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MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 12:22 AM[url=http://m.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/6691525/Ridley-Scott-talks-Prometheus]Ridley Scott talks about Prometheus.[/url]
From the title to the philosophy, through to his work on Alien and Blade Runner, and the impact of Star Wars and Avatar, Ridley Scott discusses his eagerly awaited film Prometheus.
Ridley Scott defined modern-day science fiction with two back-to-back projects begun over 30 years ago. Alien and Blade Runner set a new standard for the genre with their dark and dystopian visions of the future, and introduced the world to a new set of iconic characters.
Three decades later, Scott returns to the genre he helped define with Prometheus. Begun as an Alien prequel, the film's original mythology has been borne of DNA of that seminal original film, but its grand themes promise to stand very much alone and question humanity's understanding of the secrets of the universe.
Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Idris Elba and Logan Marshall Green comprise the ensemble cast of Prometheus. The script comes from Lost creator Damon Lindelof and the writer of The Darkest Hour, Jon Spaihts.
Talking from the offices of his Scott Free production company in London, Scott shares his vision for Prometheus, discusses his return to the science-fiction roots of his career, and his ideas about the creation of the universe.
What prompted a return to science fiction after all these years?
Science fiction is a wonderful - sorry about the pun - universe for - again, another much overused word - creativity. It's an arena where anything goes. But I think you have to make sure it's not cheesy and it's a good story and it's not abused.
There's a serious lack of originality now. It's mostly dressing and it already utilises the science fiction idea. The opportunity presents itself to fundamentally do anything you want, providing that you draw up a rule book in the first place. You've got to draw up the rules of your drama and within that universe you've got to actually stick to your own rule book. I think that's what's happening - we're not drawing enough rules up when we do materials. It feels like writing a book. It's like when you write an article, you've got to box it into a three act play. There's a beginning, middle and an end. That doesn't change whether you're writing a book or writing a screenplay. The hardest single thing you do is get the bloody screenplay right.
Where did your journey into sci-fi begin back then?
I carried myself forward into science fiction mostly with the inspiration from Jean Giraud - Moebius - and his marvellous original illustrations, thinking that would show itself in magazines such as Métal Hurlant and all those publications which I used to look at and hide from my children, mainly because it was so violent and so sexual. They were kind of adult comic strips but they didn't pull any punches, and I thought, 'that's the way to go'. In fact, Moebius designed my costumes [for Alien]. The idea of science fiction came out of the blue. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool designer, and I'll always be a designer, and I'd been mucking around with a quick story when I saw Star Wars. And Star Wars kind of knocked me sideways with all my plans.
Ad Feedback So Alien was a reaction for you to Star Wars? A reaction against Star Wars?
No, no, to go, 'God Almighty, where did this guy come from?' It stopped me in my tracks and changed my whole head.
You've talked about the idea of these post-apocalyptic films having been done to death. Is Prometheus your way of going in the opposite direction and wondering about the beginning of life?
It is, and I've got to check [for spoilers] very carefully here, but it is about the beginning of life and 'what if'. It's a giant 'what if'. Has this ball that we're sitting on right now been around here for three billion years or one billion? Either way, it's a long f---ing time. It's only our kind of arrogance that says "We're the first ones."
Are we the first hominids? I really, really, really doubt it. In recent memory or legend we keep talking about wonderful, weird things such as Atlantis - what is that? Where does that come from? Is that real, was it real, is it a memory, did it exist? And if that did exist, did it exist three quarters of a billion years ago? There'd be nothing left now. How was that created and who was it?
It's also interesting that there are uncanny similarities between cultures that developed on opposite sides of the world.
Absolutely, it's something we don't know. Something that we really, really don't know. Is there a guiding force into this process? Is it a much larger idea and much larger entity that we can't really fathom? Because it's as if, if you stand by an ant, it doesn't see you. It doesn't even know you're there. I think it's different, because we're intelligent enough to go, 'oh, that's a very large fellow,' but that's a good metaphor.
How do the characters in Prometheus tackle these themes?
They have a different thesis about - what we were first talking about - being pre-visited, which is an old idea. But I think it comes out of a good place because it's an entirely good question. Is there a God or is there not a God? Are we a petri dish here or not, and if we were a petri dish, of whom? What was the force, what is the entity that we can't possibly even fathom, because it's something we haven't crossed that line yet?
James Cameron had a lot of success going all-digital with Avatar, but Prometheus will be largely practical. Do you think practical is better?
No, I think Jim definitely raised the mark both with what he did and the story, and then how he pulled it off - God, he's got patience, four and a half years - but I wasn't even going to get into that area, and I don't think Fox were either. Besides, what I've got is an expected engine. It's not entirely what you expect, but I think what I'm saying is going to be fairly scary, whereas Jim's is not that kind of film. No, that just evolved. The actual truth is, if you know what you're doing it's actually cheaper. Digital effects are not cheaper. We've done this film for a really good price.
What does the title mean for you?
The story of Prometheus is the idea that if you're given a gift from the gods, do not abuse it and do not think you can compete. He stole fire and they had his entrails torn out everyday in perpetuity by an eagle as a punishment. Every night they'd repair and then the eagle would come back in the morning and rip his liver and his kidneys out again. It's perpetual purgatory. Basically, don't f--- around with gods.
- Sydney Morning Herald
*edited courtesy of craigamore*
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Co-AdminMemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 12:25 AM'oh, that's a very large fellow,'- that's what Ridley said.
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Famished
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 12:40 AM[b][i] Has this ball that we're sitting on right now been around here for three billion years or one billion? Either way, it's a long f---ing time. It's only our kind of arrogance that says "We're the first ones."[/i][/b]
I'm tellin' ya, [u]a recursive evolution story[/u]. The reason why some things are there is because we've been there before. Will we break the cycle?

