..imagine it 50 years later.. there was a critical answer right about this to Ridley when the new trailer was released..he was stunned.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610TmUyGwJ8 about 18.00..

I am an ancient alien proponent, but I have to admit that Weirdo Hairdo guy isn't exactly helping to put a serious face on the theories. As for the notion of scientific proof, there doesn't appear to be any conclusive proof either way, so it does come down to belief. However, we do have the physical evidence of, for example, certain ancient structures that engineering experts today still don't know how the materials were transported, carved and placed together. It's not proof of ancient aliens, but that we don't know how to replicate the stuff with our modern technology does provide reasonable fuel to the debate. As for being anti-christian. I find it bizarre that folks can believe in God and the visitation of the son of God via the virgin birth, without any shred of scientific proof whatsoever and NOT also believe in ancient aliens. As an ancient alien proponent I do believe in Jesus, in so much as I believe there was some person, human or otherwise, walking around Israel 2000 or so years ago, having a profound effect on the people. But I am anti-religion in that I believe the church is a construct of man with a mandate of power and control over fearful, faithful, but ignorant people. Whatever message(s) were intended by Jesus have totally been corrupted over the long years. Ancient aliens existed. There is more evidence to suggest they existed than not; and that there is no irrefutable proof of their existence, does not prove they didn't exist. But weirdo hairdo guy's image isn't helping. Shame.

[b]No one knows our origins or if there is a God[/b] I would like to take a logical and reasonable approach to this. I am an agnostic, which means I am neutral when it comes to the existance of God. How can anyone say there is a God(gods) or not? How do you know that there is or not? The truth is, that no one knows the truth. I was an atheist, but when I figured out that who was I do say whether god exists or not, I turned agnostic. I was also turned off by the arrogance and obnoxiuousness of some atheists. Who says that God isn't an alien? What is God? Why do people believe in a super natural being, yet think that aliens don't exist? The term "God" has been manipulated and twisted over thousands of years to fit the culture's convience. God is what you want it to be. Regardless of God is real or man made, it has certainly a man made element of claimng to know what God is without evidence. I think that it's possible that God is an alien or that mankind was seeded here. It's no more extordinary sounding than a super natural being in another relm creating the universe. Or we evolved from apes or another primate over millions of years and God created nature. Or There is no god and this is all chance, which would be just as extrodinary as if God created us. I agree that the guy's hair in the pic doesn't help his cause, but those of you who just stereotype people for the way someone looks, you should start learning some life lessons. Those of you who are going to be ignorant and obnoxious by jumping to conclusions, being easily offended, and relying souly on stereotypes, it's time to grow up.

what Christ was or not is up to believe, but what the church has made of it is another thing, I believe he was real and an important evolutional event. archeology is very interesting and there will be important findings in future I guess. The most stunning thing I read last year was about the building and porpose of the great pyramid as beeing a giant water pump with matching findings..and no aliens necessary ;) I also can imagine taht people 12000 years ago (or much earlier) could have had special psychic powers that we dont have any more for moving 20 ton stones..well..

I think we don't give older and/or primitive cultures enough respect for their ingenuity. I mean, we can't even seem to recreate how some old painters constructed their oil paintings, let alone how pyramids were built. And never underestimate our ability to overestimate our so called experts. Our biases and preconceptions often keep us from seeing possibilities, no matter how intelligent or observant we are.

@W you can believe ( or not belive ) what you want, as anyone, whose picture is of course influenced ( or build) by personal experiences. I , personally, am not a believer of a religious system like catholic, protestant, pagan or creationism either, even I was raised a protestant. But there is history. Do you really think that the hierarchy is just another fairytale? Spiritual beeings are real. Aliens are a theory, mostly made up by agencies. Most alien/ abduction reports are of real [i]demonic[/i] character as a fact. And do we know, what secret high tech weapons/ ships our secret, multi Billion-Dollar black OP-manufacturers produce?

Yes, I would like to believe that we have lost certain 'mental' powers; after all how is it we evolved with such large brains that we don't use much of - seems counter-evolutionary, unless I'm missing something... ancient alien DNA manipulation, for instance.

