Am I The Only One Who Hopes The Xenomorph Doesn't End Up Becoming Such A Simple

@ Creed yes, I remember taking part in that discussion. I suppose they [i]could[/i] be a useful weapon but I doubt they very much would be. I agree with Prenihility all the way. The xenos were interesting for the original and I would go further that for mainstream audiences, Aliens was the next logical step in the series, one was bad but thousands against a small band of people? After that, the idea was ready for bed. Time to get back to that other alien. Xenos one earth would probably last about as long as AVP:Requiem did at the box office. There are just too many of us. And once their existence was known, it would be pretty easy to wipe them out. The whole acid for blood thing is only effective on a spaceship. @Moebius Pi Scott's quotes sound more like his preference, not just speculation. He may not go that route and I hope he doesn't but the bit I cited from the 1999 DVD and Craigamore cited sound stronger than just wondering. However, you are right I think in making sure we don't jump to assumptions.

Its primary purpose according to Scott was TERRA-FORMING and I for one do not buy into the argument that once they were discovered we could just wipe them out, not the way I see that, if enough of them were dropped on one concentrated area, say one where Nukes were stashed I would not give long for this EARTH

Personally I have always hated the idea of the Xeno being a bio-weapon... at least from the standpoint of it being deliberately being created by the ENGINEERS. Just seems so lame... We are talking about a race that has been travelling the entire width of the known Universe for Milenia and can manipulte LIFE itself right down the molecular level. It would just seem that there could be so many ways of getting rid of something on a more global scale then them acting as an incubator for 1 single life form. Could they in fact still end up being acknowledged as a Bio-Weapon from what we end up seeing in Prometeus?... Sure, very possible. But I would put my money on it being a "weapon" that came about from something WEYLAND puts in motion.. As his way of cleaning up one specific species.. HUMANS on Earth.. So that he could wipe that slate clean and start again with his NEW version of us, based on his ideas of biological perfection.. With of course he being the Master Ruler at the very top.

i agree and think this all being Company driven as you say Phil.

Seriously Spartacus, Seriously? What, humans are so stupid that after the first few are facehugged, we would still be dumb enough to go and poke around some eggs? And what do nukes have to do with anything? Would the xenos somehow get control of the bomb? Would we have to profile xenos and make sure they don't board airplanes? The primary worry about damaging xenos is the acid. Something having very little if no point on earth. Dropping the eggs on a site where nukes were stashed would not change anything. Now maybe if we want to wipe out a small town in East Nowhere Alaska, maybe. But wiping out the entire human population? And I suggest you read my citation. Scott's idea for them as a weapon is as strong as any idea of terraforming. Not that terraforming isn't as big and idea, but certainly not more primary.

Weyland wanting them as a weapon is one thing. The Sjs is another.

@dallas!dallas! with regard to my comment about "nukes" someone said earlier in the thread that they DOUBT HIGHLY that The Xenomorph species could wipe out the earth. If you had read that you would know that it was what I was responding to...in any case IMO even just 2 or 3 Xenomorphs could wipe out the earth by gaining access to any of our wonderful Nuclear facilities here on this incredibly safe and secure planet of ours. It was CLEARLY a hypothesis in answer to the comment that was made that they would make a Bad Weapon, I disagree and think they would make a most efficient weapon. Also Dude I went back and read all of your comments and quite frankly I am NOT wrong, I am in fact quite RIGHT, and Scott Himself lumped the two together saying...oh and he said all this in JULY, of THIS PAST YEAR. “… I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original ‘Alien’. It’s fairly pure. And ['Prometheus'] does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one [ie. the 'Alien' xenomorph] – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?”

Bump for dallas!dallas!

I don't like the idea very much either. Hey I'm new here, and I recently got hook on Alien, but did Ridley say that they were weapons and that the Derelect was a bomber? I think that mabey they were sending the eggs for destruction or relocation, and then the Prometheus crew screws everything up.

And yeah, they could most definetly destroy an entire planet

I think the initial conceit inherent in the statement is naive and redundant. Much depends on the [i]nature[/i] of the weapon, the weapon's nature, of what it is capable, and in which context it is deployed. All of that can be retro-fitted to, or instead of, what we have come to understand of the nature of xenomorph - and that position, (where we are confident that we understand the nature of the xenomorph, by association), is what Ridley Scott has indicated he does not want to return to. A "weapon", is far from a necessarily a "boring" concept - this suggestion is ridiculous. A weapon that we already know, might be - but whose to say that is what we get? Perhaps it is you who needs to determine whether they are in a box.

