Prometheus concept and xenomorph origins: stronger emphasis on psychology than w

rakshasa
MemberOvomorphApril 21, 20121453 Views27 Replies
Maybe the goo from the urns has the capacity to materialize the thoughts, emotions, desires, fears of an intelligent being, turning these into matter. The telescope from the SJ chair is a tool used by him to channel and project at long distances his reason and desire in order to terraform, create life, materialize the goo in a rational order of things. The urns are placed around a stone head, meaning that they are inactive as the stone head symbolizes the absence of thoughts, desires, etc. But then intelligent (human) beings come near the urns. The wall with the shifting images is a detector/indicator of their psychological operations. The mural reproduces representations of the humans' fears, emotions, imagination. But humans are not so disciplined and able to control their thoughts and emotions as the SJs. On an alien planet, because their lack of knowledge, humans' psychic is dominated by fears and thoughts of terrifiying creatures, a disturbed imagination amplified by a surrounding unfamiliar to them. Hence an alien is born, bearing corresponding to man's most repressed fears and representations: the chestburster is a phallic creature, the facehugger "rapes" and impregnates, its blood is all-consuming, the two moths makes it all-devouring, the lack of eyes means it has no soul etc.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done." Must add that "Word" is a translation for the hebrew "wisdom" or the greek "logos", meaning reason.
April 21, 2012
I can tell you've been celebrating 4/20. All kidding aside, this is a great concept. I hope this movie winds up being more a psychological thriller than an action movie. This idea that the goo is just a tool to create life as one imagines it is great, and would really lend credence to the idea that the SJs are "gods". Humans are created in the image of the SJ. Aliens are a construct from deeply repressed human fears.
From the trailers, it's obvious that the SJs and humans are at odds. Perhaps the humans learn to use the SJ's goo against them. They wind up using it to create an abomination to kill the SJs. They unleash the prototypical facehuggers/aliens on the SJs to win and what you see in the original Alien is the aftermath of this confrontation.
April 21, 2012
I love it.
I don’t think I buy the, "humans manifesting the alien out of their neuroses", [not for [i]this[/i] film], but, for some reason, I am absolutely [i]convinced[/i] there will be some element of consciousness-projection, or telekenesis in this.
For that reason, I also believe that Head is significant far beyond being there to just to cast dramatic shadows.
We are conditioned to read something like Head as representational – perhaps it isn’t representational, or at least not exclusively.
Perhaps it is at least as functional a tool or machine as a computer or turbine would be in our culture.
I like the first half, a lot.
One of the most interesting and mature proposals I've read on here.
April 21, 2012
I hope there is really no that kind of things .... that will ruin everything for me ( even if i respect the idea ) . I hate psychological horrors or monsters ...i did hate Event Horizon for that ... i hate all the japanese psychological thrillers ...give me real aliens ... Alien did work because it rappresented REAL people against a REAL beast ...primal fears , real situations , real thinking
April 21, 2012
I like the idea of what the telescope is used for but this is a scary idea. Did anyone watch Sphere recently, which explored these idea. If Prometheus is like Sphere I will be disappointed. The reason I am thinking about this as there are many set similarities between what we have seen of Prometheus and Sphere. The area in Prometheus where the spacesuits are hung is identical to Sphere's room where the diving suits are. Almost a perfect copy:-( Still very optimistic about Prometheus.
April 21, 2012
Frantz and Anotherglo...
I find it different from the Sphere and Event Horizon . In both these films, the apparitions on the sub and the ship were conditioned by the presence of an object/entity. In the case of Prometheus, i believe that apparitions continue to exist even in the absence of the goo, they are not just an illusion, they are a real, physical creation, which leads to a physical, not just psychological conflict. They become real, they are transported to another planet. And since the movie is about the origins of life on earth, i offered an explanation for the way life may be created out of nothing (see the excerpt from the Bible i mentioned at the end of my initial post), although i can;t say what are the origins of goo and SJs. Maybe a sequel will shed some light into this direction :)
April 21, 2012
Respect to your theory rakshasa, i liked very much your description/interpretation of the key features from the Alien creatures.
Very good!
April 21, 2012
This theory is wonderful and original... now there is finally something that I will be disappointed if the film doesn't go that way.
The whole Alien being a manifestation of base fear is genius this theory fits with the whole Shaw and her distress over losing her farther. Scott and others disgust what the Alien was while making the film (this I saw long ago)... they all agreed that it could only be a demon, and that fits very well too. Whatever you believe a demon can only be pictured with the help of imagination and fear (or knowledge). This idea fits so well to all the things I have heard over the years... if the film does not do this I would take that idea (if I were a lesser man) and base a book or story on it!