@Biehn paintings are made by hand with technique and real inspiration. Michelangelo was a great mason and architect, too. Pyramids, well, I guess the great one or other sites are still up to be fully explained, the smaller ones are no secret. Yeah, right those AAT´s believers argue basically with [i]underdeveloped[/i] ancient cultures. Very nice. @Bien why necessarily [i]alien[/i], define [i]alien[/i]. maybe just higher spirits, evolutional? This is [i]plausible[/i] and [i]likeley[/i].

@ Jones & Craigmore... Hahahah... I hope not. At lot of this was shot on sound stages in my hometown Toronto apparently. But, as goofy as it sounds... There ARE in fact people like that who for lack of a better purpose, latch on to some fictional idea as if it is their new religion. Frightening really.

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@Kane77 Yes, and those painting techniques are as complex in their own way as building a structure with primitive tools. And the proper application of technique has allowed those paintings to last for centuries. But to artists today, much of those techniques are referred to as "secrets of the Old Masters." Lost knowledge. So if modern man can't even replicate that, how could we ever understand how the ancients created the Pyramids with their primitive tools? But here's a hint: the knowledge of the Old Masters isn't lost at all. We do have enough information to be able to recreate their results. But alot of people in the art world, for some reason, don't want to believe or they deny the evidence that is in front of them. Those biases and preconceptions I was talking about. Maybe it's the same with the pyramids and such.

I am with HICKS148 on this all the way. Dead on my feeling exactly. Well done.

@Bien I am a painter myself ( no comparison ;) ) and can surely say that in the [i]process of work[/i] your practical experience takes over the technique or concept ( which of course are important) , as in any practical work..( ask an engeneer ) other Renaissance, baroque, romantic painters or even the earliest coptic painters lived of course in a more religious world as we do.( more, componists..remind Bach !!) And none of those painting techniques are really lost, even murals.There is [i]knowledge[/i]. Of course a good professional could copy Mona Lisa. [i]Inventing[/i] is something different ( I mentioned [i]inspiration[/i]). greek or roman architecture is no mystery also..we just wonder how they build megalitic sites.. I think people underestimate the abilities of mankind, I mean we speak of alternative medicine but chinese medicine is 5000 yeaers old ! cheers

@ Hicks148 - I agree with every word you said, my friend.

Ok, Its not the "visitation" theories I have a problem grasping, its the concept of a god, I live in a world where in my mind most things can be explained rationally and scientifically. Yes, "visitors" may have appeared as gods to ancient civilisations by due of advanced tech, philosophy, evolution, etc, etc......... but god is i feel a man made concept, and only applies to people with beliefs, which i neither disparage, nor agree with. Simply put, whatever helps you sleep at night.

@Biehn_Bandit -"I think we don't give older and/or primitive cultures enough respect for their ingenuity. I mean, we can't even seem to recreate how some old painters constructed their oil paintings, let alone how pyramids were built. And never underestimate our ability to overestimate our so called experts. Our biases and preconceptions often keep us from seeing possibilities, no matter how intelligent or observant we are." -Very good observation, if I understand it right. These fairy tales and fantastic theories most always never give credit to our own human abilities. Can anybody say Alan Turing or Kurt Godel for example, are aliens? These two very smart HUMAN BEINGS are just a couple of the many people who helped paved the way for of our current technological advancements and knowledge. Their contributions to the fields of mathematics and logic seem almost out of this world: How can anybody come up this? seems almost impossible, but they were as Human as you and me. But if you still doubt humans could have come up with a scheme to build a computer for example, just trace back step by step how it came about, from its theoretical beginnings to todays super-computers; it is vey well documented fortunately, no convenient gaps for the fairy-taliers. You could also study the subject and understand how it all works of course... And the funny thing is that there are quite a few of these great minds throughout history who can be accounted for without a doubt that they existed and are Human indeed. -I would find a Human origin for the great achievements (pyramids, and so on..) as better explanations of how they came about rather than fantastic-sounding and complicated theories.

