Invite us to their planet then kill us?

No was not Giger ...was the one who was talking in an article called "the planet" ,,,he did talk about the "metallic" look instead of the "organic" one of alien and spilled some infos about the story ...included the fact that the SJs did help humans for many centuries

I don't know about earning their respect there Sparky.....in all honesty, it would appear to me that what this comes down to is the crew triggering an intended doomsday event by the SJs and that they manage to avert the disaster they set into motion.....Somehow I doubt that the Jockies can [b]reasoned[/b] with or impressed by us.

What if the alien/sj found/seen in alien is in fact a mutated crew member from the prometheus, thats ends up altered and fact that the solgan for this film states "that the crew must survive on a distant planet," means there is some who survive....maybe, just maybe, the crash sj ship we see is one of many, (like our space shuttles, we only have 6 but lost 2) and when its damaged, the remaining promethus crew finds another, maybe david, understands it, gets it powered and leaves, but his destiny leads into the found ship in alien...meaning he was able to land it..before he dies...... just a thought.

when I said respect what I meant was the Space Jockeys sitting around a table after this all over and B******G to eachother... "Those F*****s" they sure made that whole thing take longer than necessary"

@ allinamberedclad, My reason for thinking this is because Shaw says we never should have come. This could either mean they shouldn't have period. or once they were there they screwed up somehow and pissed the SJ's off warranting the "we should have never come here". Also, drawings from various tombs and pyramids on earth depicting the coordinates of the space jockeys were done thousands of years ago and perhaps the SJ's thought it would never be possible for the humans to break that down and figure it out let alone fly to the destination. Why have advanced security features if the SJ's want visitors. Why have the deralict space ship go back to earth if you dont want them there. IMO the only two scenarios are: 1. They dont want the humans there. 2. Humans show up, piss off SJ's, steal technology, trip security measures, fall into a trap.

@iwannaseeitnow I am with you on this one. If you don't want people to come visit then you don't leave maps telling them where you live. I also think people are too hung up on the name Prometheus and it's significance. The film may be about mankind stealing from the gods but there is no guarantee that the theft didn't happen in ancient times, ie when they visited. I doubt we (humans) will be painted as the bad guys in the movie. Personally I think it will be something else. What that is I don't know.

Guess We have to say this all again guys... [b] THERE WAS NO MAP THEY DID NOT INVITE US ANYWHERE !!![/b]

@BioShock But, Shaw having formed that opinion, if she does, has no bearing at all on the [i]intention[/i]?.. And if the Beings thought, "it would never be possible for the humans to break that down and figure it out let alone fly to the destination", then what possible reason and value would there be in them leaving the co-ordinates you speak of? What evidence is there of, "advanced security features"?!... Is this just your interpretation? I don't completely follow your reasoning. But it's interesting.

@Spartacus ?... But, there [i]are[/i] maps?

There were 5 star maps from ancient humans telling us where to find them

The other thing that it's not wise to forget is that both Scott and Lindelof seem to be totally fine with their storytelling being (and remaining) rife with ambiguities even as the final credits roll by. Blade Runner (Is Deckard a replicant or not?), LOST (WHY exactly did the statue have 4 toes?). Perhaps all the film does is pose more philosophical questions. The thing I like about Ridley's SciFi is that it's a bit more like real life than say... Roland Emmerich’s. Things can be subtle and are more 'normal' when they are messy. There's no "Yeay! The Amuhricans won!" factor required at the end. The film may end without our knowing a damn (significant) thing more about the big picture cosmology than, "Well, some of our assumptions were wrong.” The Engineer(s) may not speak. Or, conversely, David may end up knowing everything (and we may even KNOW that he knows everything), but be programmed to tell us (the audience) nothing (and be destroyed before a single bean is spilled). That doesn't mean that the film won't have its own rock-solid internal logic and be thoroughly satisfying. In fact, regardless of what the ACTUAL true backstory is, we probably are more philosophically (and more importantly emotionally) satisfied by not knowing (everything).

The other thing that it's not wise to forget is that both Scott and Lindelof seem to be totally fine with their storytelling being (and remaining) rife with ambiguities even as the final credits roll by. Blade Runner (Is Deckard a replicant or not?), LOST (WHY exactly did the statue have 4 toes?). Perhaps all the film does is pose more philosophical questions. The thing I like about Ridley's SciFi is that it's a bit more like real life than say... Roland Emmerich’s. Things can be subtle and are more 'normal' when they are messy. There's no "Yeay! The Amuhricans won!" factor required at the end. The film may end without our knowing a damn (significant) thing more about the big picture cosmology than, "Well, some of our assumptions were wrong.” The Engineer(s) may not speak. Or, conversely, David may end up knowing everything (and we may even KNOW that he knows everything), but be programmed to tell us (the audience) nothing (and be destroyed before a single bean is spilled). That doesn't mean that the film won't have its own rock-solid internal logic and be thoroughly satisfying. In fact, regardless of what the ACTUAL true backstory is, we probably are more philosophically (and more importantly emotionally) satisfied by not knowing (everything).