I'd always thought that the derelict, space jockey and eggs found in ALIEN are from ages ago; the creepy part is how could something so old still be alive or ready to attack. However if it is a weapon or accident is irrelevant; because wherever they were taking those eggs, ampules or whatever you wanna call them, it was not intended to be a birthday present.....................maybe. For me is far more interesting that the xenomorph species remains in certain mystery. Like the things that have been discussed before; how intelligent are they, how does their life cylce ends, etc. everybody wants to speculate and know the whole truth about them, but if that happens the fun ends. I think the film will provide some clues and even answer some questions, but still the movie is not about xenomorphs; like Ridley said is a thing of the past.

@spartacus I know that is what you are responding to. That is what we are all responding to. And that is your nuke theory? Two or three in a nuclear facility would destroy the world? Now that is funny. Or are the xenos going to launch an airstrike on the US from a weapons site? Oh, it must be one of those kiddie games you play, Alien vs Boy Scouts. Also, terra-forming and using the xenos as a weapon can be lumped together, but using them in some kind of intergalactic war, dude, is something else entirely. No bumps, no scratches, no bruises, dude.

Oh, and Sparty ole boy, just point out to me the section in O'Bannon's script or even the rewrite that hints at xenos being created by the SJs or someone else for use as weapons. If you like Scott's idea fine, but that is not how they were originally envisioned.

why don't you enlighten me on how they were envisioned, envisioned by whom? Giger? cause that's who made them, Scott created the idea for Alien...clearly created it, as he himself said clearly a thousand times and as recently as this past July. What part of this are you having a hard time with? read it again... I said nothing of the script... you are deliberately attempting to goad me and I will not bite and I stick by the courage of my conviction because I know what I am talking about and confident IN IT'S VALIDITY...HERE IT IS AGAIN...read it...also...This is about the argument made that the Xenomorph as a Weapon is a bad idea and lacks creativity and originality which I still find completely rediculous but keep arguing this with me if you like... "Ridley Scott-->"I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?”

i figure since its ridleys idea he can make their origin whatever the hell he wants. i dont really care what they are, im just huge on "WHY?". my bf knows i hate movies that dont explain "why". they can be trashy b-movies and i love them as long as they explain everything in the movie, even if the explination is really stupid. i just want to know more about the xenos origin. i wouldnt care if it was an accidental outcome of mutations and contaminations, an engenered weapon, a natural indiginous species to a planet, so on. i just wanna know. i do think they seem a bit more then just an engenered weapon. it has a life cycle that doesnt include mating so it doesnt seem efficient for the original alien to have mated with lambert. if it was a perfect killing machine thats just an unessesary waste of time and didnt need to do that to her. i just think there is more to this creature then that. unless that is how it turns humans into eggs. maybe it rapes all of them to inject something that changes their DNA.... but they didnt want to hint twards the male characters getting it in the bum. that was probably still a bit to risque for a scifi in 79.

Their duration/Lifespan as stated by Ridley Scott and as is MADE CLEAR in Alien Vault was 4 Days...thats it, the Xeno Ripley encountered aboard the Narcicus had gone in there to find the darkest spot to die in at the end of it's 4 day Life. 4 days.... A Weapon, "Tha Tha Tha Tha Tha That's All Folks" !!!

Using the aliens as "planetary cleanup" seems pretty stupid for a spacefaring species. They kind of suck as weapons. They only kill creatures that are a certain size and stupid enough to put their faces in front of an opening egg. If you want to sterilize a planet, why not using nanomachines or neutron bombs? Shit, with the technology that we have today we could clean up a planet much more efficiently than by using a bunch of drooling, creepy monsters.

a rapist weapon..... those sicko engineers!! its got 4 days and it has to go bugger someone when it doesnt need to.

Spartacus, Saying that the xenos were conceived as weapons from the beginning and that Scott had the idea from the beginning are two separate things. yes, we know Scott thinks of them as weapons, I was the first one on this thread to inform the OP if you bothered to read it, which you claim to have done. But while Scott and Giger may have designed the xeno, they did not create the story or the script. It's that simple. That is all I am saying. Along with your nuclear sabotage idea being bonkers but that is just subjective.

