Ridley Scott Ends 33+ year debate over Derelict & Eggs !

i see you went with #4

@ BD... 5. The Derelict is like an intergalatic kinder egg.

my joke falls on deaf ears, my stand-up career ends before it begins. 6. i dunk my head in a barrel of whiskey and play "what movie? whats a movie again? i need more whiskey"

Snorkelbottom, I dispute your examples: a) Bio-mechanic, host eliminating aliens. I have made my thoughts about this "bio-mechanoid" babble in [url=http://www.m.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1424&page=1]this thread[/url]. I don´t think this is unnaturalistic, since all life is bio-mechanical in essence. b) FTL travel with no time dilation. No proof of this; besides, in this case hypersleep wouldn´t be necessary. c) Synthetics mistaken for humans. What´s the problem? Do you see gigantic spacefaring refinaries floating around? AI is right into the range of possibilites of our own technology. d) acid for blood. Again, weird but not beyond possibilites. Life on Earth display´s weirdest things. And remember that the very xeno lifecycle was inspired by the behaviour of some wasps. e) No heat effect upon entering a planets atmosphere. The fact that this was not displayed in "Alien" doesn´t mean it isn´t there. At the time, Scott used only practical effects, and this is the kind of effect that would very difficult to display without CGI _ as most fireball´s are created nowadays. Last: "facts"? There are no "facts" here. We have the fact that Scott choose to recreate the past with a novel interpretation. Nice, and I hope this works well in Prometheus, but this don´t change the REAL fact that Scott will try to disguise a continuity problem with new narrative. Disclaimer: I´m a fan as anybody here, but I don´t accept the words of Scott as the Revelation. He is human, has human purposes, and some of them could go in the general direction of disguising some problems... Cheers!

Its a bomber carrying eggs, end of. The dimensions of the egg chamber are irrelevant in light of the official announcement, the Space Jockeys obviously have access to technology similar to Doctor Who, big deal.

the complete lack of sense of humor makes me 60% want to kill myself and 40% not even bother posting anymore as a living person. my fuel tank of "give a crap gas" is almost out... ugh im dying, its so painful... please... someone with a sense of humor... please.... help me..... still dying... *[b]GASP[/b]* im blacking out.... [b]PLEASE![/b]

Oh no. What will this forum do without your masturbation "jokes" and your endless I wish I had a lifesize anatomically correct Commander Data dildo comments. Oh well.. see ya.

the forum would deal the same way it would without one less "up my own well used expeltive" canadian tool. (thats you by the way) [img]http://www.gifmania.co.uk/South-Park/Terrance_and_Philliphs/mehr66.gif[/img]

[quote]@ BD... 5. The Derelict is like an intergalatic kinder egg.[/quote] LOL

Yep.. your usual classy self. You have the most vulgar mouth of anyone here.

oy i got censored? wtf? and yeah canada phil-atio, i have a dirty mouth and my bf has never complained about it ~_^ apparently that bothers you that a woman has more brass nads then you do? maybe you should so some soul searching to a sad song like "dust in the wind".

I wish I had time to address this post now, but I just got up and have to go' "do "in order to "have"...a full days work, in other words. But when I return, I'm certain to lose whatever charm I have, because in my mind.. centrosphere.....Kane....artyoh..... You guys are in the ballpark with me. And we make sense. Be back later.

i hope u have a nice day war :)

LOLZ!! Please... Not that its any of you business, but I am a self-employed custom integrator and I own 2 homes. It would be a COLD DAY IN HELL before someone the likes of you could ever make me feel like a pathetic failure. The fact that you think YOUR brand of humor is flipping hilarious while I have seen you shoot down others in here with foul mouthed vulgarities was the point I was making... but of course that is lost on someone like you. : ) Keep on staying your brand of classy!

