Am I The Only One Who Hopes The Xenomorph Doesn't End Up Becoming Such A Simple

You mean the idea that the xenomorphs were created by the Space Jockeys as a sort of biological weapon? Or just that they were [i]used[/i] as weapons by the Space Jockeys?

I remember Scott talking long ago about the Alien and saying it was not educated or taught or even knew others of its species. He likened it to a child growing up on an island with no human contact ever and how it would react totally on instinct. I liked this idea, it gave a greater question as in "What would the Alien be if it were among it's own kind?" It also gives further thought then to some of Giger's Alien life cycle pictures and then the Alien turned into jumpy, crawly, insect-like lizards. Now that seemed like predicable direction and very much "on the nose"!

Either or.... Since in EVERY SINGLE 'Alien' film that's been the M.O. of the humans for the Xenomorph species, is it too much ask that the original intention behind said creatures were for something entirely different? ... Using it as a weapon is such a simple human idea and we're supposed to be giving the "jockey" race a higher caliber of thinking and evolution, so why do we pigeon hold them to the same simple ideas that we had/have as humans? ....

I agree that the xenos as weapons is not all that exciting. But don't be too hard on fanboys, it was Scott himself who said that he imagined them to be so.

Yeah, you'll have to lay the idea at the feet of Ridley Scott himself, unfortunately.

Totally there was no information or background and it was always pressumed (officially) that they were weapons. I hope they don't turn out to so as any race that can terraform a planet or manipulate or even create life would surely be able to create a species specific virus or something way more efficient!

Ridley never said they were a weapon.... Produce proof this amazing statement he made ....

[i]The film will be really tough, really nasty. It’s the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space. And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would go in and clean up a planet?[/i] - [url=http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2010/09/09/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-to-show-aliens-were-engineered-as-weapons/]Quote from Scott[/url]

@AlsoKnownAsNate There are two citations I am looking for. One is from "The Independent" , September 2010. Where he wonders why no one questions what the purpose of the xenos was. He then mentions them as being either possible weapons or planetary clean ups. There is another source I am trying to remember where Scott was even more definitive about the xenos being some kind of weapon. If anyone else can help me out . . .

@ Jim 1 00a 100 The film will be really tough, really nasty. It’s the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space. And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would go in and clean up a planet? - Quote from Scott Yup, that's one of them.

This is the point i'm trying to make..... Everyone is completely taking what Scott said and misinterpreting it.... Not once in that quote did he say "they were a weapon" or "they go and clean up planets".... He is simply asking the foundation questions that set the purpose for 'Prometheus'.... Are you guys really taking that quote as his admittance toward the Xenos being weapons? .....Find me "the other quote".... I'm loving this...this whole website is full of people interpreting quotes exactly the way they wanna hear them....

Also, when you hyperlink [url=http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2010/09/09/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-to-show-aliens-were-engineered-as-weapons/]this[/url] as your proof, make sure there isn't a question mark at the end of the article's title... That is ALWAYS a dead give away that the information you're about to read does NOT come to a definitive conclusion as a result of any quotes or information contained in the article.... They're essentially asking YOU the reader 'what do you think'.... It's an extremely old news trick to lure you into reading...... the "?" turns a statement into a question and removes all liability off the writer, because the story doesn't prove ANYTHING to which the title implies

@alsoknownasnate I always wanted to go back and make an Alien 5 or 6, where we find out where they came from and go there and answer the question, "who are they." Mars is too close so they can't be gods of war, but the theory was, in my head was, this was an aircraft carrier, a battlewagon of a civilisation, and the eggs were a cargo which were essentially weapons. So right, like a large form of bacteriological stroke bio-mechanoid warfare. Once again you can not, you just can not beat this score, it is great. And again the set is pretty spectacular really. From Ridley Scott Alien DVD 1999 I also love when people seem to know when others are just making assumptions. Fanboy I am not. Apology accepted. Now take a stress pill and relax. I enjoy working with humans.

@AlsoKnownAsNate of course he's not going to come out and say what the plot is. But he's quoted as saying - "maybe the Engineers and Gods are using them this way.." You can't see why everybody is guessing this plot device now? I agree it's tired, and I hope it's not the case, but when Scott wonders out loud about it.. Edit - and I'll add, maybe it is mis-direction (if that's what you implied). It should be

IF the xeno's were indeed a method of planetary cleanup for the Engineer's, why? Why go through all of the lengthy trouble it would amount to for them to use the xeno's this way? Imagine they want to clean up earth this way. It would take a long time to clean us out. And then what? What do the Engineer's do then? Kill the billions of xeno's? Perhaps they can control them and collect them? If they do kill the xeno's after then why not use that "killing power" to just exterminate us in the first place. Loss of SJ life in that war? Perhaps? I think perhaps the xeno's were an accidental creation... something that the crew of the prometheus did while messing around with the SJ's biological materials... hmmmmm. I just hope we get answers rather than a whole lot of ambiguity. I don't mind implication, just make it worth it!

@dallas!dallas!..... Now we're talking! ....... Touche

@alsoknownasnate And a sincere wish Scott doesn't follow up on his battleship idea!

BUT I will say this! .... If Ridley is the mind that I believe him to be, he'll take that 13 year old idea and do something more profound and interesting with it.... It won't be as 'black & white' as they are weapons.... He'd 'essentially' be killing his own babies....or what is left of their infamy. They would become background noise.

agreed!