@ takka well us humans cant stop spreading diseases so maybe they need to ship us as weapons to planets and we can cough on all the life forms.

it's incidental to the fact that my point is the Xenomorph is a wonderously beautiful creation and a joy of creativity and originality, it has a life all it's own EVEN THOUGH IT DOES NOT IN FACT EXIST IN THIS WORLD and I am more than happy to admit that we do not know for a fact that what GIGER had in Mind when he painted it was in fact a WEAPON, or do we? I think that kind of thinking is right up GIGERs alley and it may have been EXACTLY what he PROBABLY WAS thinking...a BIO-MECHANICAL INTER-STELLAR SEXUALlY DEVIANT TERRA-FORMING WEAPON.

Personally, I think the weapon concept solves a lot of problems with them being a naturally evolved species. Through out their life cycle, they seem best adapted to prey on us. The facehugger is the perfect size for a human head, and it doesn't kill us in the process of embryo implementation. In its adult form, It's the largest size that a bipedal lifeform could be and still be able to move effortlessly throughout our structures. It can go everywhere we can go and can out run us. How many predators do you know on earth that are that well adapted to hunt us? And, I don't buy into the whole DNA sharing nonsense from later in the franchise. Pose yourself a thought problem. Try to imagine a world where this species develops naturally where its population is kept in perfect balance. Then, try to imagine what kind of animal could and would prey on this one. At the same time, try to imagine what kind of animal would be essential to its reproduction that it's predator wouldn't also eat into extinction. It's a much more difficult problem than imagining weapon. As planet sterilization weapon, it makes a lot of sense. But, it's not a general weapon. It's a specific weapons that is designed to remove one species, us, and leave the rest of the biome intact and ready to be exploited. Because it would be so specifically adapted to eat us, it's creator wouldn't even be on the menu. So, it represents no threat to them.

cant they just make the adriods sexually deviant? ill take some of those and splurge for the next day air shipping ^_^

Spartacus, I don't think we can rely on Alien Vault or other sources that related to how Scott imagined Alien over thirty years ago. Prometheus is not to Alien what the Hobbit is to the Lord of the Rings. It is normal to presume that the concept of Prometheus is the result of an entire new team. It has no sense to rely on spontanous declarations that Scott made when a Prometheus project didn't exist. And for those who insist on the weapon idea, why didn't they do a weapon that is smaller, more simple, cost-effective, less dangerous, intrusive and detectable to its creators? Like a deadly virus? The movie is about the origins of life, not the origins of means of destroying life!

I am not relying on "alien vault" the truth is what it is. Whatever man.

AND AGAIN THIS MOVIE IS ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE SPACE JOCKEY...PERIOD !

The Xeno's would have a strange time with BLUE WHALES (on the large hand)...and chipmunks (on the small hand)... or the millions of Wildebeest roaming the African plains. And a terraformer??.. I cant quite see how something 2 ft. taller than the average size man can possibly terraform a flipping PLANET. Even, if they had the most potent acidy flatulance imaginable, it would have to take eons!!.. Nope... I dont buy it. If they were conceived as a weapon, then one could only logically conclude that they were a weapon that was specifically targeted towards a HOMINID species ONLY... or more specifically... HUMANS. And I think that concept (bio-weapon) is something Scott just came up at the top of his head to differentiate himself from the crap of the '90's when many began to ask him what he would have done with the Alien "sequels". But hey, if some of diehards NEED the answer to be a "Bio-Weapon" to help you sleep at night then fine.... PETER WEYLAND DID IT!! Just because he could! OK, thats a good enough answer for me. I mean, we all now know that the crazy b-stard is THERE!... So what is he doing there!? Up to no good me thinks.

@dallas!dallas! ..... Now you're feeling my frustration with this numb nuts...... It's like debating with a chihuaha..... He flip flops on issues more than Romney.... Good luck, sir

“… I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original ‘Alien’. It’s fairly pure. And ['Prometheus'] does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one [ie. the 'Alien' xenomorph] – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?” We shouldn't interpet ad literam this passage. As i see it, Scott tries to proove how the ship in Alien can trigger new questions. He mentions his guess that xenos are weapons only to depict how, in his case, questions about the SJs appeared in his mind and why the movie Prometheus is justified. And the style in which he communicates these ideas is slightly incoherent, which makes me believe these are spontaneous, improvised ideas and not a script.

@raksasha...... Very well said in that second paragraph.... And I concur