The Prometheus ship ITSELF IS the Eagle that metaphorically pecks the liver of t

Is it not equally fair to offer the point that you, as well as I, do not know what exact plot-turns and twists Ridley Scott has in store and deliberately put into place to wrong-foot us. It is not witten in, for want of a better term: 'Gods Gospel Stone' that the likely scenario of how the Prometheus myth is loosly designed to play out as isn't indicative that that is indeed HOW the subject matter soon-to-be-on-offer is ACTUALLY - down to the letter - going to play out as when we all finally come to see it... yes...

Yes, Tears. Very Good by the way coining the phrase: "Prometheus the (Eagle) has Landed!" Well done to you for that! You are most probably right Tears. My observation is that this is not merely a piece of film, you have got to think of it as a piece of art, with hidden layers of metaphor and inuendo. A moving piece of art even with possible, I stress: "POSSIBLE" hidden easter-Alien-egg type suprises and nods, references to other things concepts and mythos tangents. I mean come on people WHAT IS GIGER AND HIS WORK IF IT IS NOT INTERLACED WITH SIMMERING SEXUAL UNDER AND ESPECIALLY OVER-TONES!!!? The guy's entire work base is litterally filled to the BRIM with suggestive and equally subverise meaning, metaphor and inplied inuendo... Evidence for which, you need only browse the Necromicon and watch Alien over, and over and over and over again...!

Very true - that is why many of us believe that "Homer" Simpson is lurking somewhere in the depths of the temple and will make a brief appearance in Ridley Scott's movie.

You seem to be defaulting to 'type' Enceladus... However... you may have sincerley been just joking... attempting to diffuse 'hypotheical-intellectual tensions' ! I'd like to think, know and hope that it is the latter...

I certainly see the references to an eagle as an added layer of depth, yet doubt it is center theme to the plot. Great post Eat'n. It may chalk up to subliminal manifest same as the band Pink Floyd wasn't necessarily thinking of Wizard of Oz when wrote Dark side of the moon; although, layers of sublimnal synchronicities manifest upon them. Gives some purpose to the contrite hammy line, "Prometheus (Eagle) has landed."

To be fair, most modern aircraft (and quite a few spacecraft in science fiction) also bear a resemblance to the overall shape of a bird. An outstanding example is the SST (the Concorde jet); the nose of that thing looks like a bird's head [i]and[/i] beak to boot. The stealth bomber/fighter and other "flying wing"-type aircraft are examples of exceptions to the rule; they sacrifice some stability for increased lift and less aerodynamic drag. I personally think the important part of the Prometheus myth - as far as it concerns this movie - is that we're dealing with "the Gods," so to speak, and their secrets, and our human friends (perhaps thanks to Mr. Weyland) are going to do something that really, really pisses them off.

I don't have time to read all this stuff. But clearly this thread illustrates what makes this (and all the other Promethei forums) so great. It is not possible to over-analyse and obsess over great Sci Fi. It's what great Sci Fi's made for.

Its an interesting idea of sorts, I don't see it myself but you never know

My comments on the Prometheus myth are from the writer's own mouth. The Parents god figures are afraid of children displacing them. The parents kill the children if they get a leg up on the parent. It is a similar myth to Jupiter eating his children to prevent them from overthrowing him.

Something about being forever tied to a rock...

@Id Rather Be Eatin... It's ok to put your ideas out there and have them rise or fall on their merits, but they just don't match up with the myth or the films fairly obvious plot. So the ship looks like a bird? All airplanes look like birds, corvettes look phallic and the President of the USA tries to convince us daily that he's not just a petty politician... this is revelational? This is deep intellectual discourse? Are you in Elementary school?

