Aliens - Another Conspiracy

he is right tho,because how would they know when to send the marines in the company would have know because they sent the all there to be slaughtered to see how theses things move or how there made because in the 4th one they knew how to get the aliens in side a host. i believe the xenomorphs to be an experiment that an advanced aliens have made that's gone wrong & wipe out there race, this experiment has survived, it uses the hosts DNA & mutates the host to what you see as the xenomorph, i think the origins of the xenomorph came from a human host from the very beginning because of the way they look in body wise, because they seem to have the human instinct intelligence.reason why i say this is by looking at the trailer of prometeus it seem to look that way to me.

I agree, [b]PLEASE LETS GET FRANTZ IN HERE AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER...LMFAO!!![/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1sherly.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1A1cloey.jpg[/img]

By the way Snorky I think the company would have done that {Tried to obtain the/a/many specimen{s}} even without Burke. They were going to do it no matter what all along.

My main point of the thread is the Cameras, surely W-Y would have been recieving the footage, would explain how the USM knew so much in Alien Rez.

I have sad that for 30+ years now hahaha but yea man I agree completely.

I even suspect one or more of the droids were fitted with them...but that's not canon and was never mentioned, just my own assumption.

So when Burke told Ripley they had lost communication with LV-426, he was being told a lie by the company? Or, perhaps they did finally lose communication (I recall it taking two weeks for transmissions to get from one point to the other), but not before seeing enough via the CCTV feeds travelling through the "network" to know that the shake-n-bake was nice and golden crusted ready to pull out of the oven.

Too elaborate for me. Why would you send marines and Ripley and try to bring some back when A) it would be easier to go there and study them B) you could send some unarmed scientist or other mules To get infected You could always put a bullet in the back of Ripleys head so she isn't around to spill the beans instead of sending her along

Snorky, Oh No you didn't you aren't stealing my thunder damn it ! ! ! ! ! I said that how many months ago THEY ALWAYS KNEW ! They = The company. LOL Rick

The company seemed in pretty much denial of the existence of any such bug and I don't think feeds of the derelict in Alien made it to the network (or even if it had, they were forgotten because if it had, they would have had HH-ers expedition the area much sooner). This was a case of the freak chance of a survivor of the missing Nostromo making it back to Earth (BTW, the salvagers that found her - why didn't they just shut off her cryo-chamber and get their salvage rights? These guys must have been space samaritan salvagers I guess) allowing the company to put pieces of the puzzle together (since I'm sure they did have Nostromo transmissions concerning the signal and possibly even footage from helmet cams and even the med-bay) and Burke nudges them into letting him join not to mention the lost signal from the colony. Then Burke, it seems, is thinking about his "percentage" all along. Not to say that anyone in Burke's position wouldn't have done the same thing being a company man and all. I just hope Burke wasn't killed immediately, but got the "full treatment" (cocooned, face-hugged, chow-mein, chest-bursted).

Abor, If you recall once Ripley gave them the coordinates of where they set down when Burke debriefed her, Burke sent them out there right away and if you don't recall the two guys complaining about some "honch" at a desk says go to check a grid reference, we go, we don't ask why because the answer always is "don't ask" This to me means they've been hunting for the ship for a really, really long time they just had no idea where to go. This is too coincidental that she comes back and then they can't get a response from the colony. Regards, Rick

@ TNLV426 - Why send the Nostromo in 2122? - Something or someone (this hasn't been answered yet) has obviously denied the company to directly acquire the specimen they desire, hence all the sneaking around. Ripley was sent because she knew their dirty little secret, and wouldn't play ball. Burke was sent to serve the companies interest and gather any specimens he could (Bishops statement about the Facehuggers, Burkes attempt to facehug Ripley and Newt). Marines were sent to ensure Burkes security and to maintain cover of a search and rescue mission for the colonists. ...IMO when they said they had lost contact with the colony they were lying, they knew the colonists had all (except Newt) been processed by the Xenomorphs, and thus would not answer any radio calls, thus supporting their story that contact had been lost. Also, IMO, once the USS Sulaco had been launched the vessel from Alien 3 was put on a state of readiness to intercept the Sulaco upon its return to acquire the specimens before they returned to Earth. Remember that the colony still had power when the marines arrived and the transmitter was still operational, even after the xenos cut the power. The company had the footage, which would be almost as valuable as the specimen itself.