@belladonna" yea man, I look at it this way.. lucky for you it was by a friendly and somewhat more tolerant Canadian this morning...we have to be careful of our language because truth be known we have to keep up appearances in order to be taken as viable web site with credibility, and in today's world whether we think someone deserves it or not, we have to be respectful, but it's a cool policy man, because it takes a lot of restraint to hold back and sometimes in life too, so it is also good practice for real life. But in the and it really is nothing personal I am just doing my job properly out of respect for BugHunter and this community.

[b]Can't wait to hear your thoughts Forever War...Hurry Home after work back to us... LOL.[/b] "Forever War" wrote->[quote]I wish I had time to address this post now, but I just got up and have to go' "do "in order to "have"...a full days work, in other words. But when I return, I'm certain to lose whatever charm I have, because in my mind.. centrosphere.....Kane....artyoh..... You guys are in the ballpark with me. And we make sense. Be back later.[/quote]

SO ... why can't the 'original' Derelict be HUGE in size ... because it is a bomber ... therefore the new 'Croissant' is small because it is NOT the same one and so not a bomber ... hence smaller? ... it could be just a cruise ship ... are we the only species to have different size vehicles? ... Sod the internal dimension law of the 'old' Derelict because (for me) I dispel the internal size due to the (now) fact it is a bigger ship and it's carrying 'cargo' ... If you watch Alien and notice how SMALL they are when they approach the Derelict ... look at the size of that ship compared to the one in Prometheus ... it's nearly twice the height for starters ... so that's good enough for me :) ...

I know "scale" was a big issue for "RS"...remember he had to get his sons Jake and Luke to wear custom made smaller Nostromo suits in the Space Jockey scene just to get the scale right for that shot.

^^^ Yes... In the original... the ship proportions are huge.. and the dead Jockey dwarfs the crew.. It is at least 15' or 16' tall. Dallas literally has to climb up the side of the chair. Thankfully, there will no longer be any of these "They ARE on LV426" posts, or the "eggs are ON the planet" and the "ship landed on a pyramid" nonsense! RS has now once and for all confirmed that the EGGS where inside the ship IN the Cargo bay beneath the chair, and that the pilot deliberately forced landed on a DEAD MOON to protect his fellow "Jockeys" from something that had been unexpectedly unleashed!

Well we have not really had the main answers yet.... Ridley had said before and hinted that the Derelict was maybe just a bomber, and the eggs was its cargo. All he has done in that interview is clarify what he said before and that is the Derelict was carrying a Cargo of Eggs, the Bomber situation may not mean Bomber in the normal sence. Just the ships purpose is hinted that it takes this Cargo of Bio Weapon Eggs to a destination that it wants to wipe out its indigenous life. So the above as been confirmed but we kinda knew this years ago. Then we have the Space Jockey with a hole in his chest, now we knew from what happened to Kane, that pretty much something simular has happened to the Pilot in that chair. Now Ridley in that interview has finally admited that yes, something from the Cargo had got to the Pilot. The only real revelations Ridley has come out with recently is the Derelict he said he always considered it to had parked. Now i said on the thread about Parked Derelict a while ago, that to me it seem more like a unplanned Stop kind of not a crash, but not a planned plain sailing landing. But more of a Emerency messure, most likely due to something getting lose on the ship. Ridley has pretty much confirmed the above, in that latest interview. The other interesting things was he said the Derelict is Millions of years old, that does not imply its been on LV426 for Millions of years. But he also hinted that, what if the Ship had landed on LV426 before the creation of man. So this gives us even more questions than answers that hopefully we will find out about. So the questions we now have are... 1) How was the Xeno Created and how long ago? 2) How long had the Derelict been on LV426 prior to Alien? 3) What was the indended purpose of the Weapon? 4) Where was the indended destination of the Derelict on LV426? These are four questions regarding the Derelict and its Cargo in Alien. These revelations will lead to these questions also. a) What killed the Jockeys the crew of Prometheus come across and how long ago? b) What does Ridley mean when the movie is how the Daddy meets Mommy, if the Xeno and Eggs was created many many years prior to the events of Prometheus? c) Did they use the Xeno on Earth at some point? If the Xeno and Derelict was created/landed way before the year 2090 then that would add a different view on the last 8 mins of the movie as being a flash back. Maybe the Jockey tells the story to Shaw or David. Maybe it points to the Xeno used to wipe out some life on Earth so the Jockey could seed the Earth with new life and create us and thus we will see the explantion of events to the Derelict in Alien and the begining of time scene (Water Fall). Dont forget some Ancient UFO/Creator theories are that the Aliens/Gods had to wipe out the Dinosaurs and other creatures so they could terraform the planet so mankind could thrive. Maybe thats the purpose and plot of the Xeno. We have to ask, why do the Jockeys now want to wipe out their creation?