If David ends up in the 'Navigation' room aboard The Juggernaught then could it be that he is in some ways playing-off both sides and is what causes the crew or a sole crew member of the Prometheus to pursue it on a collision course..? Perhaps Janek himself is Prometheus as the Prometheus ship is 'his' as the captains perogative goes? Or Vickers in a simple twist of fate? Making the Prometheus' myth that has always been historically a man now a woman? And so then it beggars the question of who is the Super-sized Bio-Enginner... Peter Weyland? Someone else? All I know is that there are many elements of iconography that are going to be coming to us constantly throughout this film, whether we 'get it at first' or not. And I'm betting it will be served up to us on a platter by Ridley Scott much like he did with Blade Runner in toying with the idea that could you tell for certain in a future world who was really and TRUEY human? Well by that same order of analogy and reasoning, could you see whom ultimately, if anyone, is going to end-up as the sole representative of the Prometheus myth...? There are so many set ups that the mythos Ridley Scott is playing with can spider-web off on so many tangents that it is really ANYONES GUESS at this point. It could even be the Cobra-eel-Heads, for-all-we-know, that some how get aboard the Prometheus ship while all are dead upon it before it crashes into the back of The Juggernaught. Not that they may be flying the Prometheus into the back or side or front of The Juggernaught at the time just that there was maybe no body left alive upon her prior to the ship ramming into the back of the Alien one, so in that regard and manner, by definition, the aliens as stow aways aboard the Prometheus ARE the eventual Prometheus myth incarnate. O.k. thats maybe stretching credibility upon that notion and I am prepared to conceed upon that point as I would want the suprise plot delivery to WOW me as well as you guys out there too! It just goes to show that Ridley Scott can manipulate the myth into a bunch of wrong turns for us and about-faces, suprise reversal-of-fortunes for those in question and so on. He's been know for doing that before...

Enjoy yourself...see ya at the movies:O)

Dave_b... I totally agree with you. It's nice that the ship looks like an eagle... but the idea in this thread is on par with that of an imaginitive 5 year old. Sorry... Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else, but when the movie comes out (very soon) you will find that "you were wrong. you were SO wrong". The bread crumbs are there. The humans clearly are the ones who are going to stir up trouble, and the "alien" that bursts through us is like the bird that pecks out Prometheus' liver. There is also a side story running parallel to the humans vs space jockeys and engineers, and that will be of David and his relationship with the humans. There is plenty enough here. Sometimes a spaceship is just a spaceship.

Well Hollow Way the proverbial alien egg-will-be-upon your face as and when the Prometheus DVD comes out in time with the Bonus Disc and 'Making of' featurettes and all the rest of it and you be sure to watch as I am reasonably confindet LITTLE MAN that featuring in and around somewhere in the annals of the designers portfolio of inspiration for the films 'Visuals' my hypothosis and instinctive reasoning will be proved correct after all! And WHEN IT IS Hollow Way, be sure to remeber: "You Heard It Here First!" O.k.... Kindest Regards.

When the movie is released and the DVD is released I will not be hearing from you, because you well feel embarrassed. LOL

Sometimes as spaceship is just a spaceship.

Embarrasment never enters into the equation for those whom are resonably confident with their thought process and line of thinking... as I stated upon this thread earlier: 'People who mock are themselves the mocked'... that is why they do it. This means you Hollow Man, I'm sorry Hollow Way... I do beg your pardon...

You sound as if you are just repeating what others have said upon here before and have no real thought processes of your own. Hollow Man is in fact very fitting after all!

By that reasoning you may as well just concede then that a film is just a film! Of COURSE IT ISN'T!

You don't know me, or this film. You speak about this film like some kind of expert... and you haven't even seen it yet. You haven't seen the film once, let alone multiple times to have a clear understanding of it. Yet here you are telling us all how the ship Prometheus is supposed to represent the bird that pecks out Prometheus' liver like as if this is a fact. It is not at this time a fact. It is not a metaphor for the eagle. You drew an eagle outline around the ship yourself.The eagle is more likely a representative of the aliens the humans will come in contact with, than the spaceship.

We shall see... Try and have a good day any way Hollow Way, alright...

In any case, how in this world do you not know that perhaps I DIDN'T work on the film? Please tell me Hollow Way? How do you not know that? You don't know that I DIDN'T either! Do you!! Use your deductive reasoning...