@snorkelbottom Great point. That's just what I was going to say, in different words of course. Ripely knew the creatures well enough to give intel to ensure a safer trip. Burke is just expendable. They only needed him long enough to get the embryos back. He could have died before the trip home and the marines would have had no clue that Ripley and Newt were even carrying them, they would have been frozen for the trip. Like Ripley said, Burke could have made up any story and if he died the company could have made up a story. Marines were expendable as well. It all adds up. They could have gone anywhere with the story and fill in the blanks to make sense of it all. I think Prometheus will explain how the Xenomorph was created. In the first Alien, the Space Jockey had a broken chest cavity and Dallas said that it was if it exploded from within, which could be the effect of a chestburster. Then directly next to the remains is a hole which is obviously created by acid. My guess is a queen alien chestated in that space jockey. It then nested at the bottom of that hole where Kane found all the Eggs. All makes sense. I believe that the SOS or warning that they investigated in the first Alien is sent to them directly following events from Prometheus. The company finds out about the Xenomorph by the end of Promethues. That's how the two movies will link, I think.

I wonder if Burke imagined he was sent by the company on a basic suicide mission? I mean how would he even survive to bring back specimens to Earth? If he was aware of his chances for surival, he truely is/was an idiot!

@freeze him I don't think he was an idiot. He was obviously under the impression he was safe. He had grade A marines to keep him safe in his mind. I don't think he had a clue he would die. He probably felt safe. However he was as crazy as the company though. I think he wanted the xenos as much as the company itself. The payoff would have been worth the risk. He would have been rich if successful. Now as far as how much Burke knew is a different story. I think he knew everything. He knew that the face hugged implanted the embryo. He was smart enough to be involved in the companies agenda to recover the specimen.

Vid, Although great points and speculation, I depart with you in the idea that the original Alien SJ chestated a queen that created Kane's hole laying all those eggs. I believe it is well established that the SJ craft was a bomber carrying the bio-weapon eggs (thus the mist alarm in case something in the hold hatched prematurely) to planet unknown (quite posssibly Earth from after the Prometheus movie, we'll see), but it is to be noted that the SJ was "fossilized" into his seat. How long does it take to become "fossilized" like that. IMO, I'd say in the order of tens of thousands of years making the SJ ship on LV-426 completely unrelated to the SJ ship (or ships) we see on LV-223. I may be totally off-base here, but this is my two-cents, be they right, wrong or something in between (nothing invested here but fun speculation).

Ok guys, Here is a discussion on this subject from back in the day: [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1337]Corporate Behind the Scenes[/url] Regards, Rick

Here is a thought-why would Burke be the go to guy?He was a douchebag,or seemed like one.I think he was more or less a pee on but he gave orders' to the colonists,de-briefed Ripley,sat in board meetings and travelled with the Marines.He was a mysterious character in some ways,but was over-shadowed by the actions of the Marines.A weird thought-Burke,on film,did not have his death filmed,he opened a door and saw a Xeno.Could he have been a robot that planted the egg on the Suraco?

Okay, a lot to catch up on here... @ abordoli - I agree with the fact that the Xenomorph that was born from the Space Jockey was not a Queen. The Derelict was a bomber (Ridleys words not mine) carrying a cargo of Xenomorph eggs, which in all likelyhood had been collected from another planet where the Xenomorph had been dispatched (drop eggs - Xenomorph does its thing - uses up all suitable hosts - dies - only the eggs remain - pick up eggs). Either en-route home or to another world where it would dispatch the eggs the pilot fell foul to its own cargo and the Derelict ended up on LV-426. But, regards Fossilization - The Space Jockey in the Derelict was not fossilized. Fossilization occurs when a plant or animals remains are covered in layers of sediment, which over the course of millenia turns to rock, crushing the remains and replacing the organic components with minerals. This is not what happened to the Space Jockey. I know Dallas says that it looks fossilized, but think about it for a second - Dallas was a careless, incompetent captain of a rusting tugboat, not a scientist. When he saw the Space Jockey he interpreted what he saw as the skeletal remains of a long dead alien creature and claimed it to be fossilized, because his ignorant point of view (as with most people) was that it was a fossil because it looked like the fossils of dinosaurs seen in most natural history museums. Also. looking at the Space Jockey suit in Prometheus, the one in Alien was decayed, not fossilized (buried in rock), not petrifed (a la Pompei), not mummified (dried up of all internal fluids), but [b]DECAYED[/b]. Also one of the points thrown regards the fossilization angle is that the Derelict would have been there millions of years. If so how can the eggs last that long, and if the Derelict and its cargo of Alien eggs where there for millions of years how could you then argue that the Alien is created in Prometheus. @ Mlb127 - Burke. Burke would have been on a need to know basis by his employer, Weyland-Yutani. Ultimately he was expendable. Regards the rescue mission - Ripley was an itch to be dealt with, ideally by becoming host to the creature (which she ultimately was in Alien 3), the Marines were expendable security to ensure success of the mission, and Burke was the expendable asset whom would either give them what they wanted or be seen as company liasion, because the company funded colonization and manufactured the atmosphere processors. If Burke was successful the company would get their prize, hopefully at the cost of Ripleys life, if not it was a failed rescue mission that fell foul to a faulty nuclear reactor. Also original Jim Cameron intended to show Burkes fate - while searching for Newt in the Alien Hive Ripley came across Burke cocooned in resin up against the wall. Burke, awake tells Ripley he can feel it (a chestburster) moving inside his chest. Ripley hands Burke a grenade and walks off.

