119 minutes - no profundity or slow burn build-up then?

ZetaReticuli
MemberOvomorphApril 13, 20122425 Views47 RepliesNot one to moan, but I'm having a hard time wondering how they'll squeeze everything in here in such a short time-span. Don't anybody say that 'it's ok, we'll have the extended version on DVD and blu-ray', because that is a cop-out and everybody's pandering to that easy option now. I want, quite rightly, to experience the 'full version' in the cinema - where it's meant to be seen.
Anyone agree? But more importantly, how are they going to have an audience/character intro and rapport, plot and plan of action briefing, journey and it's complexities, planet exploration, identifying/encountering the enemy, climax in 119 minutes?
I've seen a lot of pacifist comments on how Alien is only 117 minutes, but the setting from the very start there was in the eeriness of space and the tension began immediately. So comparison to Alien runtime for me doesn't cut it with me, sorry. I don't like this 'trim it, chop it and make it tight' thing these days at all. I know 'it's business' but it's also ART. They used to make LONG good films -'Lawrence of Arabia', 'Ben Hur' and I'd have thought coming from a director who's acknowledged these in 'Gladiator', this film would've really run
the course to explain everything in absolute detail. Just like those gorgeousIy detailed designs of the exteriors, locations and the ship
I really thought this was going to be a slow-burner rising into all out terror and chaos. How the f***k are they going to cram it all in without it seeming rushed? I mean how???? I'm mystified, honestly. I smell studio shite again........
April 13, 2012
As you say Neurion When Ridley said alien felt epic well Prometheus is epic that kinda conjured up all kinds of excitement and expectation in my easily lead mind.
I keep saying i'm optimistic and i think the film will be good but on the other hand my expectations in terms of run time were i guess exaggerated, and unreasonable, to think it would be significantly longer.
April 13, 2012
To tell ya truth…I don’t know that I would even want to sit through more than 2 hours and 20 or 30 minutes of the world of PROMETHEUS…at least in the theater. I loathe when films that I’m enjoying…begin to draaaaaaaaag. I got that feeling in the last Batman film DARK KNIGHT. Cool flick, but for me…it dragged out too long...by about 15-20 minutes.
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April 13, 2012
I love the, "pacifist comments" throw-away: that was beautiful.
All that aside: personally, I think practically 2 hours is, you know, a decent run-time.
Can't we just have a little faith and judge the man after, not before, we see his film?
@Shane
I'm afraid you are not unique - at least not in that way, my friend - because with [i]every single word[/i], you may as well have just spoken for me.
April 13, 2012
I can see your point Neurion but that film wasn't tackling the kind of issues this film raises. Hopefully i will be as delighted as i originally thought i would be i just feel a little deflated as i'm getting a little tired of the mixed messages this film is sending out , and i'm not just talking about the run time here... the it is / isn't an alien prequel , The Really nasty film ridley wants to make yet it wants to be a pg 13 , and the 1.59 david lean type epic , its all so vague and distracting yet it looks amazing .
April 14, 2012
Yeah, it's been like a yo-yo of being fired up and then let-down, rather
like Chinese Water Torture, lol.
@Craigamore - no nastiness intended bro, a couple o beers and the late
hour (this morning UK time was it 1:45 ish?) just dampened my self-reasoning with the runing time news. Been chewing over and trying to swallow it since. I heard it. Seriously, I should never, ever let a thing like this get to me, but I'm an artist, I love my films and music to bits and I'm from a generation that savoured the film experience. I like my films of this genre like my food - slow cooked, lol.
@Shane - yes, I love 'Blade Runner' - but that again is a situationalist piece and not a story of an immense exploration over time and terrifying encounters and the details that elapsed time ( yes, I'll say it) demands. But hey that's my own rather intense taste. I'm a lot of a connossieur, lol.
Ok, I'll wait and see. I 've absolutely no doubt of all the scintillatingly gorgeous visuals that will be packed into this, but - these 'jewels' could be better hung on a long necklace of plot and dialogue morsels to chew over. For the tens of thousands of harcore Alien and Giger fans at least. Does everybody get what I'm trying to say now on that note?
April 14, 2012
Look at 2001 today. That whole Blue Danube sequence can be cut. Would that really damage the movie? It was probably an "Ooh, Ahh, look at how real it all looks, that looks amazing," moment in 1968 but today it drags. Cut that baby! Get on with it. And just how many bright colors do we have to see as Bowman zips through the beyond? Cut! You have 2001 clocking in at 1:29 minutes my guess and none the worse.
April 14, 2012
Sorry dallas, but that brutal and utilitarian film making attitude
is precisely what I loathe. With a passion. The 'Blue Danube' sequence is sublime and integral to the aesthetic of what '2001' is conveying - the vacuum of rolling beauty of space. That's what Stanley Kubrick's (one of Ridley Scott's inspirations incidentally) vision was as an artist. Same with The Shining.
I really think the 'disease' today is the low attention span being stealthily
created and bred in people because of the 'quick-fix' tech we so readily
get now with absolutely everything. I'ts creating a new breed of impatient 'I want it nows'. Films are now served up like hot cakes and that's terrible.