@CanadaPhil Yes thats a good point and pretty much like my theory i posted a few times, that makes sence if you conclude when Ridley says this movie is how the Mommy meets Daddy to. 1) Be not about the Xeno Organism but something new. 2) Nothing to do with Shaws baby. I did think maybe the Jockeys little creation/bio weapon got out of hand and nearlly killed all of them off. So kind of like Resident Evil movies, say they make another where they finally contain the T-Virus but instead of destroy it they think it could come in handy and that by putting the remainder of it on a ship and set it down on the Moon is a way to perserve their Virus for future use, while eradicating any threat that would happen if it was stored on Earth.

Man, I love being right. I should have archived all my posts, for bragging rights heheh.

Returning from this morning.. As I said in brief earlier today, in this post I see centrosphere, Kane77, artyoh, and Frantz all touching on my reaction to Ridley Scotts interview, in particular, centrosphere's entire 5:54 AM post. When I came away from seeing Alien in 1979, my thoughts and theories concerning the derelict ship went in several directions. For me, that created a conflict : they couldn't all be right and with that realization I am convinced to this very day that there exists no clear answer as to the nature or purpose of that ship. Alien exists as a self contained document and by that I mean that what you see on the screen is all there is to it. No amount of after the fact comments can change it from what it is..... into what someone supposedly meant it to be. So I have to reject Ridleys interview purporting to explain the derelict. I dont accept artistic license in reverse...that's introducing facts into evidence after the fact, that is classic evolving rationale solely for the purpose of providing a new alternate reality despite one already in existence. To me, Ridley Scott is the preeminent living film director on the planet, bar none. Just because he has a rather wild and obvious touch of blarney in him doesnt take him down a notch in my book. Even when years after making Blade Runner, suddenly out of the blue, Deckard is a replicant. It goes without saying what Harrison Ford's reaction to that what was. That is just but one example I have observed over the years, and it has a lot of company. I admire Ridley's nerve and business saavy as much as I admire his talent and vision. I havent a doubt in the world that Prometheus will be great.

Returning from this morning.. As I said in brief earlier today, in this post I see centrosphere, Kane77, artyoh, and Frantz all touching on my reaction to Ridley Scotts interview, in particular, centrosphere's entire 5:54 AM post. When I came away from seeing Alien in 1979, my thoughts and theories concerning the derelict ship went in several directions. For me, that created a conflict : they couldn't all be right and with that realization I am convinced to this very day that there exists no clear answer as to the nature or purpose of that ship. Alien exists and has existed since it was made as a complete, self contained expression of art of the highest order. No comments or discussion can change it from what it is....into something that somebody meant it to be or something that it should have been. It is what it is. I don't accept artistic license in reverse, that is introducing facts into evidence AFTER the fact, a classic ever-changing and evolving rationale designed solely to replace an existing reality with that of one with no relation to the former. What is it that they say in the UK...? BOLLOCKS Ridley Scott is the preeminent living director on the planet, bar none. I admire his talent and vision as much as I admire his business saavy, which I believe is at the root of this tendency for blarney on display now. I don't buy his explanations about Alien. But I'll sure as hell buy a ticket for Prometheus..probably two. Have at it, party people :)

Lethal cargo, ok... i'll take it.