Complete brain lock

@snorklebottom Sorry mate I still need a bit of convincing. You are right that the company knew something about the alien. The company clearly new about the derelict which is why they redirected the Nostromo and replaced Ash as the science officer at the last moment. Ash before he is turned off says the company had decoded the signal and were aware it was a warning. He also says the SJs were a noble race and picked up the eggs by accident. In the book it never mentioned the SJ was fossilized but it does say the warning had been playing for centuries. LV426 is around 40 light years away and Prometheus is set 30 years before. Therefor the SJ warning signal wont reach Earth for another 10 years. For me there is no point in try to connect the derelict to Prometheus because the time frames do not match up no matter how you try and fudge it. If the company had the exact location of the derelict they could have sent anyone there at any time. Would it really be feasible that they are so desperate to get their hands on a xeno that they wait 57 years to do it? No. I believe it was Dallas who took the SJ warning signal with him so they probably searched but were unable to find the derelict and in the process found LV426 and thought it would be worth terraforming. The whole point of the company is they want a xeno to study. LV426 has around 150 of them running around laying eggs and terraforming the colony with their own unique black goo secretions. Surely that would be way more interesting than having a specimen in a lab.

@ TNLV426 - Ash was the only member of the crew who had any knowledge of what was really going on. Dallas was just following company legislation. Remember - Special Order 937 was Science Officers Eyes Only, and Ash replaced the Nostromo's Science Officer at Thedus, just before the mission. The Signal was clearly being transmitted by the Derelict, they used it to triangulate the source and thus discovered the Derelict. Also the signal would have most likely have been picked up by another vessel travelling nearby and when W-Y listens to a recording they probably realise it is from the same species encountered in Prometheus. The terraforming of LV-426 was a cover for their real agenda. At some point between 2122 and 2179 the Derelict must have stopped transmitting, therefore a colony was established in the hope of discovering the Derelict and its cargo. If a bunch of tugboat operators, one of their own and a team of colonial marines are considered expendable, then so too would be over 70 families of civilians. Ash mentions nothing about the SJ's or the eggs in the film, and the book cannot be used as a source because it is an adaptation of unfinished product, as is any novelisation of a movie.

@snorklebottom you're up early, I thought you were in the US. I guess ultimately neither of us are wrong, we are both back-filling a story to suite out our needs and understanding. I'm sure when Alien was made there was no thoughts on a prequel so for the next 50 days we have free reign over how the story will begin. What matters I guess is what road RS has taken.

I am in the UK, its 4.30 here. IMO another film within the Alien franchise needs to be made set directly after Alien 3, but showing events (possibly in flashback) that affect and are related to the first 3 films while at the same time setting up the events of resurrection, and opening the way for more films. in fact I am actually collating such a synopsis.

Snorkler, You better use my tie-in from January. Rick

I've slept since then Rick, you'll have to gimme a reminder.

[b]BOOYAAAAH I GOT IT MEN !!![/b] When Bishop was preparing to crawl down the service tunnel to pilot the dropship down, he told Ripley that it would take (in total) approx 3 hours. Earlier in the movie, it was established that the place was going to blow up in approx 4 hours. This left Bishop an extra hour during which he could have: fetched 2 eggs and hidden them. While Ripley was rescuing Newt, Bishop could've then returned to pick up the eggs and put them in the drop ship. He'd then fly back to pick up Ripley and give some bogus story to cover up why he was late.

You are all approaching this from the wrong angle. The question you should ask is what was the purpose of creating the colony ? The suggestion was made throughout Aliens, that Burke was given the information about Ripley, he investigated it, found out about the creature and sent the colonists to find the ship, so that HE and no one else in the company could make millions. So I think that blows the entire lets build a colony and make them hosts for the aliens theory out of the water. My thought is that the Nostromo lands on LV-426, Ash does his scientific analysis of the planet, they find some mineral or minerals that they could mine, and on the way back to Earth, Ash transmits that information. The company picks it up and decides they could build a mining colony there.

There's one hole in that theory of how they knew about the Queen in Alien 3 Snork, that is to say there was a communication from the Company saying that they received the EEV Medscan data. Thats how they knew she had it in her............. Or are you saying that they knew of the Queen variety of Alien from the cameras? Not the fact that Ripley had one in her?

What I am am saying Cypher is that because of the CCTV cameras throughout Hadley's Hope W-Y would have seen the Xenomorph infestation take place and therefore will have undoubtabley caught footage of the Queen. Therefore, when they recieved Ripleys medscan data from the EEV, they would have compared it to the medscan data from the Nostromo and realised that Ripley was incubating a Queen Embryo, thus ordering the W-Y vessel assigned to pick up Ripley to hasten its journey, their prize in reach.