April 14, 2012
I feel your pain Zeta - I have followed with great intrigue and excitement the build up to the release of Prometheus - even before it became Prometheus I was all over it! But I know what your saying, after been at the Q & A with Scott this week it seems to me like the Fox suits have got the tightest grip on this art (it is their property - unfortunately) and are looking to "dilute" it down to popcornville. This pisses me off - BIG STYLEE. Unfortunately, whilst the suits have hold of it nothing much can be done. It seems they have Scott wrapped around their little finger as well - As for Lindeloff, he adores the PG rating and has his nose buried deep up the corporate boys a-holes!
April 14, 2012
@ ZetaReticuli - Im completely with you on everything you said in this thread. However Im willing to give this a chance and wont complain/comment on the length until after seeing the movie.
April 14, 2012
The funny thing is, Scott got to make a 150 million dollar, 2 hour and 20 minute Robin Hood movie that no one was clamoring for. But his return to the Alien universe only gets 2 hours. Haha, unreal.
April 14, 2012
Thanks for sharing my view all. I suppose I'll have to stop acting like
a dweeb and grow up and accept it. In the same breath I hope, come the blu-ray release, that the extra material amounts to a touch more than 17mins.
An extra bit which I would've much preferred to see on the big screen first.
April 14, 2012
"@Craigamore - no nastiness intended bro, a couple o beers and the late
hour (this morning UK time was it 1:45 ish?) just dampened my self-reasoning with the runing time news. Been chewing over and trying to swallow it since. I heard it. Seriously, I should never, ever let a thing like this get to me, but I'm an artist, I love my films and music to bits and I'm from a generation that savoured the film experience. I like my films of this genre like my food - slow cooked, lol."
We're all good ZetaReticuli and I get your point....I'm just going to wait and see for myself...
"Sorry dallas, but that brutal and utilitarian film making attitude
is precisely what I loathe. With a passion. The 'Blue Danube' sequence is sublime and integral to the aesthetic of what '2001' is conveying - the vacuum of rolling beauty of space. That's what Stanley Kubrick's (one of Ridley Scott's inspirations incidentally) vision was as an artist. Same with The Shining. I really think the 'disease' today is the low attention span being stealthily created and bred in people because of the 'quick-fix' tech we so readily get now with absolutely everything. I'ts creating a new breed of impatient 'I want it nows'. Films are now served up like hot cakes and that's terrible."
I'm in total agreement here ZetaReticuli....why anyone would want to butcher a classic, because they think it's slow is beyond me.....the irony being that every element, including what they see as slow moving or boring, is essential to making that film the classic it is....and I'm constantly apalled at the general inability to see art, film for what it is the course of history...you don't have to love everything that is considered a classic, but far too few give said classics a chance to begin with...it's either, in a negative sense, black & white, old, too long, too slow and so on......I went to film school and will never forget how easily so many of my classmates rejected films of earlier generations out of hand for those ignorant reasons......and still claimed to love cinema...
...it's a painful reality that much of modern society is not open to the possibilities of what is in front of them unless it shows any remote sign of their personal interest...
"Look at 2001 today. That whole Blue Danube sequence can be cut. Would that really damage the movie? It was probably an "Ooh, Ahh, look at how real it all looks, that looks amazing," moment in 1968 but today it drags. Cut that baby! Get on with it. And just how many bright colors do we have to see as Bowman zips through the beyond? Cut! You have 2001 clocking in at 1:29 minutes my guess and none the worse."
I'm sorry dallas!dallas!...but art is as it is seen to begin with from the artist's final declaration...strip it down, pull it apart, take out what YOU don't like or find unnecessary and it's no longer art at all...it's censored garbage...no matter what is behind the censoring.....
April 14, 2012
"Sorry dallas, but that brutal and utilitarian film making attitude
is precisely what I loathe. With a passion. The 'Blue Danube' sequence is sublime and integral to the aesthetic of what '2001' is conveying - the vacuum of rolling beauty of space. That's what Stanley Kubrick's (one of Ridley Scott's inspirations incidentally) vision was as an artist. Same with The Shining.
I really think the 'disease' today is the low attention span being stealthily
created and bred in people because of the 'quick-fix' tech we so readily
get now with absolutely everything. I'ts creating a new breed of impatient 'I want it nows'. Films are now served up like hot cakes and that's terrible."
Great post. I lol'd at the concept of abbreviating an attempt to convey "the [i]infinite[/i], and beyond," No offense, dallas!dallas!, but you simply reinforced exactly what ZetaReticuli is saying.
April 14, 2012
Hi Guys - This is my first post so go easy on me!
My top five films and run times
1. Shawshank Redemption 142 mins
2. The Matrix 136 mins
3. Goodfellas 148 mins
4. Alien 117 mins
5. Inception 148 mins
They are also some of the best paced films ever.
If this is to be 'Epic', 119 mins is just not enough for me.
Going on classic epic film history, i think a min 135 mark would of hit the spot for me...
Just a little dissaponited with less than 2 hours for a 30+ year wait and seems far too much going on in the trailers to fit?
April 14, 2012
Okay, I am going to have to make it clearer when I am being tongue in cheek. Seriously. When I said, Cut! or the whole bright colors comment . . . that didn't give it away? Seriously? lol
April 14, 2012
I'm still laughing my ass off that no one could see it! 2001 clocking in at 1:29, lmfao. I think you folks have to get off the video games!