[quote]› Posted Apr-28-2012 11:49 AM | Moderate There were 5 star maps from ancient humans telling us where to find them[/quote] SHOW THEM TO ME. THE TRUTH IS ALL 5 STONE TABLETS DECPICT THE EXACT SAME THING A HUMAN POINTING TO SOME STARS. 'NUGH SAID!!!

OR 7... WHATEVER NUMBER IT WAS, THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL...HUMAN..POINTS TO STAR CLUSTER.

RAPACE AND HER FELLOW CO CREW MEMBERS MISS INTERPRET IT ALL AS A MAP.

Yes, done by the hand of the artists themselves. I don't think the engineers broke out the pigments and sculpting tools to put those dots there themselves. It may be something that's imprinted in the collective human subconscious, or the engineers had some kind of telepathic influence over the artists of sevearl different cultures. Whether they represent a map, an inventation, or a subconscious creative impulse remains to be seen.

Ya know what enough is enough of this, I will tell you exactly what those stone tablets from Ancient times are... A WARNING TO "STAY THE F**k AWAY !!! A WARNING...DO NOT MEDDLE" !!!

Did one of the early "leak" things say they were resource hungry? Maybe it is designed as a trap. When your civilization gets to a point where you can make it to lv223 your home world is ready for harvesting. We are cattle to them.

1: "Prometheus" has nothing to do with "E.T." or "Close Encounters." This movie is much more likely to be similar in tone to "Alien," where [i]survival[/i] is the best we can hope for, in an implacably hostile universe. 2: There is no way all those early human civiilizations could have known where the Engineers came from, [i]unless they were deliberately told[/i]. 3: The Engineers presumably had some purpose in mind, when they meddled with the course of evolution on Earth. Given point 1, it's natural to expect that purpose was, and is not, benign. 4: What we've become, ( a technological, spacefaring race ) is presumably, [i]a direct, entirely predictable result of their meddling.[/i] 5: It doesn't make any sense that the Engineers would uh, [i]engineer[/i] us, simply to wipe us out. Therefore, they could hardly be taken by surprise when we come calling. On the contrary, we must be[i] expected[/i]. 6: The SJ ship isn't taking off, to wipe us out, but to carry out part of a very long-term plan......which for us, probably means something far worse than death.

My bad, there are 7 not 5. Seven ancient cultures who had no contact with each other, according to the trailer. mesopotamia, mayan,france cave paintings etc All 7 maps point to the parent start of lv223 which is why the mission gets funded. They are going to that star because of the map. Also Shaw thinks the map are an invitation as quoted in the trailer http://db.tt/S0AZvdpQ

YES SHANE AND THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO "THE COMPANY" BEING IN THIS GREAT STRUGGLE WITH MRS. YUTANI AND THE YUATNI CORP FOR EITHER ACQUISTION AND CONTINUED GROWTH, OR BEING SWALLOWED UP BY THE OTHER.

no worries"LV" ya know i luv ya

I dissagree completely and think the company is an Evil Lying Bastard just like the Space Jockey Race is and deliberately attempting to get more expendables into space so they can have their weapon as Ripley said.

@sparticus Why would a civizilizaton that couldn't even cross the alantic create a star map for a location to avoid that is tens of light years away? With a million stars in the sky pointing out the ONE to avoid is daft, imaging 7 civilisations doing the same thing is unbelievable at best. It would be like buying a satnav that is pre programmed with only one destination and that destination is a location that you should avoid. Or printing a book with websites not to visit It's a no go for me

I also say they have either completely misinterpreted those tablets or done it deliberately !!!

I don't think the 7 ancient references to the star system Prometheus ventures to are a warning to stay away, because the best way to ensure we never go there is to not inform us of its location - prevention is better than cure. I think it is an invitation, just not one with good intentions.

Apparently, either we would never have reached the point where spacefaring became practicable, or we reached that point much more quickly than we would have otherwise, [i]had not the Engineers intervened in our development.[/i] How could they then be shocked and surprised when we [i]inevitably[/i] show up on their doorstep? .........and who's to say we're the only race with which they've interfered?

The artists didn't even know what they were doing. But they were compelled or possessed to put down that image, by internal or external forces.