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April 21, 2012
i would imagine the film wouldn't go along these lines, it would be likely that a large portion of a prospective audience wouldn't get it at all, and the project would lose money, plus the more exposition a film has, for many it is less exciting. Alien doesn't really have a lot of exposition, it's more in the vein "show me, don't tell me". Most of the psychological theory would go over the dumbos heads.
Regarding the origins of the Alien/xeno, to me it seems to be a hybrid of machine and animal, which points to David. The only way he will father anything.
If we meet our creators maybe that sparks an interest in the act of creation itself for David, and the only chance he has is by using the technology stolen from the Engineers? Having an android in the original alien was a cool idea, but its been done to death in the alien sequels, i can only imagine having one in this movie is due to it being a large part of the driving force of the story arc.
I'm intrigued that as far as we know we are unsure about the final act of the film, which is pretty cool considering its not far off from release date now.
April 21, 2012
That's a very interesting concept rakshasa, and well put i like it and i think it could possibly be embellished in part especially from a raw dna source.
What makes it equally interesting is that if a fraction of what you say is interpreted that way its coming from an agnostic director in ridley scott. Very interesting thread i like it.
April 21, 2012
@ [b]rakshasha -[/b] I don't seem to recall this notion being brought up here before...and while it kinda reminds me of the similar shennanigans in EVENT HORIZON and SPHERE as others have mentioned, I'd personally be disappointed if things go down this kind of route. In fact, this outcome would be somewhat similar to the 'monster from the id' coming to life suddenly, as was conceived by the excellent classic FORBIDDEN PLANET...
It's not long now before we all see what the writers have come up with...but I'd far rather that any horrors in this particular movie were the product of ACTUAL otherworldly evolution/or genetic manipulation due to an unknown race, rather than some mysterious manifestation that appears suddenly in the 'real' world brought about through our 'human thoughts/fears'...
FORBIDDEN PLANET's underground 'Krell' technology is still a blast to watch however.
April 21, 2012
yes this would be similar to Sphere, but more so to the blueprint for this idea: Solaris (the older of you may know that there was a russian movie depicting the story before the Geoge Clooney' s one).
Interesting idea, but I think Scott isn' t going along these lines.
April 21, 2012
@Cervantes ...
Damn you beat me to it ... agree totally with you ...
I do like the original posted theory a lot ... but the idea of thoughts and fears materialising from any Humann memory is not a new concept ... re: Cervantes movie list above ...
I would not like to see that in this movie ... we've had mind probing not so long ago? ... SUPER 8? ...
Great idea ... I'm not slating it ... just my humble opnion ;) ...
April 21, 2012
Very cool ideas there, I was thinking that David is the catalyst in this. If the tech is thought controlled then the SJs would have extremely organized minds unlike us, whereas David is a robot governed by Human programming and concepts so he might be the connection. We often see stories where robots take human concepts too literally with disastrous results also imbuing mechanical constructs with feelings seems to me to be a paradoxical problem how does one quantify feelings like love or fear without using other feeling to express them. Prometheus was punished because he took fire and gave it to us even though from the gods point of view we were not yet ready for that knowledge maybe David is like the Fire.
dunno im getting bit out of my league with this.
April 21, 2012
I do like the OP's thoughts, and it fits with what I was eventually going to get at with my CHAIR MECHANISM TOPIC from a week or two ago.
Some have stated the chair is a cannon that shoots EGGS!! What? NO!
I think It is a cannon of a sort, but it doesnt lauch urns or eggs, but "molecular material" that seeds "LIFE" by acting as a catalyst of a sort... They did not make things ONE AT A TIME from an individual egg, but seeded these molecular building blocks of life into the waters and the oceans of various worlds. That is how you would accomplish what they were doing on a global scale.
Think of early life rising out of the primordial ooooz... crawling forth from the "waters" if you will.. I think that is part of the meaning of the Saucer scene with our "modern man" forming by the Waterfall.
April 21, 2012
i think the primordial ooze was probably long before the blue man at the waterfall.....and if they were able to make life through a long range "lifey-gun" then they wouldn't need to send a humungous flying saucer over to wave back to Mr Blue.
i would imagine, as its in the star mapping room, to be a gun or telescope.
I'm guessing they have long lifespans, if not immortality, and know that creating inteligent life takes a lot of time for its full evolution into something that can have a technology capable of space travel, with the invitation only extending to the front door so to speak, the portal being behind that front door.
April 21, 2012
I didnt mean that literally...
The Engineers did NOT create the UNIVERSE... they are merely a species that evolved to the point that they could meddle and tinker in the development of other LIFE.
That Waterfall scene is at MOST 100,000 years in the past... Not millions or Billions... Thats not what I meant.
But I think WATER is a key element in the equation.