To Ripley or not Ripley that is the question

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MemberOvomorphMarch 30, 20122810 Views42 RepliesInspired by yet another post, actually the response to another post (check out You are the director!), I am just wondering, how many of you feel that Ripley as heroine, specifically female heroine and as played by Weaver, was a major part of Alien's success and an interesting enough character for at least one more film? Or would it have mattered a bit if later entries had no Rilpley at all? If so, how far do you take the character?
March 30, 2012
You know my answer, but I think people should try thinking about it in the context of there being only the original film, before the character becomes more fleshed out and we become more attached to her. And maybe also ask if they would have the same opinion if it was one of the other characters that survived.
March 30, 2012
Of course, I think Ripley's powerful presence, strong nature, and yet still "girl next door" image was appealing to a broad spectrum of audience. Do I think someone else could have done it? Sure, but...based on the ones I remember reading about at the time, I don't think any "known" actress could've carried that role as well at the time...
March 30, 2012
"before the whole franchise got bastardised into the AvP universe"
Well i think the AVP could have worked fantastic the idea of AVP is great and would not have ruined the Alien universe if it was done correct.
The AVP movies relied on the cheap Action of AVP than a Story and its Story did not add up or link to Alien as Earth had no knowledge of Aliens prior to that. But then in Alien and Aliens they never mentions Predators which may have been known from the two times they vistited Earth in Predator 1+2
My thoughts was a Alien 5 which in the plot involved the Predators which could be set as the first time mankind came across them, could have worked.
The Story route behind the AVP Games and especially the AVP2 on PC and its Expantion Primal Hunt (where we first saw Pred Alien) could have worked.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
March 30, 2012
Sure... but the thing is, You now cannot have her show up BEFORE the Original as she is now in her 60's (but good Lord... She still has it going on!! )
So, the only logical place to put her would be in a re-visit to an ALIEN 5 project, like Ridley & Cameron were attempting to collaborate on back a decade ago before the whole franchise got bastardised into the AvP universe... Uggggh.
March 30, 2012
I think the way the original franchise was done well, even the idea of Alien 3.
Like the Thing Prequel the Idea and basis was very sound, its execution was flawed.
But after Alien 3 that should have been the end of Ripley, i dont think it made sence to create her From DNA.
i guess in the context of the movie being set so far in future that a person could be cloned from a tiny strand of DNA yes, but there are other ideas in that movie that was just rushed and half done based purley of the cheap thrill of just because movie got Aliens in it again.
Much like the AVPs, they relied more on the fact its got Aliens and Predators than any concreate and good plot.
So i dont think Ripley should be in any more films at all......... unless. As a Andriod based on her?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
March 30, 2012
Ripley made Alien. Without her it would be just another monster flick. For me the performances were more important than the Xenomorph. Ripley's on screen authority and charisma has not been matched by a woman since...Tell me one other woman who can do what Ripley does...Noomi Rapeass is good but nothing compared to Ripley
Alien 4 would have been a far better movie had they treated the Xenos with some respect..they were too CGI, shown too often and too cartoony...Michael Wincott dies too quick...other than that I like watching it sorry
March 30, 2012
AVP2 on PC is the best Alien AND Predator game ever made.
Although wasn't a fan of the crazy fast, but weak xenos
March 30, 2012
Biehn-Bandit I do agree on how we should approach Ripley. My point is that she was interesting enough in the first film to be fleshed out more in Aliens. Weaver herself said that the only problem she has with Aliens was they cut some of her character development (and that she wasn't a big fan of all the guns).
Well, if you have read any of my other posts you all know I would have been happy if Dallas survived. Would have been a nice arc to see him face his mistakes and have to live with them. Originally, Skerrit was Ripley, or more specifically, Roby when first approached to do Alien. And I have to admit that, excluding Ripley, there would have been some justice in having Parker (never wanted to land in the first place), Brett (who wouldn't want a Brett for a best friend?) or even Lambert (she says it best before anyone else, "Let's get the hell out of here.") survive. But of course, this is horror movie so likeable people have to meet horrible ends. Nope, I think Ripley is the best choice.
March 30, 2012
One of the disappointments I have with the franchise it that they never took the ripley character into SJ territory. In fact, it would have been great to have her go back to LV426 in the sequel but go in a different direction storywise. We could have had Prometheus with the Ripley character many years ago had the sequels been more creative. You set up this great mystery element of what is the large creature in the chair in Alien and you think it will be touched on in the sequels but never happens. I get that they wanted to capitalize on the first movie but they could have really tried something different with the sequel (not Aliens bashing but jmo). Hell, they could have tried doing it in 3 and 4. Oh well, now we have Prometheus.
March 30, 2012
@ the coming couldn't have said it better
@canadaphil I am just talking sequel here, not prequel
@bigdave I am with you on the idea of Alien 3, if you bring her back, put her in real jeopardy, kill her off!
March 30, 2012
The funny thing is, I believe the whole began when someone came up with the idea of a videogame in 1994 on a system that virtually NO ONE but me owned it seemed... the ATARI JAGUAR.
But to be honest, Alien vs. Predator on the Jaguar was a pretty ground breaking game for its time then. A very creepy first person shooter. I think it was THIS game that started the events in motion to turn it into a movie franchise.
March 30, 2012
I would leave Ripley for the second film but make her refuse the offer to go to LV-426 again or even get her driven mad by alien related nightmares in order to highlight psychological effect of alien encounter.
March 30, 2012
it's a shame we will never see Ripley perform again, saw her the other day on 'Rampart' and boy she has aged a lot, it would be impossible to cast her again as Ripley
really pissed because we were expecting an Alien 5 for so long and now it is too late...and Prometheus doesn't appear to have any strong lead Im sorry
March 30, 2012
@ I feel safer already
I think you could have had your cake and ate it too if Aliens as Cameron did it had some link to the SJs with an ending that would have set up a 3rd Alien movie that would essentially be Prometheus. But better late than never.
March 30, 2012
Nowadays, strong female characters in this genre just don't exist. They are far and few between. She really represented a strong character but also very unique. She began the series slightly unlikable and as the events progressed, she became more dimensional. It's sad those roles just don't happen anymore. It's weird, as society becomes more progressive with gender roles, the movie roles for women narrow.
March 30, 2012
@ the coming We have to wait to June 8th. Maybe then we'll be sorry. Hope not.
As for liking Alien Resurrection, you should be ashamed of yourself lol
March 30, 2012
They could pull a stunt out of the Mc.G hat ala 1980's CGI Arnold in Terminator Salvation.
Hahaha... a 29 year old CGI Sigourney Weaver... And real Siggy could just provide the Voice Over.
PS: Mc. G ... Lolz! What kind of complete douche bag do you have to be to call yourself Mc. G !!!!
March 30, 2012
@CanadaPhil lol where did the McG thing come from? Nah cameo's of that sort are lame, Ridley is correct to make it almost completely unrelated..I hate all those nods and winks in prequels
@dallas Alien 4 is a guilty pleasure..if it makes u feel better Alien is still my top movie, the one with dallas in it lol..maybe they should have cloned Dallas instead then you'd be happier..except he'd probably just bum around all day
March 30, 2012
I think all of you who haven't followed Noomi's career closely will be MORE than surprised at how capable a lead she is. Really...