Oh Spartacus....."Ya know what enough is enough of this, I will tell you exactly what those stone tablets from Ancient times are...A WARNING TO "STAY THE F**k AWAY !!! A WARNING...DO NOT MEDDLE" !!!" While I agree with you that the tablets and such are NOT maps, I do have to say that I can't believe it's a warning to stay away...with the enitre vastness of space, there is NO point in showing humanity a star configuration AS a warning when they could have just never shown it to people at all...We never would have found that world in all likelyhood from a Jockey perspective....so why show it to us to simply warn us?...doesn't make sense. I think it's as simple as, and I'm speaking in the person of a Jockey's pov, You human beings worship us and THIS IS WHERE WE COME FROM........(much in the same way Greek gods told man they live on Mt. Olympus). It's as simple as that.....It's not an invitation to come and visit as Shaw and Holloway assume, because I don't think the Jockies expected humans to advance to that point. It's simply the knowledge of where they hail from.....

BY the way just so I am clear about how out of left field I know even my own theories can be/ are.... according to US, that is ALL OF US, YOU ME, AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO WENT TO SEE ALIEN WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT ACCORDING TO THE STORY AND THE WORD "CANON" AS WE KNOW IT... "The Jockey Possesses an air both elegiac and hopeful-the universe might yet offer nonlethal Alien Contact, and quite why he was and IS considered benign is hard to pinpoint, yet EVERYONE WHO SAW HIM mourned his passing-a lost soul staring through his telescope at the unreachable heavens forevermore." LORDY LORDY HOW I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT VERY NOTION TODAY !!! AND THAT'S FROM THE ALIEN VAULT !!!

Spartacus for president!!!

"LORDY LORDY HOW I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT VERY NOTION TODAY !!!" Totally agree there Sparky

Benignity, as with all things from the minute to the epic, is a matter of perspective.

@allinamberclad By advanced security measures i mean the lifeforms able to inhabit us and the pod inhabiting lifeforms. Its plausible to assume they are a security measure for the temple/ship. if we all agreed on the same plot we would have no discussion. I really like how everyone has an original idea of how this all comes together. Makes it interesting. We wont know who is right til June 8 and perhaps we still wont know from this movie judging by Ridleys creativeness.

@artyoh Are you sure you weren't the script supervisor on the production? ;•) I’m totally on board for all of this except possibly in #6 the part about ‘something far worse than death.’ I'll say again that everything about what the Prometheus crew encounters reeks of [u]desperation[/u] to me. The Juggernaut ([i]le croissant des étoiles[/i]) may be departing for Earth for reasons very different from why the Engineers originally visited Earth and ‘tampered’ with us to start with. It does seem that the ‘we are cattle’ theory is holding up nicely as the weeks progress, however. If the pilot of the craft is able to show up on Earth as a god (Quetzalcoatl, Krishna (or Kali (even better)), Annunaki, The running-quite-behind-schedule Jewish Messiah, Jesus, [i]et al[/i]), he might enjoy hanging out in a Penthouse suite at the Encore and being waited upon by the staff at the Park Hyatt Vendôme. Or, maybe he'd just bioreëngineer us into some of his long lost friends—perhaps starting with the 3 who got their chests congested at some point on his ship before the humans conveniently showed up.

@cragamore We [i]know[/i] the result of their meddling: a technological civilization capable of spacefaring. If they never wanted us to get off this rock, they presumably could have made sure of that quite easily. If they never intended for us to drop by, they clearly screwed up by showing everyone they met, precisely where to find them. Either the Engineers are generally incompetent, or they knew we'd ultimately show up.

[quote]Posted Apr-28-2012 12:39 PM | Moderate Benignity, as with all things from the minute to the epic, is a matter of perspective.[/quote] so eloquently spoken, Thank you for that Snorky, it helps to keep things in perspective.

@craigamore I can live with your description, that sounds plausible. @Biehn_Bandit I don't dig the its a trap idea. The stone tablets range between 4000 - 10000 years old. If you want humans for some purpose then doing it when we are defenseless is the perfect time to do it. If they could travel between the stars 10 thousand years ago then I'm sure they have better technology than HD TVs and internet porn so I don't think they'll be interested in letting us evolve to the point where they want to steal our technology. I think they came in peace to each of the 7 civilizations to help them evolve. I hate to mention the Atlantis word but seeing as RS referred to it in an interview... Perhaps they visited Atlantis and someone stole something from them, they got annoyed and wiped out Atlantis and haven't visited us since. As as a result, human civilization became civilized and we began to advance our technology. because of that they are not pleased when we turn up. Don't shoot me, I don't want to see any mention of Atlantis in the movie either but RS referred to it in an interview.

@artyoh...this is pure speculation....."We know the result of their meddling: a technological civilization capable of spacefaring". We don't [i]know[/i] ANYTHING for sure....the point of an alien race 'meddling' in our affairs is for the Jockies and Ridley to know at this point.......You;re making an assumption with no evidenciary support. Sure, I gave my opinion, but I don't KNOW.....no one does..NO ONE.....

what a great thread...