This is why this movie can open up a can of worms, and if it can upset some Atheiest/Scientists what will it do with some of the Religious out there as some can be very fanatical. I think this is the route he movie is taking, but its a movie. There are no such things as Face Huggers in real life, and so i dont see the harm of them going the Asronaught theory. i mean they could base it on us turn up at a planet and find Heaven and the crew meet a Tall Bearded Man in a White Dress.... And thus see God. Then well some could argue thats not realistic because well God dont exist because the Bible is not proof. You cant prove or disprove anything. Even Sceince is flawed and proves itself wrong over time as new Science discovers more. The Bible/Koran has holes, Evolution has holes. The Ancient Astronaught theory kinda joins dots that bind lines between both the above, its a possiblity. When you look before the Abrahamic religions, other beleaves all did share some very simular things. Again all could be coinsidence, The Greek Titans, the Summarian Anunaki and the Egytian Gods all are very simular. But as with the One God/Allah or Christ there really is not 100% Proof that will make all mankind beleaf in any one theory. So much like this movie, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS THE TRUTH. but at least with this movie we shall find out what the Truth is behind this movie. As for reality well we just may never know.

Well i think we can all get along and enjoy talking about this movie than upseting each other in future over differences in what beleaf we have. There are many different beleafs, none has 100% Proof and even if it did others can choose not to beleave and twist things. Demons, Angels could they be real, is there proof? Science can make points to prove not, is that true though we just dont know. For example, Alien Abductions... Christains will say its Demons because accepting Alien Abductions well dont help the validility of their religon. For Science/Athiest both Alien Abduction and Demonic Possesion are causes of the Brain, illucinations, sleep paralysis. But which is true.... thats debate and no one knows for sure, everyone will have and are entiled to their views. Like life after Death, you get some people who have visions of after life, seeing a light, floating from there body. even seeing a Hell, Demons. Some see other bizare things related to Aliens instead. Science seems to state that when we die even for short time our brain does not work like it does normally, when your starved of oxygen you can have hallucinations or near Death experiences. I knew a guy who used to get drunk a lot and take drugs, he was always off his head, sometimes he would see strange things like say imagine a Door talking to him, he would see a Tree change to Snake, even saw fish in his Beer Glass. One time he got so smashed he nearly died. He claimed he saw a Angel and other Stuff and gave up Booze and Drugs and become a Jehovah, he became a recluse, seemed very different always serious. Few years latter i saw him again he was back on booze and stuff, and does not like to talk about being a Jehovah, all he said is doing to many drugs messes your head up. So again who knows, did he really come close to death that he saw heaven or hell and Angels? Or was it a combination of Drugs, Drink and/or nearly dying that effected what his dying brain perseved. We just dont know.

Finally... Proof is in the pudding... No one beleaved there was anything after Portugal, and the World Was Flat, both Science and Religon at that point or should that be mankind. Bit we eventually proved it. Same as with Man benig able to fly in the sky, Man going to Space etc etc. I have seen some evidence of UFOs but then again not enough for me to be 100% not untill i see as clear and as detailed as i see the Prometheus Ship in this movie with my own eyes. or ET lands in my back yard. others may have seen but i have not. Same goes with God, some have spoken to Jesus, God, Angels, Demons what ever. But i have not and untill i do for myself you have for yourself no 100% truth. The Same goes for life after Death, again the only way i will maybe every find proof of that is when i myself Die. I would like to think there is a God, but i find so many conflicts with Religon. I do think there is something to us, as far as Spirit goes, whats its purpose does it really exist, why do we Dream all are maybe Questions that have not had one definate answer that all Mankind will all agree on. The Bottom Line should be the Spirit of Humanity thats the Golden Rule for me. Thats live your life well, to the full, provided doing so does not harm others or cause them distress. Be respectfull, caring, loving honest and kind. Always think of others before yourself. Thats how i live life and not because thats how Religon teaches or how you get your ticket to Heaven (which it wont) But purely because thats how i feel people should treat each other. Its just the right and just way.

I have to go with Richard Dawkins on this one but only to a point. We are all atheists when it comes God or gods. Even if we believe in a certain one, the others Clearly do not exist in our specific opinions. Great. But when Dawkins (and the late C Hitchens and others) say just how horrible God must be to create such a nasty universe (agreed) or that the God of the Bible is an arrogant childish tyrant and murderer (also agreed), denouncing any positive value some of these religious figures/traditions have, it seems to be unscientific and emotional. What really gets me is the ancient astronaut theory. Dawkins loves it. But these ancient astronauts are just as cruel, wicked, demented as Yahweh. I mean, these super advanced beings stick us here (if you buy them as out creators) in a world full of disasters, diseases, disorders and dismay --i'm in a d mood--but help create pyramids so ain't they just grand? Dawkins' aliens are just as twisted and worthy of hate as any God is. And just as much a figure of imagination, if not more so. I'm sure this movie has a chance of being great not because Scott knows his science, he doesn't-- his statement that mainstream science is of the opinion that there must have been something or someone that created us is, the odds of life starting and thriving in the universe on its own are just too small, no Ridley that is not current scientific opinion--but because Scott really does believe in the ancient astronuts to a certain extent. Horrible for science, but great for fiction!