[b]SWEETLY DONE "i LIKE IT... A LOT..."[/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1A1LOT.gif[/img]

Aww what the hell, I'm still flying Bell JetRangers while everybody else jumped on Eurocopters...whaddya gonna do..I yam what I yam

Snorkelbottom, "[i]Its a bomber carrying eggs, end of. The dimensions of the egg chamber are irrelevant in light of the official announcement, the Space Jockeys obviously have access to technology similar to Doctor Who, big deal[/i]." Sorry, but this sounds like a display of papal authority. This is an especulative forum, we are talking about works of fiction. We all have our preferences about how to consider style and narrative coherence. I think we should have the right to dissent _ EVEN from Scott himself who has creative freedom of course but also his commercial (and confessed) constraints and interests. So, maybe we agree in disagree.

Snorkelbottom, "[i]Its a bomber carrying eggs, end of. The dimensions of the egg chamber are irrelevant in light of the official announcement, the Space Jockeys obviously have access to technology similar to Doctor Who, big deal[/i]." Sorry, but this sounds like a display of papal authority. This is an especulative forum, we are talking about works of fiction. We all have our preferences about how to consider style and narrative coherence. I think we should have the right to dissent _ EVEN from Scott himself who has creative freedom of course but also his commercial (and confessed) constraints and interests. So, maybe we agree in disagree.

I love how topics like this are so lively, fresh and debated as if Alien was released last summer. THIS is what is SOOO great about Alien. It is so extremely subject to interpretation through the prism of the viewer's mind (intellect, experiences, etc.). It is amazing to see a 33 year-old movie still having this lasting power of simply being what it intended to be.....mysterious. I personally have nothing invested in one side of a debate or another. I simply enjoy the never-ending speculation, analysis, re-analysis, re-speculation that still exists around THIS powerhouse of a masterpiece in movie-making. I just hope that I can continue to stay this way and not get locked into one side being the absolute only way/explanation for something. Remember that Alien is meant to be mysterious and confusing. That is how the crew felt and that is how the director wanted the audience to feel. I have no doubt that RS is "winging it" now just as he was "winging it" 33 years ago. RS and Co aren't thinking about these things even 10% of what some here are straining to reconcile. I say......just go with it....enjoy the ride......and have fun.

Exactly.

abordoli, I agree almost 100% with you. Maybe 99%... Of course you´re right in that we have different expectations and experiences here. I see things thru the eyes of someone who study the movie industry. That´s why sometimes I have to struggle with myself to not forget that this is not a professional forum but a fan forum. That said, I think that the works of the true fan sometimes amalgamate with the ones of the movie scholar. The fact is that the making of "Alien" is fully documented, the story about the Pyramid and it´s demise is widely known, and also are the compromises Scott and the screenwriters had to accomodate due to budget restrictions. There are many strange ways by which the hardness of doing real things influences with the world of fantasy, and movie budget restraints that change the movie script is one of the most subtle ones _ but it´s there anyway. The documented facts above, that happened 33 years ago, are the main reason (in addition to the purely geometrical ones) why I say that Scott is in the process of "remaking" the past in benefit of the present. This is not repreensible in any way, I just believe we should be able to see it as it is... cheers!

Posted Apr-25-2012 9:33 PM Quote: I'm glad to see you're not so horrifed by that two ship concept anymore Spartacus...you were very Hulk like in your anger... What bothered me about it is that that ship IMO is so Incredibly Unique that this sullies the uniqueness...never the less, it is Ridley's Piece to play with not mine and I have to accept it now! All the same I am sure he found a way to make that work...it's just that for 33+ years that Ship has been like a LOVER of mine. It is like finding out the Girl you thought was one of kind is actually a Frikkin' LOL..."REPLICANT"

The most interesting part is when he says that "Something had[b] evolved[/b] in the pilot's cargo..." "evolves" can be seen in thousands of ways, but if he means "evolving" literally, that "evolution" is possibly the final 8 minutes of prometheus with alien DNA, showing the pilot's cargo (maybe the urns) becoming the eggs (I know, this is another planet, but, since Ridley said that most of the movie is set in space, the derelict possibly crashes in LV-426 during its journey to earth)

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