The Derilict has wreckage strewn about the foot of the exterior of the 'crash /

I don’t believe that Giger or Scott intended that those landscape features to be understood as ship wreckage. Rather, it’s supposed to be part of the biomechanical landscape of the planetoid…reflecting Giger’s style of artwork. ~N

so your saying its tubing?

I noticed this on other pictures, seems the Juggernaut somehow is connected to the plantoid. I will look for those pictures, but good post man.

Alright don't be so literal to quoet me directlyJdax but look at it... The use of the name "Tubing" is as good a choice of name to talk about it the any other. Don't split hairs! You know what I mean and what I am trying to convey over for inquiry! It seems as though you are being pedantic, common, I'm just making an even keeled observation.

Look at some of the designs along the "seams" of The Derilict and the n refer to the "TUBING" for want of a better word that I pointed out and you will see there is a direct correlation to their pattern and design.

I agree with Neurion...it's part of Giger's biomechanical style of the landscape..not part of the ship..

The landscape is essentially one big lump of rock in space - "Primordial" as Ash described it and the ship is just that "A" ship! So if it was forced to land or crash landed rolled a bit then stopped in its horixzontal position as it is seen in Allien, rthen by that rule of logic, some pieces would have probbably fallen off and got strew about the place. We never see the "front"the craft when they enter it in Alien, perhaps there is srtewn wreckage there too.

@Neurion is, without doubt, correct. To, otherwise, see, "wreckage", is probably only to re-interpret history in order to force it to fit a present-day conclusion.

In your "under-expert" opinion he is Allinamberclad, as per-usual to your "contributions".

You should be aware that, "Under-expert", is actually meaningless in several important capacities? Furthermore, you should note that, notwithstanding - and, "as per usual" - my, "contribution", is based largely upon rational observation and my, (naturally, limited - but nevertheless [i]actual[/i]), knowledge - as opposed to fantasy and invalid supposition.

DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF MY THREADS ALLINAMBERCLAD, AS I EQUALLY SHOULD NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF YOURS. I THINK IT IS BEST!

In any case Redleader thank you kindly for your polite comments, Much ablidged to you! Thanks! :- )

At best, Prometheus would be retconning Alien. We're not even certain it's the same ship and even if it were, would you expect them to have to shoehorn every event into what we see in Alien? Even so far as to include a detail like what may or may not be wreckage in Alien? Point being, there wouldn't be any point for them to make a set of a huge crash site back in '77, so why bother?

That could be concieved as a fair, balanced and valid point Xenotron...

Go check out the documentary on the DVD of [i]Alien[/i] (you can see it sections on Youtube if you search "[The making of ALIEN]" (type it in like that). Go to the section called "Nostromo and Alien planet." There's a part where Giger talks about what he was trying to do with the design of the surface of the planet. He wanted the [i]whole surface[/i] to be biomechanical - pipes, tubes, etc. But they didn't have the resources to do it right. To quote Giger: [b]"They had not (the) money to do it like I designed it. The whole thing looks sort of art nouveau. It was not organic like - it looked like handmade, from artists... the scale was wrong, it was too big...we couldn't find tubes and things of this size, so that didnt' work very well... I want to have landscape which is very much organic-like, and I would like to have old motors from motorcycle or things like that, big things to make a wonderful landscape, but there was no time and no money for this - a real mixed-up, a real biomechanical landscape."[/b]

Yeah, a lot of people forget that these things are often just barely at budget–if not over budget–and are often pressed for time. They don't have enough time or money to nitpick and scrutinize every single shot. Especially not when the guy with the money is hovering over them.

True, Xenetron! Very true! Poor Ridley! Just think... he had to actually go through that too! heh! lol! :- ) Many kind regards to you any way for contributuing towards my thread, ( IRBESE )

Neurion wrote...[quote]I don’t believe that Giger or Scott intended that those landscape features to be understood as ship wreckage. Rather, it’s supposed to be part of the biomechanical landscape of the planetoid…reflecting Giger’s style of artwork. ~N.[/quote] Well said, I agree man !

Ya the ship could be fractally expanding into and underneath the planets surface ? It isn't enough debris to express a crashed ship, very unusual.

@Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else ?... Now, is there, [i]really[/i], any need for such apparently bizarre outbursts? As I intend comment upon whatever I please - and as you don't get to decide if, when and how that takes place - what [i]I[/i] think, is best, is that you, somehow, come to some reasonable way to accommodate the fact. I urge you to calm yourself.

Right!

Consider myself calm... alright. It's just best if we avoid interacting. It is definately for the best, we have nothing of value to offer one-another. I felt I have tried to be amicable in the past but to no avail. You are a pushy-cyber-bully-some individual and I have been on the first hand reciveing end of your rather derisive and altogether unnecessary social conduct upon the site. You and many others whom think it is accptable to gang-up on people without thought for the fall-out of what your uncalled for and unnecessary mocking of others does. I would say: mind your manners! If we happen to find ourselves both upon a similar thread of someone elses then it is wise that we just not offer any response to the others comments or indeed our own threads. This, I feel in the intrest of the site and the community as a whole, we both quietly and ammicably make a concerted effort to co-operate by not interacting at all with one another, alright. We each maintain our own perspective positiuons and we therefore do not have to keep airing our obvious dissatisfaction towards one-another in "public" as it were. If you adhere to this enterprise, you as well as site Administration, my have assurance that I will co-operate and "walk away" - provided you are prepared to accept and do the same.

@Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else; It is a Biomechanical landscape. Giger mentions it in a documentary. I will post links to it if I can find them. It is simply an artists eye to detail. No one is attacking you btw, people here are just responding to your post in the way the respond to everyones. I just got told I was wrong about Dan O'Bannon on a thread, it happens to the best of us. :)

Yes, thats true it just came through here where I was checking out something. Regards to you for informing me of the O'Bannon query, that was nice of you. With regards to the former "moment" regarding myself and "another" well I believe I have redressed the balance and an amicable compromise, I am comfident, will be amicably struck as a result. Thank you again to you. Regards, ( IRBESE )

@Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else Hm....before you continue with this, your entertainingly fantastic defamation, to do with cyber-bullies and whose manners should be minded and whatnot, perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the nature and context of [i]your[/i] prima facie comment? Oh dear.

If you don't hug and start kissing right now, I'll ban you both!!! U aren't supposed to post offensive and overly objectionable stuff, and I'm starting to object to this bickering. Get it all out in this thread cause i don't want to see this continued anywhere else...You should both be able to respond (and or read) whatever you want to, or don't want to. that means just don't read someone you want to ignore. Or if you do, decide not to let it bother you.

Alright... Shawluv.D. I here you. Regards to you, ( IRBESE )

@Svayana: Scroll up about ten posts on this page, I posted a quote from Giger about the biomechanical landscape (probably from the same documentary you were thinking about).