Because if you worked on the film and then joined a website and gave away details before the release of the film, and got caught for doing it, you would be fired and never work with Ridley Scott again. And if you did that... you would be a fool. How is that for deductive reasoning? Any more "brain busters" for me Einstein?

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else... don't take any of this personally... I'm actually having fun with this right now. I apologize for comparing the idea to a 5 year old. That wasn't nice. I just sometimes get really frustrated with "fan fiction". I'm sure you yourself get frustrated when people have crazy ideas... but act like it is fact. No one can say that BEFORE seeing this film, and even then... somethings only Ridley Scott and his writers will know for sure. Right? Your argument against me obviously is how do I know the aliens will represent the eagle? Well I don't know for a fact. No one does at this point. No of us have seen it yet. I'm just saying you also don't know that the ship represents the eagle... and I'm telling you... it is a STRETCH. I really think it is more likely that eagle will represnt the aliens. I do agree with you on something though. Symbolism will play out in this movie. The Prometheus story will no doubt relate to the film. My prediction though is that a spaceship is a spaceship. We will soon see who is "wrong. who is SO wrong." But again this is all in good fun. Who knows maybe on other threads you and I will be on the same side... we just aren't on this thread. lol

You seem to have instigated this tit-for-tat intellectual ping-pong match between us both. It appears to me that in some way shape or form, you perhaps. o.k. PERHAPS feel somewhat threatened by my scenario/hypothosis otherwise, why take deliberate and knowing steps to try and go out of your way to poo poo it constanly? Its as if you are projecting onto me YOUR own set of insecurities and unwillingness to accept what amounts to be near-enough blatantly staring you in the face and you don't even know it yet! Or see it, or even WANT to see it for that matter!... Shame...

O.k. Hollow Way, as you came back with a fair and balanced retort I will conceed in part to your reasoning here and about the general themes of which we are both I would dare to say: "analyzing" at this point... yes... : -)

Yes of course Hollow, and I do equally apologies for my, shall we say: CURT rebuff of your responses to myself. I will say this to all who read the threads I post, in particular this one. I've asked the question: "Could the Prometheus, COULD the Prometheus in fact be a visual metephor for the Eagle myth itself?" I then went on to give evidence, suggestive evidence it could be argued or debated upon, but a visual hypothosis to back up my reasoning. I then went on to make a case for my presentation and left it open for scrutiny and debate. But as often happens upon these matters, two sides or more become 'entrenched' within their own subjective reasonings until each side begins to 'get personal' with the other doing the reasoning and the other doing the doubting/de-bunking/rubbishing until the ACTUAL point of the original 'discussion' which then became an 'animated disagreement' then escalated into an all-out intellectual trench-warfare the point gets lost and two sides have thus become enemies, sniping at each other for no real good reason, you know... Its so unnecessary...

But good-on-you Hollow Way for getting back and redressing the balance... Good man (if you are) and well done to you for that!

Yes I am a 30 something male. Got that people? lol That's why when people start talking about things like Transformers, G.I Joe, and TMNT, I'm right there with them. :) I also have read the Bible (still do) and ironically learned how deceptive religion can be from the Bible itself (example: Christ's enemies were the religious leaders)... but I fully believe in God. One God as the Bible states. You believe it, or you don't. Which is why I find the idea of this Prometheus movie so fascinating! I really do. I expect it will be my fave movie of the year... but yes in my own words... I haven't seen it yet... so that remains to be seen. I love that it tackles the big themes... and the arrogance of man as one of them. I love it!

In addition to that... I love smart horror films. As we all know... MOST horror films lack intelllignece... so the smart thrillers/horrors are just true gems. Alien is one such gem. A Sci-Fi horror of the highest calibur. Is it the best sci-fi horror ever? Well if you said it was, I would not argue with you. I really think this new hammerpede creature is horrific... I'm glad to be watching it safely from a movie theater when I see it. And there is more than just that. So I'm just really happy about this film. Last year we were teased that The Thing (prequel/remake) would be amazing... but it fell short... I suspect Prometheus will be the real deal!