@BigDave -"Even Sceince is flawed and proves itself wrong over time as new Science discovers more." Science does not prove itself wrong. It is not an entity, or anything like that, it is just a way to finding truth; a process, that is all. If a theory or law does not hold through evidence, it is revised or changed completely. The process is not concerned with anything outside the scope it sets for itself. Clear and to the point, although it can seem difficult because with science you cannot cop-out with imaginary or made B.S. and it requires effort (not for the lazy).

@dallas!dallas!......We can just agree to disagree about God being a figment of the imagination....evolution and God are not mutually exclusive ideas.......Science exists to study, observe, examine, catalog and theorize the universe in which we exist....given the possibility of God creating that universe, the findings and discoveries of Science would only then serve to explain His creation....there is nothing in evolutionary theory that automatically discounts or disproves the possibility of God's existence....evolution may then be just as easily understood as the functioning mechanism of biology as God set it into motion....there is still not one unified, foundational explanation or theory for the origin of the first self-sustaining cellular organism beyond a few varied and decidely weak supositions; each of which is very weak and suffers under scrutiny...Ultimately, The greater question is the origin of the universe itself....explaining existence as we experience it, the state of existence before the so-called Big Bang.......I find that a far more interesting question myself. ...and as to "how horrible God must be to create such a nasty universe", the beauty of God's creation far outways the negatives of the 'nasty' realities existing in a universe given the freedom to exist as the natural phenominon He made it to be...Given that it were His universe, His creation, would it not be His to do with as He pleases? I understand where you're coming from and we can go on disagreeing....I welcome the discourse...

I think that the problem with the argument for God is that it lacks substance as it is debated now. For Aristotle, God is simply that First Cause, and for both Plato and Aristotle it boils down to a principle of life that can only be spoken of in metaphor. At some point you have to get off the bus and say it starts and stops here, as both did, whereas the "gods" were another kind of metaphor for internal and external natural forces. This seems to be one step beyond the literal gods inherent in everything that tribal nations believe(d). I mention them with maybe too much space because their clear and distinct method approaching God is helpful and in no way exclusive. When we get into God as personal then I can't say it doesn't exist and neither can science. But science says Nothing, absolutely nothing with absolute certainty. As another poster said, it is right until it is proven wrong. However, science can point to what is most likely. And when a theist argues for a personal God, not only that but, and this is the most important part for me, one who has the qualities of love and mercy and kindness and concern for individuals, it is not up to science to disprove this being, it is up to the theist to prove it, or at least show the evidence is clearly in its favor. But God is such a loose term, I don't even know if that is what theists/believers are arguing anymore. Is God in us or are we in God? Is the God of the Bible what we are talking about or the God of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams and John Locke? Hence my point agreement with Dawkins that all of us are atheists in some way. I find it fascinating to contemplate the source of everything, the bringer of order into a chaotic universe. Whatever one believes, rationality exists internally and externally. We would have never gotten this far if it weren't so. No matter what happens on the sub-atomic level. There is a pattern that allows Newton to exist alongside Einstein alongside Quantum Physics. But more than that what can we say? Nothing. I differ greatly with those "hip" atheists who think all of the Bible or the Koran or the Tao Te Ching is just silliness of no worth. And anyone who denies the Christian and Islamic contributions to civilization in the 9-12 centuries is just plain ignorant of history. But in the end it comes down to saying something specific when one says God. And I just don't know anymore what most people are saying when they use the term. Hence my agreement with Dawkins on the point of everyone being an atheist on some level. And switching from God to ancient aliens doesn't change anything about the nature of the universe. Finally, I will get a little acidic and say many theists must stop using Einstein as some evidence of a scientist believing in God. At the end of his life, Einstein was no longer a believer in anything except a kind of deistic first mover, which is very, very different from the God some want Einstein to believe in.