reffugee
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 12:44 AMRidley Scott sums up Prometheus plot in his own charming way"Basically, don't f--- around with gods."

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 1:07 AMRidley could do Atlantis far better than that Star Gate show did.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 1:23 AMi love how much he curses
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MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 2:46 AMI wonder if the blue people are the Atlanteans of earth then?

ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 3:32 AM[quote]Has this ball that we're sitting on right now been around here for three billion years or one billion? Either way, it's a long f---ing time. It's only our kind of arrogance that says "We're the first ones."
I'm tellin' ya, a recursive evolution story. The reason why some things are there is because we've been there before. Will we break the cycle?[/quote]
This and other reads, now i think
The blueish guy, waterfall, is Atlanteans/Gods who fled a an earth that was about to see catastrophee. they might have left a clue where they are going "starmap" that old civilisations found and put in there sculptures as well. (i like to guess to much, i must say it keeps me excited)

Heustess
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 3:48 AM"So Alien was a reaction for you to Star Wars? A reaction against Star Wars?"
Not at all, Alien was created independently from Starwars in the sense that Alien's script was being made before 1977. However Starwars forced 20th Century Fox to recognise the public' interest to the science fiction genre.
As for the first Hominid thing you should read the Canopus into Argos by Doris Lessing or perhaps some works by Idiris Shah.