Well, RS has a mind - but the 'guv has a Royal College of Art stroke visually-oriented mind. He's not a brilliant plotter. He's probably thinking 'bomber' because he actually got to live through bombers (born '37). So, yes, if left up to RS, there could be a bomber in the movie. ; ) The superb, crazy ideas in his films came from Dick, or the Peoples, Hjortsberg, or O'Bannon. RS just executes them brilliantly. If the writer is less brilliant, well, let's just say we get a nice looking movie, but, it could be not so mythically great. Here we have Lindelof behind the operation - so think Lost.

::buzzkill:: ie, that's what I'm afraid of

That having been said we are talking about RS who I can only imagine is a perfectionist and control freak so I would doubt that he would allow Lindelof to make anything as fluffy and full of holes as Lost... it's still RS's name on the line here.

If this movie is a prequel to the prequel of Alien, it's very possible that the crew of the Prometheus wont even make the xeno that we all know. I'm going to guess that there are many different Space Jockey's out there. Maybe we're just going to get an understanding on how the Alien could have been created, in the sense that this green goo can be used to create or mutate species in the universe. Maybe the Space Jockey from the original Alien injected some asexual species from some planet that laid eggs, and what would come out of the egg would be the same thing. Then a face hugger came out and latched on to his face, killing him. This could be why Ripley in the original Alien started to decipher the message from the derelict as a "warning" rather than a distress signal. The Jockey may have been warning his friends to stay away because he created something real bad that he didn't expect and couldn't control?

SILICA Yes. I logged off and logged back on because I just had to second Silica. I was thinking about the Scott films I worship (mainly the first four) and like (Black Rain, Matchstick Men, BHD) and for the most part, the writing is key. Duellists is based on a Balzac story, or Flaubert, one of them, Alien is O'Bannon and Company, Blade Runner from a Philly K Dick story . . . Scott is a great director when he has a great writer to bounce from. Otherwise, well, I ain't counting the days till i see Russell Crowe in a vineyard somewhere. Or Tom Berenger watching over me. Now, I can go to sleep.

: ) Yeah, I don't think his career will be destroyed if it's not great. I mean, for me, Blade Runner is possibly the greatest film ever made - at least as far as 'plot meets visuals' is concerned - what a film as a film could aspire to be. (And obviously I loved Alien, Legend and a host of his other stuff) So I respect what RS can do and his place in history is assured.

"I think the Space Jockey is actually the pilot, and he’s part of this military operation – if that’s the word you can apply to his world, and therefore this is probably some kind of carrier, a weapon carrier, a biological or biomechanoid carrier of lethal eggs, inside of which are these small creatures which will actually fundamentally integrate in a very aggressive way into any society or any place they’re dropped." –Commentary from Alien DVD of Quadrilogy Set (2003)

[b]I WANT TO START OFF BY SIMPLY SAYING THAT I LOVE THE WEAPON IDEA BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED BY TWO MEN... RIDLEY SCOTT AND H R GIGER[/b] @AlsoKnownAsNate Wrote--->[quote]....because I think the 'weapon origin' idea wreaks of fan boy creativity and even less of originality.... ....also, can we stop stating this idea as fact? ...the newbies and laments are starting to think this is true....and of course it's not only too easy of a direction to take, BUT also not very interesting, in my humble opinion, anyways.... I welcome original "outside the box" ideas....[/quote] -------------------------------------------------- My honest and humble opinion is I disagree 100% entirely and completely and as well, think this sentence, "origin' idea wreaks of fan boy creativity and even less of originality"....came off sounding like really really bad...to me at least, my original thought to tell ya the truth was really nasty. So I guess you provoked a reaction from me. I am a very creative and original idea loving guy myself and think the XENOMORPH in and off itself as it was intended and created to be is not "fanboy" or "unoriginal" or "lacking in any way in creativity or orginality" what so ever and further it is IMO incredIbly interesting and makes perfect sense and is the way it IS/was/will be and was in it's very origin intended to be. I also think people that throw around words like "Fanboy" and Newbie" while simultaneously initiating objectives that are IMO misplaced to begin to a public community at large, are deliberately attempting to provoke a reaction in me. Hey you asked for it so I gave it to you ! That's the truth, exactly how I feel about your post and your inviting my ideas about it. [b]Sorry !!![/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/sorry.gif[/img]

Nate, it possibly originated from Ripley's line in Alien as well as some hint from RS: Ripley herself says 'they must've wanted the Alien for the weapons division' when they confront the decapitated Ash. But me, I loathe the idea of them being a weapon and a 'clean-up' thingie. Reeks of war, guns and Cameron. As Nate says, I go with the more insidious and perverse genesis idea along with the companion theory of egg-morphing. A 'happy accident' is more appealing.

@ Spartacus I agree Nate could have been more politic, but i can too usually. I will say, though, that you are just wrong about the weapons thing being the way it was always intended. Read O'Bannon's original script and nowhere is the alien as weapon of some higher race even hinted. In fact, it is pretty clear that the way it was originally intended was that the signal was sent from the space jockey that landed on the planet (bad luck) and happened upon a pyramid belonging to an entirely different race that worshiped the alien. Whether or not the worshipers were still around or not is a bit unclear. And even in the Giler/Hill rewrite, Ash describes the SJs as a noble race that tried to warn others away. Scott is talking about his opinion that formed sometime during or even after filming. So it is going way too far to say that is how they were always meant, as weapons.