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Is Weyland/Weyland-Utani an anology to the Bio-Engineers/SJ's?

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MemberOvomorphMay 11, 20121460 Views21 Replies
Do the Space Jockies/Bio-Engineers serve as a kind of metaphor for Weyland/Weyland-Utani Corp's future destiny in space? Are we seeing Weyland/Weyland-Utani's first dabblings with becoming 'wanna-be Demi-Gods themselves, as the Sj's/Bio-Engineers did'? Were the Space Jockies once a corporational species/race as we are currently? With the urge of seeking out newly 'found' discoveries in engineering, bio-mechanichs, technology and sapce exploration as a whole? It raises the question if they were a societal 'people', then at what point did they cross-the threshold form a 'corporation race' as is 'Us' (Weyland/ Weyland-Utani) and set themselves upon the path of becoming for want of a better word: Demi-Gods? A term that is given to ancient man when he/she/they/us made the move from the savanah-plains and hunter-gatherer clans in caves and tribes to villages and taverns to towns folk. From towns-folk to cities and from cities to empires, civilizations and cross-continental supremacies. Archeologists have stated that such a progress from any civilizations beginings be it humble to conquering one quater of the planet is called: 'Crossing The Great Divide'. It is interesting to think that the way in which Weyland/Weyland-Utani Corp conducts itself is very reminicent of what the SJ's went about their business and so we are seeng how along the way 'they' (SJ's) as us are having our emotions and integrity stripped away the more delving is done int the meddling of inter-species technology and experimentations. The Bio-Engineers/Sj's 'fall from grace' is a warning to what awaits Weyland/ Weyland-Utani's place in the cosnos. Much like Easter Island is a warning from human histroy and its impact upon nature as much as it is an eviromental warning upon the mis-use, mis-appropriation and squandering of limited resources. Please feel free to comment upon my thread out there. Thank you.
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beyondthebloodplain
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"While @DOLFINESQUE and @Windood traded opinions on fan club membership, and language syntax, the Engineer caught them in his butterfly net and popped them into his sample bag." I think the big theme here is that the illusions we hold about ourselves and our place in the universe are not held by others. As masters of our domain, we are no longer reminded of this as frequently as we once were. Any takers?
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My take is this: Humans are the undisputed, dominant species on our planet. We treat lesser beings as pets, feedstock, experimental subjects, and sport (killing for pleasure). Despite this, we feel pretty good about ourselves. Journeying into space, we meet another "advanced civilization". They are also as above in their domain. Upon meeting them, we come to discover that they don't see us any differently than we see a chimpanzee, or a squid, or a rabbit. Our general inability to see ourselves as we are sets us up for a dramatic "revision of belief" when we rediscover what it means to be "top of the food chain"...
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I think the terms of the discussion are wider than Corporational: that it's irrelevant whether the Higher Beings were Corporational, or not, and that all related issues of parallel between them and us are simply instruments to serve the wide discussion, which is about Species. How Species may inevitably Rise, how they may inevitably Fall, how the reasons may be the same, Universally - and how that lesson might be of significant interest for us.
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Do we know anthing at all about the Sj's, their civilisation, or how the went/go about their business. Nope.
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I think it might have more to say about the limitations of letting nature lead evolution, i.e. the theor of random mutations giving rise to a being that thrives ahead of the non-mutated population of his species, eventually he/she and their mutation becoming the norm. We may have blinkers on when it comes to evolution, future evolutions may not be biological, or technological, but some other abstract method we don't know about yet. We're already at the point where most people won't go anywhere without a smart phone.....it won't be long before we can turn off genes that activate cancers and diseases.......but no one knows what mankind will have access to in 500 years time, in much the same way as no one in the 16th century foresaw what we have now.
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I would leave a descent comment but i only leave comments on passionate fans topics. Its Weyland-Yutani not utani, the fasct you did not realise that makes me question your true passion for the franchise.
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You made a wee typo too Dolf, "fasct". The original poster may never have read the word Yutani, just heard it in Aliens?
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This is very interesting... Please continue in bringing responses to this thread as I do like raising posts and questions about 'grand themes'. I just like to ponder such scope of topic. I look forward to your replies. Thank you again.
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Isaid a while back that if you want to create a new mythology, the most interesting way to do it was to make it all about Weyland and how powerful a man or a corp could become with the ability to create new species, seed planets....its an analogy of how far we are progressing today and perhaps a warning of how far is too far I like this analogy, i dont think its boring, I like its complexity - you could take it in so many directions
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after individual, tribe, nation, comes corporation, then species. Though corporation and maybe religion have potential to cross over to different species, hypothetically. But if there is much to say in this about corporations i'd be suprised, as it would bore the pants of most of the audience (but not me). i think the general public prefer to think of a corporation could have an evil mr burns figure at its head, but not be endemically evil itself. which is of course, wrong.