Guest
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 4:03 AM@ShinobiX9X These are my thoughts as well. The other day I was talking about how Poseidon, one of the kings of Atlantis, belongs to the God class and is Zeus' brother. He's also related to the Titans, and there are legends about the Atlanteans using flying machines and being a tall race of hominids.
The Atlanteans were said to have extremely advanced technology. Created mermaids (hence some of the myths of them actually being mermaids), and disappeared from the Earth after their kingdom vanished into the sea during cataclysms, the arrival of the Titan monsters, and the flood. The blue guys were given a gift by their creators and are our older brothers who successfully challenged the gods and won. They were to be punished for misusing the gift they received from our true creators, creators and destroyers, but it was too late and they had weaponized the fire. The Atlantean gods move to Olympus after Atlantis falls, taking refuge on the mountain tops as the biblical flood is caused by the true gods with the ability to the alter the planet. However, the God-Titan war began to rage as the Gods of Olympus stuck up for their Atlantean colonies and fight off the monsters unleashed in the ocean.
The flood cleanses everything away, including the infection, or so the Titans thought so they could start over with a new line of hominids. However, the gods were able to pose as our early kings and turned the true space Jockeys' bioweapons on them, replacing them in the hierarchy after escaping the Earth with the gifts they'd been given. Nearly destroying their creators and stripping them of their power, even using their suits and preserving their legacy. Only because they're the true genetic masters, and they need at least one of this more ancient species to preserve their biobased tech and godlike status. However, ancient humans, the true jockeys' other creation still remain on the Earth in fewer numbers.
From an archaeological standpoint, if the legends Plato spoke of about Atlantis having pyramids are true; then it could explain the numerous cultures who built pyramids, step-pyramids, earthen mounds, and burial mounds on each side of the Atlantic and surrounding islands. People claim to have found evidence near many submerged island chains on either side. The thing that throws me is what they would be doing leaving clues in Honolulu.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 4:03 AM@ShinobiX9X These are my thoughts as well. The other day I was talking about how Poseidon, one of the kings of Atlantis, belongs to the God class and is Zeus' brother. He's also related to the Titans, and there are legends about the Atlanteans using flying machines and being a tall race of hominids.
The Atlanteans were said to have extremely advanced technology. Created mermaids (hence some of the myths of them actually being mermaids), and disappeared from the Earth after their kingdom vanished into the sea during cataclysms, the arrival of the Titan monsters, and the flood. The blue guys were given a gift by their creators and are our older brothers who successfully challenged the gods and won. They were to be punished for misusing the gift they received from our true creators, creators and destroyers, but it was too late and they had weaponized the fire. The Atlantean gods move to Olympus after Atlantis falls, taking refuge on the mountain tops as the biblical flood is caused by the true gods with the ability to the alter the planet. However, the God-Titan war began to rage as the Gods of Olympus stuck up for their Atlantean colonies and fight off the monsters unleashed in the ocean.
The flood cleanses everything away, including the infection, or so the Titans thought so they could start over with a new line of hominids. However, the gods were able to pose as our early kings and turned the true space Jockeys' bioweapons on them, replacing them in the hierarchy after escaping the Earth with the gifts they'd been given. Nearly destroying their creators and stripping them of their power, even using their suits and preserving their legacy. Only because they're the true genetic masters, and they need at least one of this more ancient species to preserve their biobased tech and godlike status. However, ancient humans, the true jockeys' other creation still remain on the Earth in fewer numbers.
From an archaeological standpoint, if the legends Plato spoke of about Atlantis having pyramids are true; then it could explain the numerous cultures who built pyramids, step-pyramids, earthen mounds, and burial mounds on each side of the Atlantic and surrounding islands. People claim to have found evidence near many submerged island chains on either side. The thing that throws me is what they would be doing leaving clues in Honolulu.
Edit: Poseidon creates new islands, and even creates some groups of humans in myths after the fall of Atlantis. Sort of like Prometheus when he's tasked with the creation of the next round of humanity, whom the gods rule. So maybe that could be it.

Gem]n[
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 4:06 AMThat was an inspired interview ... that's made me think that out Earth has been visited a sh!t load of times, by lots of other 'species', Aliens, over a vast number of years, is cool ... like an interglactic stop over ... therefore it's not ours ... it's not theirs ... it's everyone's planet ...
I always keep on saying NO ONE knows the full facts of how we really started out and the full facts about this planet or the stars ... it's all theories & speculation with a bit of science ... we've just got used to excepting it because we don't know any better ... yet ... until we are able to get 100% results we just DON'T know ... the science is there but then it's no good using it, then speculating a result ... it's got to be fact ...

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 4:55 AMLooks like you guys are on track concerning the relevance of the movie's title. The crew do something to tick off the space jockeys.

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 4:57 AMBTW, I must say, very interesting interview. Read it from beginning to end. He answered some exciting questions.

ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 6:00 AM@ Mala'kak
Wow dude, you made it even more clear to me. Atlanteans and Titans.
i hope we don't get too much expectations guessing here :p

Gehirn
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 8:00 AM@belladonna,
I love how in the trailer interview a girl asks him about being old school and he bluntly tells her to f**k off (was an online question I believe).
It's like you could be his biggest fan and he'd still flick his cigar ashes in your face, expecting you to smile. LOL

Famished
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 8:18 AMExcellent, excellent. Thanks for breaking that down, Malak'kak.
Not entirely what I've been thinking, but I've been thinking without all of the mythology. No idea how this could work out in a few films, but it's exciting to me that it could be a remote possibility.
Perhaps it is distilled a bit, simplified.
Regardless, this recursive nature of the Prometheus story on a large, evolutionary scale, is what I've been suspecting, but I've refrained from digging too deep. I DO think that the David8 tech story has a lot to do with how this plays out within the film, but the clues are too subtle to speculate on at this point.

Dutch
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2012 8:48 AM@tachito
Good grab on this interview....it adds to my understanding of how Ridley reconciles with the fact that he has to say something, yet skillfully avoid details.....it must be really hard for him to deal with leaks and backstabbers knowing he has a wonderous story that he probably bursting inside to share. It's basically what he's been saying all along except I see a few new clues as to his thought process....talking about an ant...just read that and consider it from all angles.
We're the ant...not realizing just what this movie is.
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