Yes, and as Sci_intelligent films go The Thing (original) is a very good film as is Predator and Aliens. Alien of course but you already mentioned that, I do love the gigantic themes both 2001: A Space Odyssey and 2010: The Year We Make Contact have to offer and would very much like if not LOVE to see the next two book instalments 2061: Odyssey Three and 3001: The Final Odyssey realised upon film as I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the ideas and concepts behind those themes raised about life evolving upon the tiny sister world of Europa and Earth system now having a second Sol star: Sol 2 as a sister star to our own now designated Sol 1 (the Sun). We are now a binary star system and since you touch upon religion explored within that of film it is interesting to me that the giant themes of God, religion, Angels and powers of a Higher Being are all addressed and attempted to be answered yet in a very scientific sort of portrayle. As is indeed the case for Contact, another facinating film about the collisions and rebounds of religion and science played out upon our piblic conciousness when we recieve an alien signal from the depths of space. Independence Day was brilliant in its first twenty to twenty five minutes in to it dealing with the actual threat of a suprise alien invasion from outer/inner space. I say inner because how do we not know that they did not just come out of hyperspeed/inter-Dimensional Star Gate of sorts just prior to our detecting them? The Day the Earth Stood Still (remake) was good too as was Star Trek: First Contact and Star Wars films. I like most things you know.. What about yourself with regards to what I have added to your last comment! ?

I have to say, I agree with people who say that everyones favourite acid blooded baddie is the Eagle(pecking out our liver or bursting out of our liver?), humans are Prometheus(ie discovering things we shouldn't have and advancing too far, too fast) and SJ is the God who punishes us(by genetically creating said acid beastie out of some of the crew in the new film). I think the planet the film is set on is LV426, as it looks like they deliberately crash Prometheus into SJ's ship, thus stopping him taking his'cargo' to earth to punish the rest of us. It just looks like the weather has got a bit nastier when Nostromo sets down 30 years later. I think the skinny looking 'eggs' in the film are modified by SJ once he has the recipe for nasty critter perfected and they are the cargo that poor old Kane finds in Alien. How SJ gets infected? Dunno. But is the Space Jockey the android modified or taken over??? We all know they can be... 'a bit twitchy" What do you think? Can't wait. This will be the first film i'll visit the cinema for for a very long time...

Yes indeed! For many of us!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else... yes I agree with your last comment... we only differ with the eagle spaceship stuff lol. I agree the original Thing is a smart Sci-Fi horror... and it wasn't until I watched the making of the movie with John Carpenter comments that I realized how thoughtful it truly was, and how he didn't make things obvious in it so you pick up new details with multiple viewings. That is great film making! Predator & Aliens are fantastic. Funny that a bit of backlash happened against Aliens after fans saw the scene in Alien of what happened to Dallas & Brett. We realized then that as great as Aliens is... the "hive" scene would have been different in the hands of Ridley Scott... and we probably would have been more interested in that one! Humans actually becoming eggs? WOAH!!! crivvens... yes I'm in agrreance with you about the eagle more represnting the aliens. We shall see. Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else... here is more powers of deductions from me... I believe that crivvens is not American. Why? Because of how the word "favorite" was spelled (favourite). So am I right crivvens? Where are you from? Or is it a spelling error? lol It's all good. I'm American born, but my family is from Ireland, or Canada. So I pick up on different spelling of words.

Don't swetat it Hollow Way, I'm both English and American and Native American in part AND French! Phew!!! Like Elvis: "I'm all mixed up" Ah-huh! Ah' Thank ya' very much! heh! heh! he! lol!

Yeah, i'm a Brit. From about 5 miles where Sir Ridley is from. Loving the forum guys.

I'd very much like to met him. I bet he and his design, production team are a facinating bunch to be around. Would LOVE that!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else... looks like this thread has reached it's end. See you on other threads. I'm about to post my first thread... It is about CHANCE!