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Yes indeed! You could! It also male me wonder, could the lone Space Jickey fossilized inside the 'Derilict' be the #Space Jockey' equivalent of Peter Weyland only of its own race? When it came down to it 'he'/'she'/'it' was perhaps its sole representative and the 'last of its kind' perhaps in the universe! The fact that it ended up in such a 'compromising situation/position/predicament' - perhaps of its own making - is indicative of its behavioral thinking/approach to life/ethics and all the rest.
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You only have to look at the news to see we aren't masters of our domain just yet. The weather can quite easily take most of us out.
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ha! Space JICKEY!!! Space JICKEY!!! ha! ha! sorry!! SPACE JOCKEY!!! lots of LOL!!!!
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All good sci fi, for me, is about what mankind can inflict on itself. Its why i enjoyed Battlestar Galactica reboot, Blade Runner etc. Dont get me wrong, Star Wars and Star Trek are great popcorn fodder, but I like cerebral fare. Its your difference between Alien and AvP, Ridley knows his audience dont want to be treated dumb
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You are right there Windood, absoluelty! That ole' mother nature can be a real f!@*in twisted or should I say twistor B!@ch!! lol! only kidding out there ladies..... o.k. :-)
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@Windood You must live in Hurricane Alley! In defense of my claim, I'll hide behind the observation that the human population on earth is still growing, while the populations of all other higher order species are declining. I'll come back and edit my post if Mother Nature tries to take me out (in my neck of the woods with a lightning strike, most likely at this time of year)...
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star wars and star trek have their higher brow side, it's a shame it wasn't more prominent, but i think the more prominent that becomes, the worse a movie performs at the box office. I'd love it if prometheus turned that on it's head. It's about time something did.
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I sense that Earth will be like a Blade Runner industrialization world as is the case also in Avatar and from that level of future sophistication we as human thus begin the fully-fledged 'entry' into deep-space exploration - I'm talking en mass! Agressive research and pioneering, radical technologies to get us 'there' . It is often hinted at in Blade Runner that this sort of universe exists but we see 'it' or 'it' is infeered by what we 'see' in the Alien films and now Prometheus about space venturing. It would be a natural proressive step or, put another way, universal leap into the depths of space with the level of technology we see 'on display' in Blade Runner.
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One of the reasons that endeavors require a corporate structure is because the associative costs of biotech, armstech, manufacturing, and exploration require enormous funding that individuals cannot undertake without the contributions of throusands of fabricators, theorists, and technicians. If you evolve the ability to take concepts into the fabrication process utilizing biomechanical means you remove the need for a corporate structure. Once you have machines that build the machines that make the machines, you gain an independence upon the contributions from other members of your society. I have always been under the impression that the SJ's race had evolved to the point where they could comamnd a ship to grow to certain specifications just by directing the fabricators (nanites) Just looking at the original ship in Alien, it didn't appear that this race was concerned about mass, crew accomodations, or anything remotely approaching our standards of construction. This alienating effect enhanced the notion that the crew of the Nostromo was dealing with a species who's basic notion of design and function was vastly different than our own. As for Weyland Corp evolving into a quasi-demi god state, until they no longer require the input of those millions of employee's, and maintaining the facade of following existing government regulations whatever they may be, they are just a giant suit existing to please the shareholders and make their numbers. Even in the dialogue of the films and associated media they expressed the concerns about how invaluable Xenomorphic technology was to the Bioweapons division. Power, corruption, and lies.....
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@beyondthebloodplain lol, no its fairly mild where I live, but i saw on the news what katrina did to new orleans, what droughts do in much of the world, and a couple of earthquakes and tsunamis did more damage than any "evil-doers" could. yes the population is still growing, which only magnifies problems of limited resources and creates inflation. Which I guess is what drove the fictional weyland industries to want to terraform and create offworld colonies. Governments and nations can take on projects beyond the scope of corporations. Which corporation would have spent to go to the moon (with it not providing much in the way of return on investment)? As no corporation has been backto the moon, it's fair to say none. There was a physicist once who said the problem with human thought was the unintended consequences of it. We want "x" but also get "y" along with it, and we never see the "y", or ignore those who warn us of it. Which reminds me of a story I heard (not sure how much truth there is in it), of Chinas richest woman, she made a fortune taking back all the packaging that needed recycling (packaging from the manufactured goods china exports to the world), and got it sent back to china cheap in the empty containers. Apparently made a fortune. So I think for any corporation to ever get involved in anything like space exploration etc they'd either need massive financial incentives (which no government can afford at the moment), or a humungous vanity project, in a company that didn't need shareholders and pension fund managers. Or lottery rollover winners to band together haha

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